What would be the process to get metal detectors in MCPS schools?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the literature is pretty clear that metal detectors don't work.

Ok, so what does? That's a genuine question. I'm an MCPS parent, and not an expert on education OR security, so help me understand what MCPS should be doing to keep our kids safe from gun violence in particular, and how we can advocate for those steps instead of metal detectors.

Short of wholesale societal change in our attitudes toward guns, what can be done now?

MCPS needs to get rid of restorative Justice and start enforcing true consequences. Kids are smart and we need to stop treating them like infants. As we continue to lower the bar of expectations, the kids will continue to lower their expectations of themselves. This is true for academics and behavior.

We also need to put SROs back in schools full time.

Wrong. Schools are doing just fine without the SROs, which have been shown to make schools less safe. RJ is also fine when used correctly. MCPS still uses detention and suspension. Blaming RJ is just right-wing PR.

If you are really concerned about guns, write your representative about passing common sense gun laws. This is the real problem.

Finally a poster that makes sense!

Clearly neither of you have kids especially in MS and HS in MCPS if you think things are ok. Gun laws will not help as people can buy on the black market or make their own.

I am amazed at how relaxed about kids coming late, skipping class and other behaviors at our HS. We have a closed campus and the principal told the parents it's ok that the kids leave campus for lunch and that they aren't monitoring it. Schools need to have consequences and work with interested parents if their kids are struggling or having behavior problems. I would want to know and if my kids are in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home too.

RJ is a joke. The abuser has to apologize, no consequences so what's stopping them from doing it again. If kids get to MS or HS and cannot understand their behavior is wrong by then, they aren't going to learn in an apology session. Lets be real.

Gun laws obviously do help. The US is the only nation where this regularly happens, as the Onion regularly says.

Guns laws we have are already disregarded. How will it be different when there are more?

People can make guns now. They don’t need to purchase them, legally or otherwise.

People can make guns now, anywhere in the world. Yet the US is the only nation where this regularly happens.

I am so tired of hearing that gun laws won't help. If you say that, you're part of the problem.

No, it violence happens in many other countries too. Be real. Why do you think so many are fleeing their countries to come here? You really think they want to? Nope, only the wealthy. They aren't risking their lives because their countries are safe and good.

Gun laws will not help.

What will help is metal detectors, more security (I couldn't care less if you call it security guards, SRO's or CRO's) and holding kids accountable for their behavior as well as with serious things, holding parents accountable. Parents need to step up more and parent and stop expecting the schools to fix their kids. If as parents you cannot, how do you think the school can?

I agree with all of this. A shooter isn’t going to worry about whether the gun they use is legal or not. And with so many guns in the US, it wouldn’t be hard for someone to find one. Or even make one.

Hold people accountable for their actions. Get security back into schools.

Yep. Too many guns already. Let's just issue body armor to all the kids.

No need for hyperbole. Body armor for kids is illogical and you know it.

But it is also illogical to assume we are going to get rid of the hundreds of millions of guns in the US. It is illogical to assume that more laws will change the behavior of somebody who doesn’t care to follow laws in the first place.

We need SROs back in schools. We also need to hold kids accountable for the little things so school environments don’t get so out of control that big things can happen.

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We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

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Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

What would that look like? And how will you get someone who doesn’t follow existing laws to follow the new ones?

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the literature is pretty clear that metal detectors don't work.

Ok, so what does? That's a genuine question. I'm an MCPS parent, and not an expert on education OR security, so help me understand what MCPS should be doing to keep our kids safe from gun violence in particular, and how we can advocate for those steps instead of metal detectors.

Short of wholesale societal change in our attitudes toward guns, what can be done now?

MCPS needs to get rid of restorative Justice and start enforcing true consequences. Kids are smart and we need to stop treating them like infants. As we continue to lower the bar of expectations, the kids will continue to lower their expectations of themselves. This is true for academics and behavior.

We also need to put SROs back in schools full time.

Wrong. Schools are doing just fine without the SROs, which have been shown to make schools less safe. RJ is also fine when used correctly. MCPS still uses detention and suspension. Blaming RJ is just right-wing PR.

If you are really concerned about guns, write your representative about passing common sense gun laws. This is the real problem.

Finally a poster that makes sense!

Clearly neither of you have kids especially in MS and HS in MCPS if you think things are ok. Gun laws will not help as people can buy on the black market or make their own.

I am amazed at how relaxed about kids coming late, skipping class and other behaviors at our HS. We have a closed campus and the principal told the parents it's ok that the kids leave campus for lunch and that they aren't monitoring it. Schools need to have consequences and work with interested parents if their kids are struggling or having behavior problems. I would want to know and if my kids are in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home too.

RJ is a joke. The abuser has to apologize, no consequences so what's stopping them from doing it again. If kids get to MS or HS and cannot understand their behavior is wrong by then, they aren't going to learn in an apology session. Lets be real.

Gun laws obviously do help. The US is the only nation where this regularly happens, as the Onion regularly says.

Guns laws we have are already disregarded. How will it be different when there are more?

People can make guns now. They don’t need to purchase them, legally or otherwise.

People can make guns now, anywhere in the world. Yet the US is the only nation where this regularly happens.

I am so tired of hearing that gun laws won't help. If you say that, you're part of the problem.

No, it violence happens in many other countries too. Be real. Why do you think so many are fleeing their countries to come here? You really think they want to? Nope, only the wealthy. They aren't risking their lives because their countries are safe and good.

Gun laws will not help.

What will help is metal detectors, more security (I couldn't care less if you call it security guards, SRO's or CRO's) and holding kids accountable for their behavior as well as with serious things, holding parents accountable. Parents need to step up more and parent and stop expecting the schools to fix their kids. If as parents you cannot, how do you think the school can?

I agree with all of this. A shooter isn’t going to worry about whether the gun they use is legal or not. And with so many guns in the US, it wouldn’t be hard for someone to find one. Or even make one.

Hold people accountable for their actions. Get security back into schools.

Yep. Too many guns already. Let's just issue body armor to all the kids.

No need for hyperbole. Body armor for kids is illogical and you know it.

But it is also illogical to assume we are going to get rid of the hundreds of millions of guns in the US. It is illogical to assume that more laws will change the behavior of somebody who doesn’t care to follow laws in the first place.

We need SROs back in schools. We also need to hold kids accountable for the little things so school environments don’t get so out of control that big things can happen.

Not at all. We do this all the time with laws. When people say, "A law won't work because of people who break the law," what that really means is, "I don't want that law."

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Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

What would that look like? And how will you get someone who doesn’t follow existing laws to follow the new ones?

Law enforcement.

(Seems like that would go without saying, but evidently not.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

+1000

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the literature is pretty clear that metal detectors don't work.

Ok, so what does? That's a genuine question. I'm an MCPS parent, and not an expert on education OR security, so help me understand what MCPS should be doing to keep our kids safe from gun violence in particular, and how we can advocate for those steps instead of metal detectors.

Short of wholesale societal change in our attitudes toward guns, what can be done now?

MCPS needs to get rid of restorative Justice and start enforcing true consequences. Kids are smart and we need to stop treating them like infants. As we continue to lower the bar of expectations, the kids will continue to lower their expectations of themselves. This is true for academics and behavior.

We also need to put SROs back in schools full time.

Wrong. Schools are doing just fine without the SROs, which have been shown to make schools less safe. RJ is also fine when used correctly. MCPS still uses detention and suspension. Blaming RJ is just right-wing PR.

If you are really concerned about guns, write your representative about passing common sense gun laws. This is the real problem.

Finally a poster that makes sense!

Clearly neither of you have kids especially in MS and HS in MCPS if you think things are ok. Gun laws will not help as people can buy on the black market or make their own.

I am amazed at how relaxed about kids coming late, skipping class and other behaviors at our HS. We have a closed campus and the principal told the parents it's ok that the kids leave campus for lunch and that they aren't monitoring it. Schools need to have consequences and work with interested parents if their kids are struggling or having behavior problems. I would want to know and if my kids are in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home too.

RJ is a joke. The abuser has to apologize, no consequences so what's stopping them from doing it again. If kids get to MS or HS and cannot understand their behavior is wrong by then, they aren't going to learn in an apology session. Lets be real.

Gun laws obviously do help. The US is the only nation where this regularly happens, as the Onion regularly says.

Guns laws we have are already disregarded. How will it be different when there are more?

People can make guns now. They don’t need to purchase them, legally or otherwise.

People can make guns now, anywhere in the world. Yet the US is the only nation where this regularly happens.

I am so tired of hearing that gun laws won't help. If you say that, you're part of the problem.

No, it violence happens in many other countries too. Be real. Why do you think so many are fleeing their countries to come here? You really think they want to? Nope, only the wealthy. They aren't risking their lives because their countries are safe and good.

Gun laws will not help.

What will help is metal detectors, more security (I couldn't care less if you call it security guards, SRO's or CRO's) and holding kids accountable for their behavior as well as with serious things, holding parents accountable. Parents need to step up more and parent and stop expecting the schools to fix their kids. If as parents you cannot, how do you think the school can?

I agree with all of this. A shooter isn’t going to worry about whether the gun they use is legal or not. And with so many guns in the US, it wouldn’t be hard for someone to find one. Or even make one.

Hold people accountable for their actions. Get security back into schools.

Yep. Too many guns already. Let's just issue body armor to all the kids.

No need for hyperbole. Body armor for kids is illogical and you know it.

But it is also illogical to assume we are going to get rid of the hundreds of millions of guns in the US. It is illogical to assume that more laws will change the behavior of somebody who doesn’t care to follow laws in the first place.

We need SROs back in schools. We also need to hold kids accountable for the little things so school environments don’t get so out of control that big things can happen.

This. We need to implement appropriate consequences for kids so that they know they are being held accountable for good behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

We already have gun laws.

Heck, kids aren't supposed to be smoking weed at school - yet, the bathrooms are filled with weed, and fentanyl and other drugs.

We have drug laws, but those don't keep drugs out of our schools.

We have laws about bomb threats, but we now know that those don't apply to kids under the age of 13. So, we still had a rash of bomb threats in MCPS.

We have laws protecting kids from sexual assault, but we have rapes in our schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

What would that look like? And how will you get someone who doesn’t follow existing laws to follow the new ones?

Law enforcement.

(Seems like that would go without saying, but evidently not.)

Voters and our County politicians do NOT want law enforcement in our schools. They have made that clear. The politics of this county do not support law enforcement in our schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems the literature is pretty clear that metal detectors don't work.

Ok, so what does? That's a genuine question. I'm an MCPS parent, and not an expert on education OR security, so help me understand what MCPS should be doing to keep our kids safe from gun violence in particular, and how we can advocate for those steps instead of metal detectors.

Short of wholesale societal change in our attitudes toward guns, what can be done now?

MCPS needs to get rid of restorative Justice and start enforcing true consequences. Kids are smart and we need to stop treating them like infants. As we continue to lower the bar of expectations, the kids will continue to lower their expectations of themselves. This is true for academics and behavior.

We also need to put SROs back in schools full time.

Wrong. Schools are doing just fine without the SROs, which have been shown to make schools less safe. RJ is also fine when used correctly. MCPS still uses detention and suspension. Blaming RJ is just right-wing PR.

If you are really concerned about guns, write your representative about passing common sense gun laws. This is the real problem.

Finally a poster that makes sense!

Clearly neither of you have kids especially in MS and HS in MCPS if you think things are ok. Gun laws will not help as people can buy on the black market or make their own.

I am amazed at how relaxed about kids coming late, skipping class and other behaviors at our HS. We have a closed campus and the principal told the parents it's ok that the kids leave campus for lunch and that they aren't monitoring it. Schools need to have consequences and work with interested parents if their kids are struggling or having behavior problems. I would want to know and if my kids are in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home too.

RJ is a joke. The abuser has to apologize, no consequences so what's stopping them from doing it again. If kids get to MS or HS and cannot understand their behavior is wrong by then, they aren't going to learn in an apology session. Lets be real.

Agree with all of this.

My HS kid took Health last year and there were at least 5 students who pretty much NEVER attended the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

What would that look like? And how will you get someone who doesn’t follow existing laws to follow the new ones?

Law enforcement.

(Seems like that would go without saying, but evidently not.)

Voters and our County politicians do NOT want law enforcement in our schools. They have made that clear. The politics of this county do not support law enforcement in our schools.

Voters and our County politicians also do NOT want guns in our schools.

Also, fortunately, we don't need to have law enforcement in our schools in order to enforce general, common-sense gun laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

We already have gun laws.

Heck, kids aren't supposed to be smoking weed at school - yet, the bathrooms are filled with weed, and fentanyl and other drugs.

We have drug laws, but those don't keep drugs out of our schools.

We have laws about bomb threats, but we now know that those don't apply to kids under the age of 13. So, we still had a rash of bomb threats in MCPS.

We have laws protecting kids from sexual assault, but we have rapes in our schools.

And so therefore we should just get rid of laws about drugs, bombs, and sexual assaults? Is that what you're saying? There are laws against murder, but people still murder, therefore we shouldn't have laws against murder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

We already have gun laws.

Heck, kids aren't supposed to be smoking weed at school - yet, the bathrooms are filled with weed, and fentanyl and other drugs.

We have drug laws, but those don't keep drugs out of our schools.

We have laws about bomb threats, but we now know that those don't apply to kids under the age of 13. So, we still had a rash of bomb threats in MCPS.

We have laws protecting kids from sexual assault, but we have rapes in our schools.

And so therefore we should just get rid of laws about drugs, bombs, and sexual assaults? Is that what you're saying? There are laws against murder, but people still murder, therefore we shouldn't have laws against murder?

DP.
It’s pointless to throw MORE laws around when the EXISTING laws aren’t followed or enforced. I’m all for gun control, but I’m also a realist. Do you think gun violence is always being committed by people who own the guns lawfully? If a person is willing to break the law, won’t they be willing to break one or two more? So fine… write all the gun laws you want. Then what? NOTHING will change without enforcement.

Someone upthread said we don’t need police in schools. We just need more gun laws. Again: how will that help? More laws and no enforcement?

When it comes down to reason and logic: the schools need security and the EXISTING rules enforced. Let’s start there.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems the literature is pretty clear that metal detectors don't work.

Ok, so what does? That's a genuine question. I'm an MCPS parent, and not an expert on education OR security, so help me understand what MCPS should be doing to keep our kids safe from gun violence in particular, and how we can advocate for those steps instead of metal detectors.

Short of wholesale societal change in our attitudes toward guns, what can be done now?

MCPS needs to get rid of restorative Justice and start enforcing true consequences. Kids are smart and we need to stop treating them like infants. As we continue to lower the bar of expectations, the kids will continue to lower their expectations of themselves. This is true for academics and behavior.

We also need to put SROs back in schools full time.

Wrong. Schools are doing just fine without the SROs, which have been shown to make schools less safe. RJ is also fine when used correctly. MCPS still uses detention and suspension. Blaming RJ is just right-wing PR.

If you are really concerned about guns, write your representative about passing common sense gun laws. This is the real problem.

Finally a poster that makes sense!

Clearly neither of you have kids especially in MS and HS in MCPS if you think things are ok. Gun laws will not help as people can buy on the black market or make their own.

I am amazed at how relaxed about kids coming late, skipping class and other behaviors at our HS. We have a closed campus and the principal told the parents it's ok that the kids leave campus for lunch and that they aren't monitoring it. Schools need to have consequences and work with interested parents if their kids are struggling or having behavior problems. I would want to know and if my kids are in trouble at school, they will be in trouble at home too.

RJ is a joke. The abuser has to apologize, no consequences so what's stopping them from doing it again. If kids get to MS or HS and cannot understand their behavior is wrong by then, they aren't going to learn in an apology session. Lets be real.

Gun laws obviously do help. The US is the only nation where this regularly happens, as the Onion regularly says.

Guns laws we have are already disregarded. How will it be different when there are more?

People can make guns now. They don’t need to purchase them, legally or otherwise.

People can make guns now, anywhere in the world. Yet the US is the only nation where this regularly happens.

I am so tired of hearing that gun laws won't help. If you say that, you're part of the problem.

No, it violence happens in many other countries too. Be real. Why do you think so many are fleeing their countries to come here? You really think they want to? Nope, only the wealthy. They aren't risking their lives because their countries are safe and good.

Gun laws will not help.

What will help is metal detectors, more security (I couldn't care less if you call it security guards, SRO's or CRO's) and holding kids accountable for their behavior as well as with serious things, holding parents accountable. Parents need to step up more and parent and stop expecting the schools to fix their kids. If as parents you cannot, how do you think the school can?

I agree with all of this. A shooter isn’t going to worry about whether the gun they use is legal or not. And with so many guns in the US, it wouldn’t be hard for someone to find one. Or even make one.

Hold people accountable for their actions. Get security back into schools.

Yep. Too many guns already. Let's just issue body armor to all the kids.

No need for hyperbole. Body armor for kids is illogical and you know it.

But it is also illogical to assume we are going to get rid of the hundreds of millions of guns in the US. It is illogical to assume that more laws will change the behavior of somebody who doesn’t care to follow laws in the first place.

We need SROs back in schools. We also need to hold kids accountable for the little things so school environments don’t get so out of control that big things can happen.

If we just had adequate gun control, all this nonsense would be superfluous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We Don't need SROs or metal detectors. What we do need are common sense gun laws.

We already have gun laws.

Heck, kids aren't supposed to be smoking weed at school - yet, the bathrooms are filled with weed, and fentanyl and other drugs.

We have drug laws, but those don't keep drugs out of our schools.

We have laws about bomb threats, but we now know that those don't apply to kids under the age of 13. So, we still had a rash of bomb threats in MCPS.

We have laws protecting kids from sexual assault, but we have rapes in our schools.

So you're saying MCPD isn't doing its job?