Where do the kids who used to feed into the Ivy League go now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

People who used to go to Ivys are NOT going to Elon. Northeastern, yes. ELon, no.

Smartest, sharpest, most strategic colleague I ever had is an Elon grad. And I've had a lot of colleagues over the years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects going to Stanford and MIT. lol

The reality is that many Stanford/MIT rejects end up at the bottom of the T25: Columbia, USC, and the like.

These schools are the sweet spot for strivers with good grades but nothing special otherwise.

what does this even mean? lots of "rejects" to HYPSM end up in the bottom of T25, if lucky.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

L O L nobody is going to Elon or Northeastern instead of Harvard

The poster wasn't saying folks were passing up Harvard for Elon or NEU, but that applicants not getting into HYPSM may end up such schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon

No one is going to Oberlin. No one. And Howard is not even close to VA Tech. No one would trade down just for HB

You clearly do not know anyone who is Black. Anyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

I know kids of dual Ivy grads who are matriculating at:

Syracuse
Bucknell
Penn State
Oregon

Once you miss the legacy spot you're in the pool with the masses and it can be a total crap shoot.

Did those dual Ivy grads kids’ have smart grandparents?

The above could be just mean reversion — ie dual Ivy grad mom and dad were the outliers and kids reverting back to the long run family level

Probably some of this. My spouses parents met at a top tier ivy; they had 5 kids and only two were as smart as the parents. Neither of them actually went to Ian ivy, although one did get accepted. Two were a solid step down in terms of brains, and one was only slightly above average.

Ouch for your spouse!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

L O L nobody is going to Elon or Northeastern instead of Harvard

The poster wasn't saying folks were passing up Harvard for Elon or NEU, but that applicants not getting into HYPSM may end up such schools.

So you think people who apply to Columbia decide that they actually prefer Elon?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A simple explanation is that the ivies are losing their edge, and that there are lots of good schools these days.

Are they? The most competitive employers still heavily ivy grads and ivy grads are over represented in top ranked graduate programs

Why on earth are you ranking employers as if every college student is applying for the exact same job at the exact same company.

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Anonymous wrote:A simple explanation is that the ivies are losing their edge, and that there are lots of good schools these days.

Are they? The most competitive employers still heavily ivy grads and ivy grads are over represented in top ranked graduate programs

Majority of top 10 schools on USNWR are not ivy

4 out of 10 and 2 out of the top 3 being ivy doesn't seem top be making the point you want to make.

Top 3 vary substantially year to year.

The fact is that most top schools are not ivy.

Half of the ivy league is top 10, a quarter are top 3. Only in DCUM land would that mean the ivy league isn't prestigious anymore

Was the bottom half ever prestigious?

. No, there were not anywhere near prestigious in my day, admittedly a long time ago. Dartmouth really was like Animal House, and schools like Amherst and Wellesley were considered to be quite a bit better.

Dartmouth was sought after school for affluent families going back to the late 19th century. To be a Dartmouth man meant something. It didn't emerge from nowhere. Brown had a solid reputation and an old history. Cornell and Penn were known for graduate programs. But it was also a different world altogether with a very different understanding of colleges and their roles. By the 1930s the Ivies were coalescing into broadly recognized as the elite colleges for America's elite. If anything, I'd suggest the elite LACs have lost ground in the race for elitism.

Can you say more here - don't get your point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

The top Catholics have picked up more former Ivy students. In fact, many many students at top Catholic HSs don't even apply to Ivies and don't want to engage in the BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon

No one is going to Oberlin. No one. And Howard is not even close to VA Tech. No one would trade down just for HB

You clearly do not know anyone who is Black. Anyone.

DP: pls drop the casual racism, and discuss the topic if you can.

How is that "casual racism"?

It's not uncommon for many Black parents, especially UMC/affluent, to want their kids to attend an HBCU for undergrad. I easily know ten individuals, maybe more, from both my HS and jobs over the years, who attended HBCUs, mainly Howard, Hampton, Spelman, and Morehouse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

People who used to go to Ivys are NOT going to Elon. Northeastern, yes. ELon, no.

Smartest, sharpest, most strategic colleague I ever had is an Elon grad. And I've had a lot of colleagues over the years.

Do you work at Starbucks or Walmart ?

Seriously?

Sincerely,
Ivy grad and alum of top international/DC orgs

This forum is trolled by HS kids and nutter grandparents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

The top Catholics have picked up more former Ivy students. In fact, many many students at top Catholic HSs don't even apply to Ivies and don't want to engage in the BS.

That has been true for a long time. I don't think our Catholic school has ever had more than 11 applicants to Ivy schools in a given year. Even my public high school in a different area shows from their data that the top Catholic students do not apply to the Ivies. That said, I think the data also shows that some Ivy schools are showing an increase the Catholic student enrollment (not intentionally, just what the data shows). Example, while Princeton would not admit Catholics in the early years of the 20th century, they are now almost 25% of all students and the largest religious group on campus. Yale is also up to 25% and Harvard 22% (also the largest group).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

People who used to go to Ivys are NOT going to Elon. Northeastern, yes. ELon, no.

Smartest, sharpest, most strategic colleague I ever had is an Elon grad. And I've had a lot of colleagues over the years.

Do you work at Starbucks or Walmart ?

Seriously?

Sincerely,
Ivy grad and alum of top international/DC orgs

This forum is trolled by HS kids and nutter grandparents.

Thank you for self identifying.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

People who used to go to Ivys are NOT going to Elon. Northeastern, yes. ELon, no.

Smartest, sharpest, most strategic colleague I ever had is an Elon grad. And I've had a lot of colleagues over the years.

Do you work at Starbucks or Walmart ?

Seriously?

Sincerely,
Ivy grad and alum of top international/DC orgs

This forum is trolled by HS kids and nutter grandparents.

Thank you for self identifying.

^^ great example

[Anonymous]

I’ve seen from a DMV private rice, gtown, jhu, uva, usc, tufts.