Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?

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I know quite a few Georgetown students who are faculty kids. I just always assumed that they were accepted because their parent worked at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these speculations about the "many" universities or is there anything official? It's a genuine question

Highly doubt that any university advertises a dependent child “admission bump” as a benefit. If anyone can offer an example of this in writing I’d love to see it.

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It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

Everyone who makes the same salary as an academic, but who is not an academic, has just as a good a reason to have that job as the academics do. There is no reason to privilege academics just because they took a low-paying job over anyone else who took an equally low-paying job.

Different jobs provide benefits from their establishments. Consultants who travel a lot get free airfare or hotel stays from racking up points. This isn’t ‘privilege’. This is a benefit of that type of job. Other sales jobs might give out extra entertainment tickets to professional venues. Schools offer reduced tuition to the employer and their dependents. It’s just a benefit that the institution offers their employees. You can go work for them, too. It sounds like you covet the benefits that they offer. Well, go apply for a job there.

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Yeahhhh, but the crucial difference is that when the assembly line worker gets a good deal on his Chevy Malibu, he’s not keeping someone else from getting a Malibu. If faculty kids do indeed get an admissions bump, they could be taking a spot away from a more-qualified applicant. It’s zero-sum vs. non-zero-sum.

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The number of admissions under any kind of faculty preference is very small—not even close to the number of legacies. This is a non-issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.

It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

This is 100% accurate. I'm a JHU staff member and have been for *mumble* years -- JHU pays for 50% of dependents' undergrad tuition at any accredited school. I have been counting on it in my financial planning and would be royally screwed if that went away! My kid will probably apply to Hopkins because it's a decent fit, but I expect zero admissions boost, just the normal lottery ticket. I assume that perk is reserved for star faculty members. I'm just a middle-level cog.

So you'd be in the exact same position as someone who is not college faculty/staff and makes the same money as you (which is the vast majority of the population)? Cry me a river.

My friend, someone who did it exactly the same job as I do NOT at JHU would be earning a heck of a lot more money and thus be better able to save for their kid’s college. The mythical staff-kid-admission-boost may be unfair, but the actual staff-kid-tuition-break is perfectly fair.

Then go get that job. Most PhD students would kill to land a professor job. You can be replaced although I’m sure you think you are the cat’s meow

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Keep in mind that most professors, even tenured professors, might not make as much as they would have in the "real world". They have a great benefits package, but they would likely earn more working their way up at a corporation. Particularly STEM profs who could have gone to biotechs, and other types of tech firms that could have doubled their pay.

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Anonymous wrote:Are these speculations about the "many" universities or is there anything official? It's a genuine question

I personally know that Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Columbia and Georgetown give a bump in admissions to faculty kids. I have not done any research on the topic but have heard that it is common along with tuition discounts

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Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.

It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

This is 100% accurate. I'm a JHU staff member and have been for *mumble* years -- JHU pays for 50% of dependents' undergrad tuition at any accredited school. I have been counting on it in my financial planning and would be royally screwed if that went away! My kid will probably apply to Hopkins because it's a decent fit, but I expect zero admissions boost, just the normal lottery ticket. I assume that perk is reserved for star faculty members. I'm just a middle-level cog.

I'm hoping for this as well. I make under $100K at JHU (husband makes more elsewhere) but will get $62K per year ($31K each or 50% of JHU tuition) when my twins go to college in 13 months. Neither is applying to JHU (husband and I both went there for grad school but kids are interested in leaving the DMV for school).

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't have a problem with the Children of Faculty admissions and/or tuition perks particularly for private institutions. I think it much the same as any business that offers an employee preference and/or discount. I have worked for both kinds: ones that allowed employees first dibs on a new product or service (often at a discount) and ones that specifically prohibited it. Items or services with limited runs, much like a hard cap on enrollment might be, c/would often sway whether or not employees benefited. What I have never seen (nor am I suggesting college do), is treating one employee differently than another of the same employment level. So, for example, all tenured professors dependents get in but not just Prof A's does while Prof B's doesn't.

At least that's where I sit at the moment but could, as most times, be convinced otherwise. The one (private) university I know of with such a tuition policy has it apply to all full-time employees after a three-year waiting period. And, yes, that includes everyone down to the (full-time) cafeteria and maintenance crew. To the best of my knowledge, though, the dependent must be admitted on their own merits (but I sincerely guess they receive a substantial and positive head-start).

Why should the child get a boost against their peers for their parent's accomplishments?

The whole point of getting rid of AA and legacy boosts are to not discriminate based on immutable characteristics. Parental employment is an immutable characteristic for the child.

What private business do is irrelevant here. Universities are bound by federal law as they take millions in tax money every year in the form of student loans and research grants.

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Anonymous wrote:I actually don't have a problem with the Children of Faculty admissions and/or tuition perks particularly for private institutions. I think it much the same as any business that offers an employee preference and/or discount. I have worked for both kinds: ones that allowed employees first dibs on a new product or service (often at a discount) and ones that specifically prohibited it. Items or services with limited runs, much like a hard cap on enrollment might be, c/would often sway whether or not employees benefited. What I have never seen (nor am I suggesting college do), is treating one employee differently than another of the same employment level. So, for example, all tenured professors dependents get in but not just Prof A's does while Prof B's doesn't.

At least that's where I sit at the moment but could, as most times, be convinced otherwise. The one (private) university I know of with such a tuition policy has it apply to all full-time employees after a three-year waiting period. And, yes, that includes everyone down to the (full-time) cafeteria and maintenance crew. To the best of my knowledge, though, the dependent must be admitted on their own merits (but I sincerely guess they receive a substantial and positive head-start).

Why should the child get a boost against their peers for their parent's accomplishments?

The whole point of getting rid of AA and legacy boosts are to not discriminate based on immutable characteristics. Parental employment is an immutable characteristic for the child.

What private business do is irrelevant here. Universities are bound by federal law as they take millions in tax money every year in the form of student loans and research grants.

It’s not for their parents accomplishments, it’s for their employment. If you want the benefits of being employed at a university, work for the university. But let me guess, you wouldn’t be willing to take the pay cut.

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Anonymous wrote:I know quite a few Georgetown students who are faculty kids. I just always assumed that they were accepted because their parent worked at the school.

I know quite a few Georgetown faculty kids that were denied, in current years.

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Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.

It's not about privilege. It's a benefit/perk of the low paying jobs in academia to get a tuition break for your own kids. Most profs/staff would be just as happy if the tuition break carries over to other schools (and it does at some universities). They want the tuition break that they have been told is a perk of lower paying employment for years. Same with staff----most staff in academia would get paid more outside academia.

This is 100% accurate. I'm a JHU staff member and have been for *mumble* years -- JHU pays for 50% of dependents' undergrad tuition at any accredited school. I have been counting on it in my financial planning and would be royally screwed if that went away! My kid will probably apply to Hopkins because it's a decent fit, but I expect zero admissions boost, just the normal lottery ticket. I assume that perk is reserved for star faculty members. I'm just a middle-level cog.

I'm hoping for this as well. I make under $100K at JHU (husband makes more elsewhere) but will get $62K per year ($31K each or 50% of JHU tuition) when my twins go to college in 13 months. Neither is applying to JHU (husband and I both went there for grad school but kids are interested in leaving the DMV for school).

Wow - JHU is much more generous than most schools!

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Anonymous wrote:Are these speculations about the "many" universities or is there anything official? It's a genuine question

I personally know that Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Columbia and Georgetown give a bump in admissions to faculty kids. I have not done any research on the topic but have heard that it is common along with tuition discounts

You need to research better.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeahhhh, but the crucial difference is that when the assembly line worker gets a good deal on his Chevy Malibu, he’s not keeping someone else from getting a Malibu. If faculty kids do indeed get an admissions bump, they could be taking a spot away from a more-qualified applicant. It’s zero-sum vs. non-zero-sum.

Lots of ifs and conditionals for something that isn't even known to be true.