What would be the process to get metal detectors in MCPS schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

Why not? What is the big deal?

Because it doesn't make schools safer, but does make schools more prison-like.

Also because it costs money that would be better spent on almost anything else.

In general, MoCo doesn't seem to be safe these days. There are too many incidents of retail robbery. I feel safer when I go through airport security or security at a professional venue. I don't feel that having to walk through a metal detector in either of these places makes them feel more prison like.

I don't disagree that it would cost money.

That’s a false sense of security and exactly what they want you to think.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

Why not? What is the big deal?

Because it doesn't make schools safer, but does make schools more prison-like.

Also because it costs money that would be better spent on almost anything else.

Told you. This is the line white liberals trot out every time.

You know what also makes schools more prison-like? Kids bringing guns and other weapons to school.

Maybe you could provide evidence that metal detectors are effective at making schools safer. Without quoting a "school safety consultant" whose business is selling security-theater products to schools.

Also, no, kids bringing guns to school doesn't make schools more prison-like.

What's the difference? https://fox8.com/news/i-team/gun-found-in-prison-hidden-inside-football-i-team/

You're not seriously taking the position that the defining characteristic of a prison is that there are clandestine guns there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this has been discussed/voted on in recent years? Do some schools already have them? What would be the most effective ways for parents to help make this happen?

Jack Smith sent this memo to the board in 2018:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/boe/meetings/memorandum/180926-cost-install-metal-detectors-08-30-18-05.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People don’t want them, particularly if they are not part of a comprehensive security plan that doesn’t paint all kids as potential criminals. Why? Because metal deter and clear backpacks are not a new novel idea. Plenty of places have already tried this and still have incidents happen.

There aren’t metal detectors on every door entrance at colleges/universities? Neither do they exist at all private schools?

Most of the problems seen in schools start outside of school. Mental health, food insecurity, politics as a sport instead of governing, gangs, etc etc. If we dealt with societal issues instead of hiding and kicking the can down the road then what goes on in schools would be education.

You live in La-La Land, not reality.

Morgan State and Bowie State University are considering measures like walls, cameras and weapons detectors after two devastating shootings ruined their homecomings last month, which include adding more walls/fencing to the physical campus and a clear bag policy for events and "More enhanced technology to enable campus law enforcement to detect and identify any individual on campus with a weapon":

https://www.morgan.edu/news/campus-safety-enhancements

The long-term societal issues you propose we address, which aren't coupled with targeted, specific solutions and lack a timeline, don't help with the short-term needs for safety and security of staff and students next week.

What is your proposal to make the building safety next week, while you work on curing the underlying poverty and home-based trauma that is outside of the remit of the school district to solve and on an indefinite timeline?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this has been discussed/voted on in recent years? Do some schools already have them? What would be the most effective ways for parents to help make this happen?

And don't forget guard towers and barbed wire! IF only schools were more like prisons!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

Why not? What is the big deal?

Because it doesn't make schools safer, but does make schools more prison-like.

Also because it costs money that would be better spent on almost anything else.

Told you. This is the line white liberals trot out every time.

You know what also makes schools more prison-like? Kids bringing guns and other weapons to school.

Maybe you could provide evidence that metal detectors are effective at making schools safer. Without quoting a "school safety consultant" whose business is selling security-theater products to schools.

Also, no, kids bringing guns to school doesn't make schools more prison-like.

What's the difference? https://fox8.com/news/i-team/gun-found-in-prison-hidden-inside-football-i-team/

You're not seriously taking the position that the defining characteristic of a prison is that there are clandestine guns there?

I didn't take that position. You took the position that guns in schools doesn't make them prison-like, but having weapons detectors does. You need to substantiate your claim. Not me.

Most people don't think airports are prison-like and we have weapons detectors and body scanners there too. But for some reason, for you, the weapons detector is an unviable solution for schools because it equates to some vague criteria you've failed to define that makes it "prison-like."

The ball is in your court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

Why not? What is the big deal?

Because it doesn't make schools safer, but does make schools more prison-like.

Also because it costs money that would be better spent on almost anything else.

Told you. This is the line white liberals trot out every time.

You know what also makes schools more prison-like? Kids bringing guns and other weapons to school.

Maybe you could provide evidence that metal detectors are effective at making schools safer. Without quoting a "school safety consultant" whose business is selling security-theater products to schools.

Also, no, kids bringing guns to school doesn't make schools more prison-like.

What's the difference? https://fox8.com/news/i-team/gun-found-in-prison-hidden-inside-football-i-team/

You're not seriously taking the position that the defining characteristic of a prison is that there are clandestine guns there?

I didn't take that position. You took the position that guns in schools doesn't make them prison-like, but having weapons detectors does. You need to substantiate your claim. Not me.

Most people don't think airports are prison-like and we have weapons detectors and body scanners there too. But for some reason, for you, the weapons detector is an unviable solution for schools because it equates to some vague criteria you've failed to define that makes it "prison-like."

The ball is in your court.

And the weapons detectors and body scanners make airports prison-like.

"We have security theater here, and people are ok with that, so people should be ok with security theater there too" is not much of an argument.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

Why not? What is the big deal?

Because it doesn't make schools safer, but does make schools more prison-like.

Also because it costs money that would be better spent on almost anything else.

Told you. This is the line white liberals trot out every time.

You know what also makes schools more prison-like? Kids bringing guns and other weapons to school.

Maybe you could provide evidence that metal detectors are effective at making schools safer. Without quoting a "school safety consultant" whose business is selling security-theater products to schools.

Also, no, kids bringing guns to school doesn't make schools more prison-like.

What's the difference? https://fox8.com/news/i-team/gun-found-in-prison-hidden-inside-football-i-team/

You're not seriously taking the position that the defining characteristic of a prison is that there are clandestine guns there?

I didn't take that position. You took the position that guns in schools doesn't make them prison-like, but having weapons detectors does. You need to substantiate your claim. Not me.

Most people don't think airports are prison-like and we have weapons detectors and body scanners there too. But for some reason, for you, the weapons detector is an unviable solution for schools because it equates to some vague criteria you've failed to define that makes it "prison-like."

The ball is in your court.

And the weapons detectors and body scanners make airports prison-like.

"We have security theater here, and people are ok with that, so people should be ok with security theater there too" is not much of an argument.

I think you're very much on your own with thinking airports = prisons.

I didn't think I should take you seriously before, but I wanted to see if there was sign of life in your twisted mind, but the answer is no.

Thanks for playing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this has been discussed/voted on in recent years? Do some schools already have them? What would be the most effective ways for parents to help make this happen?

Useless. Too many portables. No secure entrance.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if this has been discussed/voted on in recent years? Do some schools already have them? What would be the most effective ways for parents to help make this happen?

Jack Smith sent this memo to the board in 2018:
https://www2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/siteassets/district/boe/meetings/memorandum/180926-cost-install-metal-detectors-08-30-18-05.pdf

"A recent report in the Los Angeles Unified School District found that the metal detection system was ineffective compared to other security measures and had a negative impact on school climate. This report recommended removal of the metal detection systems in that district."

[Anonymous]

I think the answer is that we hold parents responsible if their kid shows up with a weapon. That would mean though that if a parent calls the police and states that their child has a weapon, the police need to do something about it.

If the parent isn't aware that their child is hanging around people from whom they are able to secure a weapon, then yes, that is neglect. If they are working so much that they don't have oversight of their kids, that is neglect. Where is the money coming from? How are the kids getting it? If a parent looks close enough the answers are there.

[Anonymous]

I have a friend who is LEO who operates metal detectors. He said they are actually challenging to operate correctly and require trained workers. The County is short on police, sheriffs to do courthouse security, and McPS security….where are they going to get the trained officers to run all these metal detectors? Some studies showed TSA misses the majority of weapons and I guarantee that the equipment and staffing McPS could get would be seriously inferior to TSA.

I support bringing back SROs and increasing security so that there is a security officer in each HS hallway as well as most doorways. I just don’t think metal detectors work well, and don’t want my kids to have to get up an hour earlier so they can stand in long lines while 3000 kids go through a metal detector. (And anyone that wants to shoot a kid could just do it while they are walking to a portable or eating lunch outside.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:People don’t want them, particularly if they are not part of a comprehensive security plan that doesn’t paint all kids as potential criminals. Why? Because metal deter and clear backpacks are not a new novel idea. Plenty of places have already tried this and still have incidents happen.

There aren’t metal detectors on every door entrance at colleges/universities? Neither do they exist at all private schools?

Most of the problems seen in schools start outside of school. Mental health, food insecurity, politics as a sport instead of governing, gangs, etc etc. If we dealt with societal issues instead of hiding and kicking the can down the road then what goes on in schools would be education.

You live in La-La Land, not reality.

Morgan State and Bowie State University are considering measures like walls, cameras and weapons detectors after two devastating shootings ruined their homecomings last month, which include adding more walls/fencing to the physical campus and a clear bag policy for events and "More enhanced technology to enable campus law enforcement to detect and identify any individual on campus with a weapon":

https://www.morgan.edu/news/campus-safety-enhancements

The long-term societal issues you propose we address, which aren't coupled with targeted, specific solutions and lack a timeline, don't help with the short-term needs for safety and security of staff and students next week.

What is your proposal to make the building safety next week, while you work on curing the underlying poverty and home-based trauma that is outside of the remit of the school district to solve and on an indefinite timeline?

Metal detectors and clear bags have been tried in schools across the country and guess what… still guns, still mass shootings and everything else that goes along with it. Nothing is going to make schools safe next week and I’m not naive to believe it so.

All airports aren’t fully the same after billions of dollars in investment and years of time. They’ve added metal detectors, body and bag scanners, police officers circling around, dogs sniffing people while they stand in line and limiting what people can carry on.

People on this forum already complain about what time kids have to be to school. What time do you think they’ll need to be there if everyone has to pass nicely through metal detectors every morning? Will they have to clear a checkpoint when exiting and entering to go to portables? How will the portables be secured? Etc etc. And did someone somewhere agree to provide millions of dollars for all these new metal detectors and the people and maintenance that needs to go with them???

Oh and btw the short term needs that students and teachers are most suffering from us students already in school with behavior and control challenges. How might metal detectors help that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't want metal detectors in MCPS schools.

I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People don’t want them, particularly if they are not part of a comprehensive security plan that doesn’t paint all kids as potential criminals. Why? Because metal deter and clear backpacks are not a new novel idea. Plenty of places have already tried this and still have incidents happen.

There aren’t metal detectors on every door entrance at colleges/universities? Neither do they exist at all private schools?

Most of the problems seen in schools start outside of school. Mental health, food insecurity, politics as a sport instead of governing, gangs, etc etc. If we dealt with societal issues instead of hiding and kicking the can down the road then what goes on in schools would be education.

You live in La-La Land, not reality.

Morgan State and Bowie State University are considering measures like walls, cameras and weapons detectors after two devastating shootings ruined their homecomings last month, which include adding more walls/fencing to the physical campus and a clear bag policy for events and "More enhanced technology to enable campus law enforcement to detect and identify any individual on campus with a weapon":

https://www.morgan.edu/news/campus-safety-enhancements

The long-term societal issues you propose we address, which aren't coupled with targeted, specific solutions and lack a timeline, don't help with the short-term needs for safety and security of staff and students next week.

What is your proposal to make the building safety next week, while you work on curing the underlying poverty and home-based trauma that is outside of the remit of the school district to solve and on an indefinite timeline?

Metal detectors and clear bags have been tried in schools across the country and guess what… still guns, still mass shootings and everything else that goes along with it. Nothing is going to make schools safe next week and I’m not naive to believe it so.

All airports aren’t fully the same after billions of dollars in investment and years of time. They’ve added metal detectors, body and bag scanners, police officers circling around, dogs sniffing people while they stand in line and limiting what people can carry on.

People on this forum already complain about what time kids have to be to school. What time do you think they’ll need to be there if everyone has to pass nicely through metal detectors every morning? Will they have to clear a checkpoint when exiting and entering to go to portables? How will the portables be secured? Etc etc. And did someone somewhere agree to provide millions of dollars for all these new metal detectors and the people and maintenance that needs to go with them???

Oh and btw the short term needs that students and teachers are most suffering from us students already in school with behavior and control challenges. How might metal detectors help that?

Anything is better than nothing and the do nothing approach isn't working.