Current Herndon HS parents

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why Herndon Middle School enrollment dropped from 1,146 in 2022 to 957 in 2024? Wondering if there was a program that opened up or potentially some other shift that occurred.

Not sure but there was a big jump in the cohort that are now freshman and sophomores. Like a mini baby boom.

Forgot to say that our ES principals noted the jump for that cohort. And this group tended to have a lot of movement within the community between a few ES schools, so one year eg, Hutchison would bump up and another year it would drop but HES would increase.

Interesting, though a couple hundred students seems too large for a baby boom, especially in such a short time period. I wonder if there was a change in methodology for how students are counted. This was of course right in the throes of covid too, so maybe that was messing with the numbers.

[Anonymous]

Many more students could be coming to Herndon HS before too long (perhaps 3-4 years?):

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/03/01/decision-deferred-on-tweaks-to-residential-development-near-innovation-metro/#more-287645

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many more students could be coming to Herndon HS before too long (perhaps 3-4 years?):

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/03/01/decision-deferred-on-tweaks-to-residential-development-near-innovation-metro/#more-287645

That's not within the current Herndon HS boundary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Many more students could be coming to Herndon HS before too long (perhaps 3-4 years?):

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/03/01/decision-deferred-on-tweaks-to-residential-development-near-innovation-metro/#more-287645

That's not within the current Herndon HS boundary.

Yeah, that's in the Westfield district. They'd have to change the boundary to move that area to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The AP participation rates at Herndon are lower for just about every ethnicity than at many other AP schools.

So if the point is that the kids who make it to AP courses at Herndon often do well, great point to make, but others may ask what’s happening in the pyramid that makes kids less likely to take those more challenging courses.

I asked my work colleague about her children's experiences at HHS. She said that they all liked it. One of her children did a French immersion program there. My work colleague identifies as Filipina (we talk openly about our ethnic backgrounds). She lived in both the town of Herndon and FFX portion of Herndon. She said some of her kids had to go to Chantilly and preferred HHS b/c of the counselor services at HHS. I asked her about the AP participation rates and she said a lot of kids had to work after school. Her daughter dropped out of an AP course b/c it was too much additional after school work and her daughter wanted to enjoy her social life instead.

Herndon ES replaced its French immersion program with Spanish immersion five years ago.

Merely attending HES HMS or HHS is a form of Spanish immersion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

Every indication is that they will attempt to follow through with a county-wide redraw. Whether they succeed in light of the onslaught of pushback that they will get and their inability to predict out more than a year, that is the question. They aren’t going to want to redistrict a school in the name of equity just to have it overcrowded a couple years later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Gosh, I can't *imagine* why anyone would be against sending their kids to this school!
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

Every indication is that they will attempt to follow through with a county-wide redraw. Whether they succeed in light of the onslaught of pushback that they will get and their inability to predict out more than a year, that is the question. They aren’t going to want to redistrict a school in the name of equity just to have it overcrowded a couple years later.

You and PP are trying so hard to get people riled up over the looming “county-wide redraw” but failing, probably because the last time this came up the obstacles to the School Board pulling this off successfully got aired in some detail. These folks can’t even get one-off boundary changes right, so no one really expects them to try to go for the whole enchilada.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Gosh, I can't *imagine* why anyone would be against sending their kids to this school!
DP

I'm not here to defend Herndon, as I think it's crucial to publicly criticize the school so that FCPS will actually do something to improve it. But for reference here are Chantilly's numbers. Lower for sure but still surprisingly high given that it's one of the premier academic pyramids in FCPS.

Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 226
Behaviors related to School Operations 384
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 129
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 150
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 31
Behaviors used to determine Persistently Dangerous Schools 1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

Every indication is that they will attempt to follow through with a county-wide redraw. Whether they succeed in light of the onslaught of pushback that they will get and their inability to predict out more than a year, that is the question. They aren’t going to want to redistrict a school in the name of equity just to have it overcrowded a couple years later.

You and PP are trying so hard to get people riled up over the looming “county-wide redraw” but failing, probably because the last time this came up the obstacles to the School Board pulling this off successfully got aired in some detail. These folks can’t even get one-off boundary changes right, so no one really expects them to try to go for the whole enchilada.

I’m definitely not trying to get anyone riled up. I personally think a county-wide redistricting is a misguided waste of resources and that every school board member who votes for it should lose their job.

That said, I listened to the 2/8 board meeting, and member after member talked a big game (particularly McDaniel). I hope they aren’t crazy enough to try any big redistricting, but they just might. No need to get riled up, but likewise don’t get too complacent if your kids might be impacted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The AP participation rates at Herndon are lower for just about every ethnicity than at many other AP schools.

So if the point is that the kids who make it to AP courses at Herndon often do well, great point to make, but others may ask what’s happening in the pyramid that makes kids less likely to take those more challenging courses.

I asked my work colleague about her children's experiences at HHS. She said that they all liked it. One of her children did a French immersion program there. My work colleague identifies as Filipina (we talk openly about our ethnic backgrounds). She lived in both the town of Herndon and FFX portion of Herndon. She said some of her kids had to go to Chantilly and preferred HHS b/c of the counselor services at HHS. I asked her about the AP participation rates and she said a lot of kids had to work after school. Her daughter dropped out of an AP course b/c it was too much additional after school work and her daughter wanted to enjoy her social life instead.

Herndon ES replaced its French immersion program with Spanish immersion five years ago.

Merely attending HES HMS or HHS is a form of Spanish immersion.

Nice try. Nearly every native Spanish speaking student is already bilingual by the time they arrive at HES. You’d know this if you had any involvement with the pyramid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

Every indication is that they will attempt to follow through with a county-wide redraw. Whether they succeed in light of the onslaught of pushback that they will get and their inability to predict out more than a year, that is the question. They aren’t going to want to redistrict a school in the name of equity just to have it overcrowded a couple years later.

You and PP are trying so hard to get people riled up over the looming “county-wide redraw” but failing, probably because the last time this came up the obstacles to the School Board pulling this off successfully got aired in some detail. These folks can’t even get one-off boundary changes right, so no one really expects them to try to go for the whole enchilada.

I’m definitely not trying to get anyone riled up. I personally think a county-wide redistricting is a misguided waste of resources and that every school board member who votes for it should lose their job.

That said, I listened to the 2/8 board meeting, and member after member talked a big game (particularly McDaniel). I hope they aren’t crazy enough to try any big redistricting, but they just might. No need to get riled up, but likewise don’t get too complacent if your kids might be impacted.

It's a new board at the beginning of their four-year term. They're allowed, and even perhaps expected, to say some things they walk back later.

The motivation behind the talk of a county-wide redistricting was the desire on the part of some new School Board members to remove and/or insulate themselves from responsibility for boundary changes by suggesting they could just rely on staff or some third party to come up with a county-wide redistricting proposal.

What they will soon realize, if they haven't realized it since 2/8, is that ultimately they will be held accountable for any boundary changes. There is little demand among parents for sweeping changes, and the opposition they would face would be substantial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is it about GenEd kids that makes people so afraid to share a classroom with them? I definitely think kids should strive to meet their potential, be we can't all be great at everything. What are you really afraid of?

I suspect it's exposure to ethnic groups and socio-economic groups the that have perceived behavioral problems or aren't "serious" students b/c they aren't in the AP classes.

“Perceived” behavioral problems, lmao. Not just perceived but reported to the state.

http://schoolquality.virginia.gov/schools/herndon-high#fndtn-desktopTabs-climate

2022-2023 Offenses
Behaviors that Impede Academic Progress 506
Behaviors related to School Operations 496
Relationship Behaviors without Physical Harm 375
Behaviors of a Safety Concern 204
Behaviors that Endanger the Health, Safety, or Welfare of Self or Others 36

Numbers will go down with the rebounders. I finally got around to watching some of the board meeting and every indication is that they will follow through with a county-wide redraw.

Every indication is that they will attempt to follow through with a county-wide redraw. Whether they succeed in light of the onslaught of pushback that they will get and their inability to predict out more than a year, that is the question. They aren’t going to want to redistrict a school in the name of equity just to have it overcrowded a couple years later.

You and PP are trying so hard to get people riled up over the looming “county-wide redraw” but failing, probably because the last time this came up the obstacles to the School Board pulling this off successfully got aired in some detail. These folks can’t even get one-off boundary changes right, so no one really expects them to try to go for the whole enchilada.

Not them. Staff would draft the plan. In fact, I bet they already have one.

They were just elected/re-elected. There will never be a better time, especially with the economy being bad. Many people won’t be able to pull for private.