B STUDENTS ARE FINE!!

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Anonymous wrote:LISTEN UP! B students are fine! B students will go to college and be successful!! B students will receive scholarships!

Stop calling your kids that!

They are fine!

Signed-A B student who is now a pharmacist!

Unhelpful…unless you applied to competitive colleges in the last 3 years.

Are you talking about T25 colleges? They were always difficult for a B students. If not, can you name some colleges (not in the T25) that you think are competitive right now?

USC, GTech, NYU....

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Anonymous wrote:While B students will be fine, please don’t compare the current college application and selection process to when you went to school. It’s completely different now.

Why? There are less 18 year olds than in past years. And fewer applicants send in 5 times as many applications since online common applications happened.

The extremely competitive schools only account for less than 5% of college students.

According to Pew Research the majority of colleges admit most applicants. They looked at 1,364 four-year colleges and universities. “ half of the schools in the sample (53.3%) admitted two-thirds or more of their applicants in 2017, including such well-known names as St. John’s University in New York (67.7%), Virginia Tech (70.1%), Quinnipiac University (73.9%), the University of Missouri at Columbia (78.1%) and George Mason University (81.3%).”

It’s said every year that it’s the hardest year yet but the truth is there is a college for anyone who wants to go. It’s finding the one that’s best for the student and affordable that makes it hard.



https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/04/09/a-majority-of-u-s-colleges-admit-most-students-who-apply/

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Last year, some of my son's peers were rejected from UMD with a 4.4 weighted GPA. My son had a 4.6 weighted GPA, a dozen AP courses with scores of 5, 35 ACT and got into Honors college.

So.

Word to the wise. A "B" these days isn't that great.

Disagree. A B is still great. It just makes college admissions tougher.

It really doesn’t. Instead of the top Ivy Leagues you are focusing on hundreds of options.

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Anonymous wrote:Lol. A B student wouldn't get into my run of the mill state school these days. How is that not a problem?

I think it just goes to show how crazy college admissions is these days.

I went to a middling no name state u back in the day. They used to admit almost everyone. Now? goodness.. the acceptance rate is like 60%. It's nuts.

Same, in my experience. I had a weighted 4.0, but my unweighted B average GPA (honors classes + PE, health, drivers ed, etc. weren't counted) wouldn't have gotten me in. Definitely crazy, and yes, it means there's cause for concern. My freshman DD really wants to go to Michigan as her parents did, but...

My kid applied to Umich - probably would've been waitlisted as they reached out to DC, but DC declined to be put on the wait list.

Stats:
magnet program
wgpa 4.95; unwgpa 4.0
1580 SAT
12+ AP exams, all 5s except 2. I lost count on how many AP exams they took, but they got like 60 credits going into college.

so... yea. B students might be "fine", but admissions to colleges that many parents had gone to with a B wgpa is not the same anymore.

She met all the requirements for admission. Why do you think she didn’t get in? What did she choose instead? Something warmer hopefully.

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Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.

My daughter was wondering if these certification programs offer merit?

The top schools for these programs are state community colleges. They have a lot to s choose from and you can be licensed in a number of fields. If she loves one of them she could continue to the four year state school and they will accept her credits.

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Had a student who got As and Bs (and, gasp, a couple Cs) in the most rigorous academic level of a private HS. Several APs and good standardized test score. Got into every engineering program applied to and received an engineering-specific scholarship to a large SEC school. While many have changed majors, student feels that HS was adequate preparation. All this to say that HS grade inflation and academic rigor matter.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS had a 3.1 GPA from FPCS but got recruited to play Lacrosse at a P5 school. My other DS, 4.4 GPA with 1600 on the SAT, attended Yale, and that was eight years ago. The 3.1 GPA DS is currently making around 750K/year while the other Yale's DS is making 105K/year. IMHO, it is not about the school, it is how you make it while you are there. It is the EQ that matters.

Can you talk about what he did in college, grades, grad school and what he does now to earn $750K/yr. Want to use that to motivate my low stats kid

He studied finance in college because it was considered one of the so-called "easier" majors that most P5 athletes chose because of the amount of time they had to train for their sports.  However, he also knew that "networking" is much more important than both the GPA and what you majored in.  He was also very careful with whom he wanted to hang out with.  One of his best buddies was his roommate who wasn't a lacrosse player but loved to hang out with athletes and DS took advantage of it.  The roommate's mother is a big shot at a FinTech company and gave DS an internship where she worked at the time.  During his internship, DS became friends with a SVP of the company and the SVP became his mentor.  When the SVP left the company and joined another FinTech as an EVP, he called DS, who just graduated, to join him at the new firm and mentored for the first five years in three different positions.  The EVP recently left his position to join another firm as a CFO and took DS along with him for the ride.  DS is now a SVP at the new firm, reporting directly to the CFO, and he is making 750K at the age of twenty eight.  The CFO said this to him:  In an important position, your EQ is much more important than IQ.

My other DS, who graduated from Yale, is making 105K per year, is about to join the same company and he will be reporting to his younger brother.

This is the stupidest story I’ve ever read, down to the inclusion of “networking,” big shot in FinTech mom, and the loser Ivy son who will be reporting to his own brother! Congrats for taking the idiots on this forum for a ride though.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS had a 3.1 GPA from FPCS but got recruited to play Lacrosse at a P5 school. My other DS, 4.4 GPA with 1600 on the SAT, attended Yale, and that was eight years ago. The 3.1 GPA DS is currently making around 750K/year while the other Yale's DS is making 105K/year. IMHO, it is not about the school, it is how you make it while you are there. It is the EQ that matters.

Can you talk about what he did in college, grades, grad school and what he does now to earn $750K/yr. Want to use that to motivate my low stats kid

He studied finance in college because it was considered one of the so-called "easier" majors that most P5 athletes chose because of the amount of time they had to train for their sports.  However, he also knew that "networking" is much more important than both the GPA and what you majored in.  He was also very careful with whom he wanted to hang out with.  One of his best buddies was his roommate who wasn't a lacrosse player but loved to hang out with athletes and DS took advantage of it.  The roommate's mother is a big shot at a FinTech company and gave DS an internship where she worked at the time.  During his internship, DS became friends with a SVP of the company and the SVP became his mentor.  When the SVP left the company and joined another FinTech as an EVP, he called DS, who just graduated, to join him at the new firm and mentored for the first five years in three different positions.  The EVP recently left his position to join another firm as a CFO and took DS along with him for the ride.  DS is now a SVP at the new firm, reporting directly to the CFO, and he is making 750K at the age of twenty eight.  The CFO said this to him:  In an important position, your EQ is much more important than IQ.

My other DS, who graduated from Yale, is making 105K per year, is about to join the same company and he will be reporting to his younger brother.

This is the stupidest story I’ve ever read, down to the inclusion of “networking,” big shot in FinTech mom, and the loser Ivy son who will be reporting to his own brother! Congrats for taking the idiots on this forum for a ride though.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody said they weren't "fine". But, it doesn't make sense to pay up the nose for an expensive college where the ROI isn't there.

-signed a parent of an A and B student

I don't think my kids need to "earn" my investment in them. My younger child is a stronger student than my older child, but they both deserve an equal share of what we're able to pay for college. If anything, the weaker student needs a smaller environment where she can more easily get to know professors. My stronger student would likely thrive in the larger environment of a big state university.

+1
I think you set yourself up for lifetime relationship issues/sibling tensions if you start saying one kid "deserves" more based on their academic achievements. Doesn't mean you have to spend the same on them--but the choice should be balancing between what suits their needs best and what you can afford.

+1. And sucres in HS is not indicative of career success. That’s a myopic view to take and will damage the relationship. I have three kids and they all have strengths and weaknesses. I want them to thrive. ROI is them thriving.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope I only ever need the 80-89%% of the medicines you can dispense properly.

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Anonymous wrote:LISTEN UP! B students are fine! B students will go to college and be successful!! B students will receive scholarships!

Stop calling your kids that!

They are fine!

Signed-A B student who is now a pharmacist!

I agree. Signed A+ student

You apparently haven't kept up and don't know how ferociously competitive it has become to get into a good school

Depends on what you mean by good school. My DD just got into a school ranked 60th by USNWR. We are thrilled. She will absolutely get a great education there.

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Anonymous wrote:Had a student who got As and Bs (and, gasp, a couple Cs) in the most rigorous academic level of a private HS. Several APs and good standardized test score. Got into every engineering program applied to and received an engineering-specific scholarship to a large SEC school. While many have changed majors, student feels that HS was adequate preparation. All this to say that HS grade inflation and academic rigor matter.

+1 same with my DS, but applied for CS and got merit at 4/5 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.

I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?

Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.

I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.

We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.

See that's the thing, you're trying to say that kids with bad grades should be in the trades. I would argue that they're not getting A's because they don't want to be studying European History and would prefer to be in different trades. Some kids prefer hands on things and would be making A's in those classes. They aren't lesser. I personally am not mechanically inclined and I would be flunking out of auto body shop, but some people would excel there.

NOT at ALL....I'm saying we should NOT force kids onto a vo-tech track just because of poor performance in school (as is done in much of Europe and India---a test around age 11/12 determines your future academics and there's no way around it easily). Let the kids direct what they want to learn, and yes many would be A students in vo-tech and more hands on learning, so let them do that. We need HVAC and mechanics. Just look at how long you wait for a service call and how much you pay. Toss in some business classes along with the hands on learning and business math/statistics/excel programming and it will be much more useful and enjoyable for some kids who want that. I've heard of way too many kids struggling with Spanish 1/2/3 and Algebra 2 because they are statewide graduation requirements in many areas. While learning a language is great, it's not productive for a kid who struggles to get a C in regular English, is dyslexic or has processing issues, etc. So let's stop requiring them to take those courses and find better fit/more productive learning environment for them.

DP: Also, it is incredibly dull to suggest that a kid who gets a Cs in advanced math and Ds in Latin is probably good working with his hands and should go into HVAC. There are plenty of majors that don't require proficiency in calc or second languages.

And to the PP, not all schools are "giving out As like candy." There are plenty of schools around with hard curves and B students getting over 1400 on the SATs. They should not be relegated to non-academic tracks, for crying out loud. They are better educated than your A student with 1150.

Not saying a kid "who gets a Cs in advanced math and Ds in Latin is probably good working with hands". Just saying it should be an option for kids and encouraged more. Plenty of kids would learn more with "hands on learning"--so math learned with applications to real life situations, rather than Algebra 2 in book form. Or yes, lets stop pushing "stem or bust" and let them explore what interests them. But for a kid who is in regular math and reg English and struggling with them, unless they really want to learn a foreign language, perhaps it would be better to let them take something that interests them---be it "hvac, plumbing, woodworking, or anything else" than Latin or Spanish.

And they can. What public schools don't have this option already?

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Anonymous wrote:B students might be fine but they should think about paths other than college. c students should go to certification programs.

I have never met someone in real life that thinks B students are not college bound. Are you from another country that tracks kids into college/no college during high school?

Are you a parent? It's not like when we were in school. They give out A's like candy now. There's a whole wide world out there and college degrees aren't going to be as required as they were for Genx and millienials. C students are basically the lowest grades. They aren't failing kids anymore.

I'm American and I think we should have more tracks for kids. More tracks that show them good jobs that don't require student loans and student debt. Instead we just have college educated barristas with student loan debt.

We definately need to encourage the services tracks---HVAC/Plumbing/Auto Mechanics/etc. But we do. NOT need to put kids on those tracks in MS/HS because of "bad grades" or not doing well on a standardized test.

See that's the thing, you're trying to say that kids with bad grades should be in the trades. I would argue that they're not getting A's because they don't want to be studying European History and would prefer to be in different trades. Some kids prefer hands on things and would be making A's in those classes. They aren't lesser. I personally am not mechanically inclined and I would be flunking out of auto body shop, but some people would excel there.

NOT at ALL....I'm saying we should NOT force kids onto a vo-tech track just because of poor performance in school (as is done in much of Europe and India---a test around age 11/12 determines your future academics and there's no way around it easily). Let the kids direct what they want to learn, and yes many would be A students in vo-tech and more hands on learning, so let them do that. We need HVAC and mechanics. Just look at how long you wait for a service call and how much you pay. Toss in some business classes along with the hands on learning and business math/statistics/excel programming and it will be much more useful and enjoyable for some kids who want that. I've heard of way too many kids struggling with Spanish 1/2/3 and Algebra 2 because they are statewide graduation requirements in many areas. While learning a language is great, it's not productive for a kid who struggles to get a C in regular English, is dyslexic or has processing issues, etc. So let's stop requiring them to take those courses and find better fit/more productive learning environment for them.

DP: Also, it is incredibly dull to suggest that a kid who gets a Cs in advanced math and Ds in Latin is probably good working with his hands and should go into HVAC. There are plenty of majors that don't require proficiency in calc or second languages.

And to the PP, not all schools are "giving out As like candy." There are plenty of schools around with hard curves and B students getting over 1400 on the SATs. They should not be relegated to non-academic tracks, for crying out loud. They are better educated than your A student with 1150.

Not saying a kid "who gets a Cs in advanced math and Ds in Latin is probably good working with hands". Just saying it should be an option for kids and encouraged more. Plenty of kids would learn more with "hands on learning"--so math learned with applications to real life situations, rather than Algebra 2 in book form. Or yes, lets stop pushing "stem or bust" and let them explore what interests them. But for a kid who is in regular math and reg English and struggling with them, unless they really want to learn a foreign language, perhaps it would be better to let them take something that interests them---be it "hvac, plumbing, woodworking, or anything else" than Latin or Spanish.

And they can. What public schools don't have this option already?

Isn’t foreign language required in public schools?

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Anonymous wrote:LISTEN UP! B students are fine! B students will go to college and be successful!! B students will receive scholarships!

Stop calling your kids that!

They are fine!

Signed-A B student who is now a pharmacist!

Unhelpful…unless you applied to competitive colleges in the last 3 years.

Are you talking about T25 colleges? They were always difficult for a B students. If not, can you name some colleges (not in the T25) that you think are competitive right now?

USC, GTech, NYU....

Also the Boston schools - Tufts, BC, BU, NU