Why are young people old?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are you recruiting upper class folks with trust funds? You need to recruit hungrier people who may have attended less expensive schools with merit aid.

Oh shut it with hungrier. Even those people (oh I was one) know their worth and won’t put up with bs

Yep, plus there are different ways to achieve financial goals or grind even if you don't have a trust fund. Step back at the day job and focus on side hustle, for one.

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Anonymous wrote:Graduated in 1993 and has a 10 year old? Ouch.

Where do you live? It’s not at all uncommon for women in the DMV to have babies in their early 40s. A 1993 graduate with a 10-year-old had the child at 42.

1992 graduate with 12 year old and 5 year old.

Do not care about promotion. I am
a GS-14 and I don’t want more money for more BS.

Same age, but GS15. I’d be glad to work hard and get promoted, but I can’t. The SES positions are rare, we usually only hire from outside, and it’s only a little bit more $. So yeah, May as well coast to retirement since there’s no reward for harder work.

I’m a career SES, my base salary is $212,000, my bonus is around $22,000 annually and I have a 720 hour cap on my annual leave, which I will cash out when I retire. It’s much better than my GS15 compensation.

Whether it’s “much better” depends on HHI, what your spouse is doing. A 50k difference is not a lot to many people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Graduated in 1993 and has a 10 year old? Ouch.

Where do you live? It’s not at all uncommon for women in the DMV to have babies in their early 40s. A 1993 graduate with a 10-year-old had the child at 42.

1992 graduate with 12 year old and 5 year old.

Do not care about promotion. I am
a GS-14 and I don’t want more money for more BS.

Same age, but GS15. I’d be glad to work hard and get promoted, but I can’t. The SES positions are rare, we usually only hire from outside, and it’s only a little bit more $. So yeah, May as well coast to retirement since there’s no reward for harder work.

I’m a career SES, my base salary is $212,000, my bonus is around $22,000 annually and I have a 720 hour cap on my annual leave, which I will cash out when I retire. It’s much better than my GS15 compensation.

Whether it’s “much better” depends on HHI, what your spouse is doing. A 50k difference is not a lot to many people.

+1 and "much better" is very relative in terms of the work-life balance of a non-supervisory GS-15 (that's me) vs SES running an office and getting a lot of demands from politicals, running a budget, etc. No thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Graduated in 1993 and has a 10 year old? Ouch.

Where do you live? It’s not at all uncommon for women in the DMV to have babies in their early 40s. A 1993 graduate with a 10-year-old had the child at 42.

1992 graduate with 12 year old and 5 year old.

Do not care about promotion. I am
a GS-14 and I don’t want more money for more BS.

Same age, but GS15. I’d be glad to work hard and get promoted, but I can’t. The SES positions are rare, we usually only hire from outside, and it’s only a little bit more $. So yeah, May as well coast to retirement since there’s no reward for harder work.

I’m a career SES, my base salary is $212,000, my bonus is around $22,000 annually and I have a 720 hour cap on my annual leave, which I will cash out when I retire. It’s much better than my GS15 compensation.

Whether it’s “much better” depends on HHI, what your spouse is doing. A 50k difference is not a lot to many people.

+1 and "much better" is very relative in terms of the work-life balance of a non-supervisory GS-15 (that's me) vs SES running an office and getting a lot of demands from politicals, running a budget, etc. No thanks.

There is no better deal than a non supervisory GS15, absolutely. In my situation I was managing a lot of people as a GS15 and am doing about the same as an SES for $50k per year more every year. It was definitely the right move.

[Anonymous]

Maybe people don't want to buy into the ridiculous grinder culture anymore because it's not worth it?

My grandfather (WWII generation) was the second in command in a Cabinet agency in the 1970s and 80s. He worked 40 hours a week and said he always wondered why people who stayed late couldn't get their work done more efficiently. In the mid-1970s, average billables at large law firms were 1300.

This obsession with facetime and long hours as a moral virtue started with Boomers. The rest of us see no value in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maybe people don't want to buy into the ridiculous grinder culture anymore because it's not worth it?

My grandfather (WWII generation) was the second in command in a Cabinet agency in the 1970s and 80s. He worked 40 hours a week and said he always wondered why people who stayed late couldn't get their work done more efficiently. In the mid-1970s, average billables at large law firms were 1300.

This obsession with facetime and long hours as a moral virtue started with Boomers. The rest of us see no value in it.

Maybe the obsession with facetime and long hours started as a way to set apart men from women in the workforce, as more women started working and competing with men, and to justify promoting men over women? The messaging became "Ok sure you ladies can work now, but if you want to move up you have to do everything us men do." And the expectation to work long hours and put in facetime started, so women who also had family obligations couldn't keep up, thus justifying the promotion of men over women. Its the proverbial moving the yardstick.

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Anonymous wrote:Graduated in 1993 and has a 10 year old? Ouch.

Where do you live? It’s not at all uncommon for women in the DMV to have babies in their early 40s. A 1993 graduate with a 10-year-old had the child at 42.

1992 graduate with 12 year old and 5 year old.

Do not care about promotion. I am
a GS-14 and I don’t want more money for more BS.

Same age, but GS15. I’d be glad to work hard and get promoted, but I can’t. The SES positions are rare, we usually only hire from outside, and it’s only a little bit more $. So yeah, May as well coast to retirement since there’s no reward for harder work.

I’m a career SES, my base salary is $212,000, my bonus is around $22,000 annually and I have a 720 hour cap on my annual leave, which I will cash out when I retire. It’s much better than my GS15 compensation.

Whether it’s “much better” depends on HHI, what your spouse is doing. A 50k difference is not a lot to many people.

+1 and "much better" is very relative in terms of the work-life balance of a non-supervisory GS-15 (that's me) vs SES running an office and getting a lot of demands from politicals, running a budget, etc. No thanks.

There is no better deal than a non supervisory GS15, absolutely. In my situation I was managing a lot of people as a GS15 and am doing about the same as an SES for $50k per year more every year. It was definitely the right move.

Depends. I was a non sup 14, but running a program. There is no greater hell than having all the responsibility to make a program work, but none of the ability to make any of the people work. I'm now a sup GS14 and loving life. I can hire and fire and can make my program run well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe people don't want to buy into the ridiculous grinder culture anymore because it's not worth it?

My grandfather (WWII generation) was the second in command in a Cabinet agency in the 1970s and 80s. He worked 40 hours a week and said he always wondered why people who stayed late couldn't get their work done more efficiently. In the mid-1970s, average billables at large law firms were 1300.

This obsession with facetime and long hours as a moral virtue started with Boomers. The rest of us see no value in it.

Maybe the obsession with facetime and long hours started as a way to set apart men from women in the workforce, as more women started working and competing with men, and to justify promoting men over women? The messaging became "Ok sure you ladies can work now, but if you want to move up you have to do everything us men do." And the expectation to work long hours and put in facetime started, so women who also had family obligations couldn't keep up, thus justifying the promotion of men over women. Its the proverbial moving the yardstick.

I have noticed some of this. I have a female coworker who works 6am- 3pm. She busts her butt and gets everything done. But people talk about her behind her back because she leaves at 3. Whereas my male colleagues work 10-7pm or 9-6 and everyone praises them for staying late. They openly state that they want to avoid dinner and bath time with their small kids because it's a stressful part of the night. There's no reason they need to be staying so late, they're just fooling their wives.

[Anonymous]

OP - I got that lazy bone class of 2003 on board. I think I his wife fixed his wagon.

So I am giving him a staff or two. Got permission to hire two junior people. Think class of 2019-2022. Told him he can off-board his routine work to staff and focus higher value stuff but he has to manage and make sure they do it. I plan on giving near zero guidance once going. Like my father when he threw me in the pool to teach me to swim. You either swim or drown.

I would have love to be a fly in the wall when this 42 year old told his wife his plans is to lay on coach all day while his wife works full time, scrubs the floors and kids take out college loans as he wants to early retire. He came back to work a new man. With me and wife riding him we will make a man out of him by 50.

Sometimes a block of clay can become a work of art just needs molding.

[Anonymous]

Lay flat is a world wide phenomenon

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe people don't want to buy into the ridiculous grinder culture anymore because it's not worth it?

My grandfather (WWII generation) was the second in command in a Cabinet agency in the 1970s and 80s. He worked 40 hours a week and said he always wondered why people who stayed late couldn't get their work done more efficiently. In the mid-1970s, average billables at large law firms were 1300.

This obsession with facetime and long hours as a moral virtue started with Boomers. The rest of us see no value in it.

Maybe the obsession with facetime and long hours started as a way to set apart men from women in the workforce, as more women started working and competing with men, and to justify promoting men over women? The messaging became "Ok sure you ladies can work now, but if you want to move up you have to do everything us men do." And the expectation to work long hours and put in facetime started, so women who also had family obligations couldn't keep up, thus justifying the promotion of men over women. Its the proverbial moving the yardstick.

I have noticed some of this. I have a female coworker who works 6am- 3pm. She busts her butt and gets everything done. But people talk about her behind her back because she leaves at 3. Whereas my male colleagues work 10-7pm or 9-6 and everyone praises them for staying late. They openly state that they want to avoid dinner and bath time with their small kids because it's a stressful part of the night. There's no reason they need to be staying so late, they're just fooling their wives.

I have external service providers, the men never had any clue what’s going on and blame their xyz team for doing abc. The women are def hands on and responsive. Yet women are labeled as micro managers and men are promoted. I am gonna write the women raving client reviews this year.

[Anonymous]

OP first I look a lot younger than I am and a lot of energy. I have way way too much energy to retire.

For instance tomorrow will leave for work at 745 am, get home work 615, do a quick dinner, going to movies with family, sometimes I go to games after work or happy hour.

when I was remote I was a zombie. Near end I barely did work - depressing.

And btw it is age discrimination to care why I work, I work as I love it, I get paid a lot, my wife and family are on medical plan, I am paying for college, two homes, three cars. We get to travel to all sorts of fun things. My wife and kids get to meet great people.

Who wants to play endless rounds of golf with old people. The Joy of Working is my new book. Do what you love!!

I will beat work ethic into my new hires. And only hiring hungry people. Unemployed, student debt, people close to office, stay at home spouse. And I will make then rich!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP first I look a lot younger than I am and a lot of energy. I have way way too much energy to retire.

For instance tomorrow will leave for work at 745 am, get home work 615, do a quick dinner, going to movies with family, sometimes I go to games after work or happy hour.

when I was remote I was a zombie. Near end I barely did work - depressing.

And btw it is age discrimination to care why I work, I work as I love it, I get paid a lot, my wife and family are on medical plan, I am paying for college, two homes, three cars. We get to travel to all sorts of fun things. My wife and kids get to meet great people.

Who wants to play endless rounds of golf with old people. The Joy of Working is my new book. Do what you love!!

I will beat work ethic into my new hires. And only hiring hungry people. Unemployed, student debt, people close to office, stay at home spouse. And I will make then rich!!

Learn English first

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - I got that lazy bone class of 2003 on board. I think I his wife fixed his wagon.

So I am giving him a staff or two. Got permission to hire two junior people. Think class of 2019-2022. Told him he can off-board his routine work to staff and focus higher value stuff but he has to manage and make sure they do it. I plan on giving near zero guidance once going. Like my father when he threw me in the pool to teach me to swim. You either swim or drown.

I would have love to be a fly in the wall when this 42 year old told his wife his plans is to lay on coach all day while his wife works full time, scrubs the floors and kids take out college loans as he wants to early retire. He came back to work a new man. With me and wife riding him we will make a man out of him by 50.

Sometimes a block of clay can become a work of art just needs molding.

If you are for real you have serious issues, please get some therapy for your apparently unresolved childhood issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe people don't want to buy into the ridiculous grinder culture anymore because it's not worth it?

My grandfather (WWII generation) was the second in command in a Cabinet agency in the 1970s and 80s. He worked 40 hours a week and said he always wondered why people who stayed late couldn't get their work done more efficiently. In the mid-1970s, average billables at large law firms were 1300.

This obsession with facetime and long hours as a moral virtue started with Boomers. The rest of us see no value in it.

Maybe the obsession with facetime and long hours started as a way to set apart men from women in the workforce, as more women started working and competing with men, and to justify promoting men over women? The messaging became "Ok sure you ladies can work now, but if you want to move up you have to do everything us men do." And the expectation to work long hours and put in facetime started, so women who also had family obligations couldn't keep up, thus justifying the promotion of men over women. Its the proverbial moving the yardstick.

I have noticed some of this. I have a female coworker who works 6am- 3pm. She busts her butt and gets everything done. But people talk about her behind her back because she leaves at 3. Whereas my male colleagues work 10-7pm or 9-6 and everyone praises them for staying late. They openly state that they want to avoid dinner and bath time with their small kids because it's a stressful part of the night. There's no reason they need to be staying so late, they're just fooling their wives.

I'm the previous poster who you responded to. I've experienced this myself. I am an attorney and a mom with two kids. I work a full time job and get all my work done, but I typically work 8-4. I get in earlier than all of my colleagues and get all my work done, and I definitely feel judged for leaving before everyone. It was the worst when I worked in a earlier in-house job where there were a lot of men who were previously biglaw attorneys. They all came in around 10 and worked until about 6, and were praised for working such long hours. It was pretty pointless though because the company was a global organization headquartered in Asia, so most of the people we worked with and supported were long gone in the late afternoon, early evening our time. The culture of putting in facetime was very ingrained in them, even if they weren't doing much of anything in the late afternoon.