LGBTQ+ Friendly Catholic High Schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

The religious group behind that push is Evangelical Protestants, not Catholics.

More than a few Catholics have enthusiastically jumped on that bandwagon. Don't let them slide.

Shame on that handful. Anyway, our Catholic school has a section of the library dedicated to encouraging them to read "banned" books and a link on the library web site to the Banned Books Week materials and free access to the books.

And my DD who attends a Catholic high school has been assigned books from the ALA banned book list in English class. She also belongs to a social justice club. None of this stops my FIL from assuming she is learning about creationism and is being trained to follow Trump, neither of which are remotely true.

He’s rather ignorant about Catholicism, though, and assumes the worst. I tried to point out his misconceptions, but he seems rather happy to keep them.

FWIW, one of her best friends is LGBTQ+ and seems quite open and comfortable at the school.

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Pick an Episcopal school. You’ll get all of the benefits of being at a school that has great religious education but in an intellectual and ethical way (and *none* if the transphobia).

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Anonymous wrote:Pick an Episcopal school. You’ll get all of the benefits of being at a school that has great religious education but in an intellectual and ethical way (and *none* if the transphobia).

What do you know about Catholic schools? What is anti-intellectual and unethical about them? How have the schools exhibited transphobia?

Very curious here. I have my kids in two different Catholic schools and I teach in a 3rd. I’m not seeing anything you claim.

And I’m not Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Homosexual activities like going to club meetings, and bringing a date to prom are not adultery. Adultery is not happening at high schools.

The Catholic high schools have many teachers and parents who are married outside the church. Kids are taught to respect those people, and can be taught to respect people who are in same sex relationships as well.

Anything that promotes sin is sinful. Since there is no possibility of non sinful homosexual sex within Catholicism, anything promoting that, like dating same sex partners, is promoting sin.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Marriage is not only between a man and a woman. So no.

Yes it is, within the Catholic church. We are only talking about Catholic doctrine here. Obviously in the secular world, none of this matters. Adultery is not illegal and neither is gay marriage.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Homosexual activities like going to club meetings, and bringing a date to prom are not adultery. Adultery is not happening at high schools.

The Catholic high schools have many teachers and parents who are married outside the church. Kids are taught to respect those people, and can be taught to respect people who are in same sex relationships as well.

Anything that promotes sin is sinful. Since there is no possibility of non sinful homosexual sex within Catholicism, anything promoting that, like dating same sex partners, is promoting sin.

If you view taking someone to prom as promoting sex with them then I would think you would be anti prom, because the straight couples are husband and wife.

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As Inigo Montoya would say, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

What does it mean, then? Do enlighten us. I bet you are full of s%*#. It means exactly what we think it means.

You're the one who introduced the word to this thread, not me.

But you’re accusing us of not knowing what it means. Like I said, you are full of crap.

Nice dodge.

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Why would a gay person or child want to go to a catholic school or church? Pretty sure most Catholic Churches are not gay affirming.

I feel like many families leave the Catholic Church over this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

You don’t see the irony in your last statement? Catholics try to interject themselves in everyone’s life everyday. And for decades the Catholic Church has tried to take over public schools via public school board elections. Yet you want people to stay in their lane and not impede on your beliefs? Why not just let people not be Catholic in peace without judgement?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

You don’t see the irony in your last statement? Catholics try to interject themselves in everyone’s life everyday. And for decades the Catholic Church has tried to take over public schools via public school board elections. Yet you want people to stay in their lane and not impede on your beliefs? Why not just let people not be Catholic in peace without judgement?

Can you point to any proof of these statements? Where has the Catholic Church tried to take over school boards, and for what purpose? There are plenty of Catholic schools, so I don’t really see the point.

Is it possible you are inserting “Catholic” when you simply mean “Christian”? I feel the Catholic Church takes a lot of heat that really should be pointed at other denominations.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

You don’t see the irony in your last statement? Catholics try to interject themselves in everyone’s life everyday. And for decades the Catholic Church has tried to take over public schools via public school board elections. Yet you want people to stay in their lane and not impede on your beliefs? Why not just let people not be Catholic in peace without judgement?

Even if true, school boards are public spaces and we have a democratic system so of course everyone should vote and try to get their voices heard. The Catholic Church is not a democracy. You can try all you want to change it but just don't get frustrated when it doesn't happen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Homosexual activities like going to club meetings, and bringing a date to prom are not adultery. Adultery is not happening at high schools.

The Catholic high schools have many teachers and parents who are married outside the church. Kids are taught to respect those people, and can be taught to respect people who are in same sex relationships as well.

Anything that promotes sin is sinful. Since there is no possibility of non sinful homosexual sex within Catholicism, anything promoting that, like dating same sex partners, is promoting sin.

If you view taking someone to prom as promoting sex with them then I would think you would be anti prom, because the straight couples are husband and wife.

What husband and wife are going to prom?

Encouraging dating is about encouraging relationships that ultimately lead to marriage, not premarital sex. The fact that the church does not recognize homosexual marriages is why encouraging homosexuals to date is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Homosexual activities like going to club meetings, and bringing a date to prom are not adultery. Adultery is not happening at high schools.

The Catholic high schools have many teachers and parents who are married outside the church. Kids are taught to respect those people, and can be taught to respect people who are in same sex relationships as well.

Anything that promotes sin is sinful. Since there is no possibility of non sinful homosexual sex within Catholicism, anything promoting that, like dating same sex partners, is promoting sin.

So is dating opposite sex people since premarital sex is a sin. Prom is "lose your virginity night" so Prom in and of itself is sinful.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why you people who don't actually believe in Catholicism keep wanting to send your kids to Catholic schools. There are plenty of liberal privates out there. Pick any of them and leave the Catholic schools to people who actually want a space where they can be Catholics.

There are plenty of LGBTQ Catholics.

OP said it is just because the schools are close to her house. Do not pick a school that a community built to support their own beliefs and go in and try to reap the benefits while not holding yourself to their rules. That is so disrespectful.

+1 million. Imagine catholics going to some woke secular school and trying to tell them being gay is bad. They would get shredded to pieces.

..are...are you being serious here? oh boy the lack of awareness in this comment

NP - I guess I share the PP's lack of awareness, because I too think that the OP's attitude is disrespectful toward the Catholic schools. and yes, I am being serious. Tolerance is a two way street.

No, this is the fallacy of tolerance. We do not have to tolerate the intolerant. Given how well-represented the religious group is in the current push to ban and burn books in schools and libraries throughout the nation, the lack of awareness is amazing. No one is being disrespectful. But I suppose it is as they say, though, when one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This comment made me laugh out loud. Add in a “do better” and a “your privilege is showing” to have the maximum liberal outrage sarcasm effect.

Agree. Hilarious. Oh, and she forgot to tell us that we should be “doing the hard work.”

DP. Asking about treatment of LGBTQ individuals at Catholic schools is not disrespectful of Catholic schools. Catholic schools, if they fulfill their mission, should be teaching kind treatment of everyone. Even *if* you believe being gay is a sin, why would that sin rank higher on some hierarchy for you to the point where you think a gay person should be mistreated? Jesus sat with all kinds of sinners. He said love your neighbor and not only that, he said love your *enemy*. Basically, Jesus advocated being kind to everyone, whether you agree with them or not, whether you believe they are a sinner or not. It's really hard to do, but it's what He calls us to do.

If the last two PPs claim to be Catholic and are actually worried about upholding the teachings of Jesus, you are failing miserably. You are unkind and snarky. For what?

For sure. Jesus was kind. But He also urged CHANGE in behavior and did not mince words. Kindly, asking for a turn away from sin towards a greater plan on line with His great plan for us.

Except he didn’t urge people to change this sin. He was very clear about which sins he felt were most important to address.

Jesus was very clear on adultery being a sin. Homosexual activity falls under adultery because marriage can only be between one man and one woman.

Homosexual activities like going to club meetings, and bringing a date to prom are not adultery. Adultery is not happening at high schools.

The Catholic high schools have many teachers and parents who are married outside the church. Kids are taught to respect those people, and can be taught to respect people who are in same sex relationships as well.

Anything that promotes sin is sinful. Since there is no possibility of non sinful homosexual sex within Catholicism, anything promoting that, like dating same sex partners, is promoting sin.

If you view taking someone to prom as promoting sex with them then I would think you would be anti prom, because the straight couples are husband and wife.

What husband and wife are going to prom?

Encouraging dating is about encouraging relationships that ultimately lead to marriage, not premarital sex. The fact that the church does not recognize homosexual marriages is why encouraging homosexuals to date is wrong.

Maybe 1% of people going to prom are going to get married to each other but they are going to bang that night or that summer.

You are a wack job and you don't speak for all Catholics or even the Catholic church.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would a gay person or child want to go to a catholic school or church? Pretty sure most Catholic Churches are not gay affirming.

I feel like many families leave the Catholic Church over this issue.

Same reason divorced families got to Catholic school/church.