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Anonymous
Not even an appearance of a conflict. Joe was dealing with the Ukraine government, not Burisma or any other private corporations. Burisma did not ask for anything from the U.S. government. Hunter Biden did not ask for anything from the U.S. government. He was helping them set up LLCs in Delaware and recommending experts to help them with corporate governance. |
Anonymous
And has been repeatedly been pointed out, there were street protests in Kyiv calling for Shokin's ouster, along with officials from the IMF, from the UN and many watchdogs calling for action long before Joe Biden even got involved. Yet somehow his critics keep insisting on turning themselves into pretzels trying to convince (us? or themselves?) that somehow Biden blackmailed him to stop him from investigating Hunter when there was plenty of evidence of Shokin's corruption, plenty of evidence of watchdogs calling for his removal, and ZERO evidence whatsoever that Shokin was even thinking about investigating Hunter. |
Anonymous
| What is worse - a trump appointed prosecutor who.negotiated in bad faith or a trump appointed judge who.saw through this farce? |
Anonymous
| Looks like that stunt that attorney Jessica Bengals tried yesterday did not go over well. |
Anonymous
She didn't see through the farce. She saw actual rights of Hunter Biden's being infringed by the DOJ and wanted them clarified. THAT was what was unprecedented that was commented on. |
Anonymous
This has to be embarrassing for the prosecution. They were completely unprepared for the prospect of the judge asking foundational questions. Of course, this wasn't an adversarial proceeding - both parties were largely on the same side. When the judge asked for the particulars of the plea, i.e., meaning did it grant Hunter immunity for all future crimes, the defense jumped at this, trying to put it on the record. The judge quite correctly turned to the prosecution, who should have been objecting strongly to the defense's position, to ask whether there was precedent for this kind of agreement. Of course there isn't, and the judge, already skeptical after the alleged fraud on the court perpetrated by Biden's lawyers either wittingly or unwittingly representing themselves representing another party {a House committee), just couldn't rubber stamp this deal or permit the application of immunity in the future for all kinds of activity. Note the prosecution should have stated that immunity only applies to the tax and gun charges (although not formally filed), but that was not the unspoken agreement between the two camps. How they thought this was going to get through even basic judicial scrutiny - remember - the judge must ask the defendant of the details of the deal and there are Constitutional reasons to do so as pleas must be willing and fully informed - boggles the mind. She had questions about the gun charge, too, putting Hunter in a diversion program for this felony. The problem is that Hunter was never formally charged with the gun charge - it would have put too much pressure to imprison Hunter as a formal charge for this relatively serious felony would have upped the pressure for prison. The judge again asked whether a diversion program was ever made available to a person not actually charged with a gun crime. Again, the answer is no. In hindsight this just looks stupid. No matter the politics of a judge, a judge is not going to throw away her career by not asking basic and Constitutionally driven questions. As a human factor, my high school teammate, an all Big 10 NCAA athlete, got into some serious legal trouble. His conditions of release were in many ways similar to Hunter's. My friend says that those conditions saved his life, providing incentive to break his addictions, as staying out of jail was really significant to him. He really turned the corner on his addictions while on release, and it made a difference in the plea bargain, where the prosecution agreed to let him spend only 8 days in jail. The conditions on which Hunter is subject to while on release are difficult for a guy with his behaviors. No drinking, no drugs, testing at any time. One can argue whether the DOJ would ever enforce the conditions, but their existence may be want Hunter needs. For his sake one hopes that this is the case. |
Anonymous
No. The problem with the gun charges is proving he used drugs in a court. He was not arrested and there is no evidence. Form 4473 is checked against a criminal data based. The system never flagged his application. The only reason it was brought was because Biden was being singled out for special prosecution. If he was not the son of the president there would be no charges. The government will have to prove he was using drugs - ie drugs that were found on him, there was a chain of custody, the drugs were tested at an approved lab, etc. This is why the government does not prosecute for drug use on a 4473 unless there is an arrest with drugs. |
Anonymous
| Um, he wrote a book detailing his drug use. It was part of today’s plea deal that went south. What are you talking about? |
Anonymous
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He failed drug testing in the military and was discharged for that.
Hair testing can flag on cocaine for a long time. If they weten't going to find drugs, it is because they didn't want to. Even democrats are getting fed up with the optics of what is going on and the sweetheart deals. The FBI, DOJ, SS, IRS and legal system are taking hits. Should everyone just rollover for the first family? He's a short term problem. But this stuff comes back to haunt many people's careers for decades or end them if a bombshell drops in the future. |
Anonymous
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They're playing catch me if you can and it's aggravating TPTB.
Can't keep yelling DRUMPF!!! forever while this getting worse everyday. |
Anonymous
It doesn’t really matter if the Ukraine prosecutor was corrupt if he was going after Burisma. If he had Burisma in his sights, Biden needed to stay out of it. He should have let Obama or Kerry handle it. |
Anonymous
But that's not how this works. You can imagine whatever scenario you want but in the real world, this isn't something people are charged with. Except our political system has gone nuts. Even more nuts than it usually is. Are you going to complain now about Prince Harry lying about his drug use? Are you going to get upset that he isn't getting deported? No, because that's silly. Well, so is all this Hunter Biden stuff. |
Anonymous
That's the point. The Ukraine prosecutor didn't have Burisma in his sights and wasn't going after them. Do some reading, friend. Keep up. |
Anonymous
You’re really wrong here. She rejected the plea bc the plea was drafted by incompetent (or corrupt?) DOJ lawyers to give immunity to Hunter related to foreign lobbying registration crimes still being investigated. The Judge asked the DOJ lawyer if that was intentional to provide just far reaching immunity and they said it was not. Hunter’s team cried foul and said they expected it to be covered, and so now a narrower (less favorable to Hunter) agreement needs to be drafted. Smart judge! |
Anonymous
Very much so. |