Do you love your children more than your pets?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PP who thinks her pain is the same as the pain of a mother who has lost a child, SHAME ON YOU. That is all.

🙄🙄

Cope.

Stated like a sad sack who doesn’t have kids but hangs out on a parenting website.

There's an infertility support forum on this website, a--hole. As well as many others.

[Anonymous]

Love is complicated and not everyone experiences it the same way. If someone says that they love their children and pets equally, who are we to judge? People don't run out of love to give.
Loss can be complicated as well. People have all different kinds of feelings toward their family members, even their own children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

If you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

[Anonymous]

Absolutely. I love YOUR children more than I love my pets. Human life matters most. I'd toss any dog into an alligator pit to save any of your children. I don't care how much you love your pet - their life is simply not as valuable as that of a human. I have four rescue pets and I absolutely adore each and every one. I spend tons of money to keep them healthy, happy, and safe. But if one bites my kid? If my kid develops and allergy? Those pets are gone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

Because treating dogs as the equivalent of children is over all bad for society. It’s how we end up with this thread, for example. It’s why we now have to deal with people dragging their dogs into the grocery store, doctors offices, restaurants, etc and wanting to use children’s play grounds to let their dog run off leash.

There are so many other ways a childless person could contribute to society but treating a dog like an actual child isn’t one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol yes. It is wild how quickly after having kids a dog becomes just a dog. Not to say the pet isn't loved or cared for but it is so different. I truly don't know anyone who feels differently.

This.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. I love YOUR children more than I love my pets. Human life matters most. I'd toss any dog into an alligator pit to save any of your children. I don't care how much you love your pet - their life is simply not as valuable as that of a human. I have four rescue pets and I absolutely adore each and every one. I spend tons of money to keep them healthy, happy, and safe. But if one bites my kid? If my kid develops and allergy? Those pets are gone.

Slow clap. Here is the right answer!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

Because treating dogs as the equivalent of children is over all bad for society. It’s how we end up with this thread, for example. It’s why we now have to deal with people dragging their dogs into the grocery store, doctors offices, restaurants, etc and wanting to use children’s play grounds to let their dog run off leash.

There are so many other ways a childless person could contribute to society but treating a dog like an actual child isn’t one.

That's an assh--le problem, same as people who litter and don't stop at stop signs. It has nothing to do with people seeing their dogs as children or even with not having children. People do things like that because they're entitled and think rules don't apply to them, not because they equate their pet to a child.
I don't understand the leap from "that dude has his dog with him at the grocery store" to "that dude is treating his dog like a child". That dude is just a d-ck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

Great post.

The answer?

Irony of ironies: They’re insecure about their choice to become mothers.

[PP]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol yes. It is wild how quickly after having kids a dog becomes just a dog. Not to say the pet isn't loved or cared for but it is so different. I truly don't know anyone who feels differently.

+3 (or 4? Not sure of current count.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

That pp is hateful, but mostly, I think this thread just shows that there are different fundamental approaches to love. Some people are just extremely loving. They give love freely and love many. Other people have strict criteria for who is deserving of their love. They limit it to a very small inner circle. There is no right or wrong here, just different personality types.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This argument is so pointless and mean minded too. You ladies want to hold out some kind of moral superiority for the way you love your children and are acting as though you are blind to the obvious reality that billions of people don’t love their kids all that much or else we wouldn’t have billions of abused and formerly abused children walking this earth.

‘Love’ is a feeling created by hormones and neurons in a complex reaction in the human brain. There is nothing moral about it.

Of course humans can experience the same exact complex reaction in their brains about animals or other humans unrelated to them etc.

Just like spawning doesn’t automatically compel a human to healthy parenting, it doesn’t automatically confer a greater capacity for experiencing ‘love’ in the human brain than exists in human brains whose bodies never spawn. All certitude to the contrary is just made up social convention BS, no matter how vehemently you believe it or preach it.

Science, ladies.

👆🏽👆🏽👆🏽Exactly this.

A lot of the mothers on this website have this inherent need to use their motherhood as a throne upon which they sit and judge other women.

It reeks of insecurity, and it’s just stupid.

And they do it to women who are infertile, which is unbelievably cruel.

f you use a dog as a surrogate child you deserve all the derision that is heaped on you. I don’t care if it’s because you’re infertile.

Also you talk about “spawning” like it’s nothing special but the cold truth is that not everyone who wants to can get pregnant and carry the pregnancy to term

Okay so you made not just one, but two comments to reiterate how special and sometimes difficult it is to give birth to a child and STILL crap all over women who can't....because they might love their dogs. On a pet forum.

My question is why? You're the winner who gets to be a real mother! You're not some sad woman who never got to experience this amazing thing, and maybe spent many terrible years and all her money trying. So you see this tragic woman who couldn't do this special thing that not everyone can do, but you could do, and maybe she's cuddling her dog who she seems to really really love. And let's assume that she loves her dog so much not because she just loves her dog but because she doesn't have children too. You think that this sad lady deserves...derision. Heaped on her.

You're right, being a mother is a very special thing. And you're right that not everyone can do it. This is a cold, hard truth. And so you feel that a woman who has to live with this truth, and happens to love her pet, deserves not understanding, or grace, or even some pity, but scorn.

Are you the kind of person who kicks a sleeping man in the nuts when you walk past him? Because I truly don't understand this thinking. You've won! You're a real mother! The most negative thing that you should feel toward the "losers" is pity. But for some reason you're angry and hateful.

That pp is hateful, but mostly, I think this thread just shows that there are different fundamental approaches to love. Some people are just extremely loving. They give love freely and love many. Other people have strict criteria for who is deserving of their love. They limit it to a very small inner circle. There is no right or wrong here, just different personality types.

That PP is very hateful and I recognize their posting style. They're usually ranting about dog strollers here and don't seem to understand things like aging pets with cancer who want to be out and giving them a nice life. It is BEYOND unfathomable that some of us treat our pets like family. Frankly, really unhinged. (I have kids and pets, before PP comes to call me a pathetic barren spinster). Jeff would have to confirm but I suspect this might also be one of the posters who is planning on disinheriting any of their kids who don't give them grandchildren. Small circle indeed, with very strict criteria! I don't know what kind of mother this person is, but her commitment to "punching down" doesn't say kind things. (Love to go around type, here).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lol yes. It is wild how quickly after having kids a dog becomes just a dog. Not to say the pet isn't loved or cared for but it is so different. I truly don't know anyone who feels differently.

+3 (or 4? Not sure of current count.)

I feel differently. I had premature twins and a traumatic birth, with PPD. My dogs were there for me in a really tough time. Often the hour or so I could spend on the couch with them decompressing and winding down was what I most looked forward to the most on any given day. Having to bring them out for walks and runs and seeing their joy made me happy when I was otherwise fairly miserable and got me out of the house. Do I love them MORE? No, but I don't quantify love like that. Did they become, "just dogs?" absolutely not.