Harvard admits record number of Asian American students while Black and Latino admits drop

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

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Can't wait to see justice served.

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

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Anonymous wrote:Since people are obsessed with racial demographics, according to the article:

Asians: 29.9
Black: 15.3
Latino: 11.3
Native American: 2
Hawaiian: .5

Total: 59%

Implication: whites are 41%

US racial demographics- tried to find current data and found this for 18-24 y/o as of 2021: https://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/11207-young-adult-population-ages-18-to-24-by-race-and-ethnicity#detailed/1/any/false/2048/68,69,67,12,70,66,71,7983/21595,21596

Asians: 6%
Black: 14%
Latino: 23%
Native American: 1%
Hawaiian: .5%
White: 53%

Interesting. Technically speaking, whites are visibly underrepresented, as are Latinos, if the goal is to have Harvard's student body mirror national demographics. We could add an overlay of faith but that gets tricker so let's leave it aside for now. We all know Harvard doesn't admit on merit, so it's not really clear what they're looking for in the ideal student body as they also don't have proportional racial demographic mix either.

Often there’s a significant international percentage as well.

That is true and many of those could be in the white category as well.
I know a number of Eastern Europeans who attended.

It's mostly Chinese and South Asians

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

Yet, PP was not talking about well rounded in tested ability, but well rounded in interests. Yes computer science is now a thing, but they need art majors, too.

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Anonymous wrote:These are admitted students, right? Not enrolled. Maybe Harvard just shifted URM admits to SCEA (thus increasing yield for that group, and thus decreasing the number of admits needed to hit its targets), while shifting white and Asian admits to RD (thus decreasing yield for that group, increasing the numbers it could admit without exceeding its targets).

That is a plan they could have developed after the oral argument. It seems consistent with anecdotal reports from local private schools. And it would be calibrated to produce this well-timed press release, while having zero net effect on the on-campus enrollment numbers.

SCEA is not binding so your conspiracy theory has a glaring hole in it. Not that it will matter to you.

The question isn’t whether it’s binding, it’s whether there’s any yield differential at all between those admitted SCEA and those admitted RD. Harvard certainly has the data to do this math and it certainly has the wit to come up with this plan.

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

Yet, PP was not talking about well rounded in tested ability, but well rounded in interests. Yes computer science is now a thing, but they need art majors, too.

Why are you assuming these Asian applicants are not interested in humanities? The point is you are perpetuating a stereotype.

Also, if colleges were just sorting my major and Asians were only good at and interested in STEM, there would be no need for affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?

Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.

my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.

So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.

do you understand proportionality?

The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.

So what’s the problem?

? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?

So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.

And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s probably because it favors white people

You are all over the place.

It is illegal to look at race for education and employment, but progressives have decided that it is ok to look at it as long as you are trying to be diverse. If it was ok to do so, then I guess it would be ok for colleges or businesses to not want anymore black people because they feel that the number of them that they have is enough?

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

They aren't sorting by test score, that's the point.

Yet, PP was not talking about well rounded in tested ability, but well rounded in interests. Yes computer science is now a thing, but they need art majors, too.

Why are you assuming these Asian applicants are not interested in humanities? The point is you are perpetuating a stereotype.

Also, if colleges were just sorting my major and Asians were only good at and interested in STEM, there would be no need for affirmative action.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

Yet, PP was not talking about well rounded in tested ability, but well rounded in interests. Yes computer science is now a thing, but they need art majors, too.

In every single category--EXCEPT for likeability rankings made by Harvard AOs--Asian Americans out ranked their peers, including for leadership and in interviews with alums.

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Anonymous wrote:It would depend on how diverse the Asian group was. The danger is that a university where everyone majors in computer science and plays the violin (a stereotype, I know) isn't going to be as academically strong in other areas. Harvard isn't just known for producing mathematicians. It's knowing for producing politicians and climate change activists and great feminist thinkers and theologians and authors and mayors, etc. Artists. If the vast majority of those admitted are admitted because they scored really high on the math section of the SAT and have lots of AP statistics courses then it's likely that none of them will write the next great Broadway musical or become a journalist -- particularly if they have parents who actively steer them away from the pursuit of these types of goals. I was a reader for a prestigious internaitonal scholarship awhile ago and I remember wondering what would happen when everyone who applied for the fellowship was a stats major or data science, or if maybe no one would apply at all.

Way to perpetuate the stereotype of Asians being math nerds. These kids are scoring 1500+ on the SATs, which means that they're scoring at least a 700 on the verbal portion of the SAT.

The ^PP is math challenged. Maybe they need to focus on math more. LOL

Forgive me but maybe I am too... can you explain?

800 is the highest score you can get for both the Verbal and Math sections of the SAT. Asian American math nerds were only good at math and not well rounded, as the PP PP suggested, their total SAT score would not be 1500+. The 1500+ scores that Asian American kids are earning means that even if they are scoring a perfect 800, they are earning at least 700+ on the Verbal section, which is extremely high, and which suggests that the Asian American kids are not just good at math--they are far more academically well rounded than the stereotype suggests.

Yet, PP was not talking about well rounded in tested ability, but well rounded in interests. Yes computer science is now a thing, but they need art majors, too.

In every single category--EXCEPT for likeability rankings made by Harvard AOs--Asian Americans out ranked their peers, including for leadership and in interviews with alums.

Lots of Asian American kids are great at art and music, too.

"Personality" test was thrown in there for the same reason why Harvard implemented "holistic" admission 100 years ago. Progressives think it's fine to discriminate against specific races.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asians want clear transparent rules, no discrimination, and fair competition. Is that too much to ask?

Elite schools don’t care about test scores, they care about leadership qualities, grit & sociability. Part-time jobs in high school are important, too.

my DC has all those qualities, PT job, leader, social, quite well spoken (debate team), and near perfect SAT scores and high GPA from a magnet, but Asian.

So did my Asian kid and they were admitted to multiple schools. And guess what? Their classmates are mostly white and Asian.

do you understand proportionality?

The classmates are mostly white/Asian because they are the largest group that applies.

So what’s the problem?

? In the US, it is illegal to look at race for employment and education. That's the problem. Are you daft?

So you won’t be happy until you’ve driven all of the nonwhite and Asian students out of university. These numbers are relatively small and at Harvard at least getting smaller the last few years. and contrary to your prejudice, they are all perfectly academically qualified to succeed. No one ever said college admissions is quest to find the 2000 “best” applicants.

And if it’s illegal to look at race unemployment then why are boards of major corporations so white and male that diversity requirements are literally being written into the law in some states? I don’t see you crusading against the lack of representation in corporate offices. But I’d guess it’s probably because it favors white people

You are all over the place.

It is illegal to look at race for education and employment, but progressives have decided that it is ok to look at it as long as you are trying to be diverse. If it was ok to do so, then I guess it would be ok for colleges or businesses to not want anymore black people because they feel that the number of them that they have is enough?

I only see you caring about “discrimination” when it affects white folks.

[Anonymous]

What about the crackers? Are we done with touring our 60-70% mixed race or identify of color incoming classes?

Every damn info session we attended this spring break the speaker sang poetic about having fewer than 25-30% identifying as Caucasian only.

Have they even thought how this sounds to the white Kidd who have been hearing “need not apply” for the past 3 years?

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*touting

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Anonymous wrote:What about the crackers? Are we done with touring our 60-70% mixed race or identify of color incoming classes?

Every damn info session we attended this spring break the speaker sang poetic about having fewer than 25-30% identifying as Caucasian only.

Have they even thought how this sounds to the white Kidd who have been hearing “need not apply” for the past 3 years?

Diversity is an ideology in higher education. It is the new faith.

As it is, I find it funny some people believe the push to ban AA in at Harvard is white supremacy when it would only lead to even more Asians. Harvard has definitely increased the share of Asians in the student body due to pressure not to be so racist. So who is the real racist? White supremacists or Harvard?