Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?

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I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight, but I’m pretty sure if you asked 10 random people whether ND or Emory was better, at least 9 would say ND. It has much more of a national reputation. I grew up on the west coast and only in CA did people even know Emory.

More people know UAlabama as well. Happy for ND. I guess Emory can join the likes of the unknown Rice, WashU, Swarthmore, Amherst, Middlebury etc.

What is UAlabama known for?

Football

So is Notre Dame. BD boosters really think ND is known fir it's academics, just delusional.

One school is T20 and one school is like #130 something

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Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL
It has not been falling. In fact, it's the opposite.
The biggest factor in this business is $$$ as in any other business.

ND is #7 in Endowment ranking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Only Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, and UPenn are better than ND.
You can see the huge correlation between the endowment ranking and USN&WR college ranking.
It'll only go up. People are clueless LOL

[Anonymous]

And right in cue it’s the ND mom who always brings up endowment even though everyone knows endowment has zero to do with quality of teaching or prestige!

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Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL
It has not been falling. In fact, it's the opposite.
The biggest factor in this business is $$$ as in any other business.

ND is #7 in Endowment ranking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Only Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, and UPenn are better than ND.
You can see the huge correlation between the endowment ranking and USN&WR college ranking.
It'll only go up. People are clueless LOL

Exactly. Everyone else is just in denial and probably hate the Catholic identity. I guess they just will need to learn to deal with the fact that ND is here to stay in the top 20 and perhaps even climb the ranking. So hard for them to grasp that reality lol.

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Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.

Where are you getting 18% from? It’s definitely lower. The acceptance rates from last year at top schools show Notre Dame is on par with many of the best colleges.

Schools significantly more selective than Notre Dame:

Harvard (3%)
Stanford (4%)
Caltech (4%)
Columbia (4%)
MIT (4%)
Duke (5%)
Yale (5%)
Brown (5%)
Princeton (6%)
UPenn (6%)
Dartmouth (6%)
Vanderbilt (6%)
Northwestern (7%)
Cornell (7%)
John’s Hopkins (7%)

Notre Dame’s Peer Group Acceptance Rates:

Rice (9%)
UCLA (9%)
Tufts (10%)
WashU (11%)
Carnegie Mellon (11%)
Berkeley (11%)
Georgetown (12%)
Notre Dame (13%)
Emory (16%)
UNC (17%)
Georgia Tech (17%)
UMich (18%)

No horse in this race but I think this basically reaffirms my existing impression. Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc. are still in a different league than Notre Dame, and instead their peer set is more like WashU, Georgetown, and Emory. Those are great schools too but not quite the level of the first grouping.

You could easily put Cornell, Vandy, Northwestern in the second grouping.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Georgetown and Notre Dame are all a tier above WUSTL and Emory.

That's a huge lie. Emory business is better WashU, ND, Georgetown, and Vandy. WashU medicine is better than all of them. And they're all ranked around the same.

Totally Wrong.
ND and GT business are a level up from Emory.

No they aren't.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-business-schools/mba-rankings

Dummy...this is a graduate school ranking.

You're calling the wrong person dumb, because you lack comprehension skills. Reread my post again.

What did I miss? There has been no discussion here about graduate school. Here is the thread I responded to. You mentioned medicine, but that doesn't change the fact that we are talking about undergraduate programs. God you are desperate.

You missed when I clearly mentioned WashU medicine. That should have clued you in to what I was talking about. IE the entire university.

Well for one thing, ND doesn't have a medical school and this is an ND thread. So your "clue" didn't make sense.

It did make sense because PPs original comment mention 4 other schools being better than WashU, which do have med schools. Again you and the other ND booster lack comprehension skills. Must be a catholic thing.

Well for one thing, Catholic is capitalized. Secondly, this is blatant bigotry, which pretty much confirms my theory of what's behind all the ND bashing on this thread. But what else is new.

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Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.

Where are you getting 18% from? It’s definitely lower. The acceptance rates from last year at top schools show Notre Dame is on par with many of the best colleges.

Schools significantly more selective than Notre Dame:

Harvard (3%)
Stanford (4%)
Caltech (4%)
Columbia (4%)
MIT (4%)
Duke (5%)
Yale (5%)
Brown (5%)
Princeton (6%)
UPenn (6%)
Dartmouth (6%)
Vanderbilt (6%)
Northwestern (7%)
Cornell (7%)
John’s Hopkins (7%)

Notre Dame’s Peer Group Acceptance Rates:

Rice (9%)
UCLA (9%)
Tufts (10%)
WashU (11%)
Carnegie Mellon (11%)
Berkeley (11%)
Georgetown (12%)
Notre Dame (13%)
Emory (16%)
UNC (17%)
Georgia Tech (17%)
UMich (18%)

No horse in this race but I think this basically reaffirms my existing impression. Ivies, Stanford, MIT, Duke, etc. are still in a different league than Notre Dame, and instead their peer set is more like WashU, Georgetown, and Emory. Those are great schools too but not quite the level of the first grouping.

You could easily put Cornell, Vandy, Northwestern in the second grouping.

Cornell, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Georgetown and Notre Dame are all a tier above WUSTL and Emory.

And realistically Cornell and Northwestern are a "tier" above even these other schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL
It has not been falling. In fact, it's the opposite.
The biggest factor in this business is $$$ as in any other business.

ND is #7 in Endowment ranking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Only Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, and UPenn are better than ND.
You can see the huge correlation between the endowment ranking and USN&WR college ranking.
It'll only go up. People are clueless LOL

Endowment has nothing to do with rankings or desirability

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Notre Dame is only 4% black

[Anonymous]

Oh just stop. Notre Dame is an extremely wealthy university with a national brand that is virtually unmatched in higher education. It’s not going anywhere. Yes, DCUM hates it because DCUM hates Catholics, but DCUM isn’t America. To suggest that Notre Dane is on the decline is laughable.

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DCUM does undervalue the two best Catholic universities. Notre Dame and Georgetown are excellent schools that have top-tier name recognition. It isn't like Georgetown is overly conservative either. They are also dream schools for kids growing up in a way most other top 20ish schools are not (unless a parent went there, you are not dreaming of going to Cornell or WashU until you are at least midway through high school).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL
It has not been falling. In fact, it's the opposite.
The biggest factor in this business is $$$ as in any other business.

ND is #7 in Endowment ranking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Only Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, and UPenn are better than ND.
You can see the huge correlation between the endowment ranking and USN&WR college ranking.
It'll only go up. People are clueless LOL

Endowment has nothing to do with rankings or desirability

You are naive if you believe endowment has nothing to do with college rankings.
For the many Duke folks here on DCUM, Notre Dame really is like the football Duke! Students feel a real sense of community.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Notre Dame will continue to fall over the next decade. Its strict catholic teachings and practice of single sex dorms with curfews is behind the times and will soon be an unappealing aspect to a school in the middle of nowhere.

LOL
It has not been falling. In fact, it's the opposite.
The biggest factor in this business is $$$ as in any other business.

ND is #7 in Endowment ranking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colleges_and_universities_in_the_United_States_by_endowment

Only Harvard, MIT, Yale, Stanford, Princeton, and UPenn are better than ND.
You can see the huge correlation between the endowment ranking and USN&WR college ranking.
It'll only go up. People are clueless LOL

Endowment has nothing to do with rankings or desirability

You are naive if you believe endowment has nothing to do with college rankings.
For the many Duke folks here on DCUM, Notre Dame really is like the football Duke! Students feel a real sense of community.

I can’t even understand the point you are making. But you need to learn how endowments operate https://www.masu.org/news/optimizing-education-accountability-higher-ed-finance/05-20-2022/higher-ed-101-endowments#:~:text=So%20what%20happens%20when%20folks,much%20money%20%E2%80%9Clying%20around.%E2%80%9D:

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Anonymous wrote:Oh just stop. Notre Dame is an extremely wealthy university with a national brand that is virtually unmatched in higher education. It’s not going anywhere. Yes, DCUM hates it because DCUM hates Catholics, but DCUM isn’t America. To suggest that Notre Dane is on the decline is laughable.

Maybe just everyone else right and you are wrong and it has nothing to do with Catholicism and bigotry but more with your little girl stomping of your feet and getting upset with us when we don't agree. Most of us will never agree that Notre Dame is right up there as an Ivy but when you claim that and are challenged you offer no citations except some irrelevant statistic about endowments. Then when challenged again you default to “Oh just stop!” (I can hear the stomping of feet). Then you make another unsupportable bizarre assertion about Notre Dame having a “national brand virtually unmatched in higher education”. Oh really? That’s quite a claim! And without any supporting documentation! Then you cry “It’s not going anywhere” (more stomping of feet) “because I say so!” then the childish “oh you are all bad people because you hate Catholics” then calling us “laughable”. Maybe the problem is you and the infantile way you try to argue. Well, I’d say more but it’s getting late so tah dah for now!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh just stop. Notre Dame is an extremely wealthy university with a national brand that is virtually unmatched in higher education. It’s not going anywhere. Yes, DCUM hates it because DCUM hates Catholics, but DCUM isn’t America. To suggest that Notre Dane is on the decline is laughable.

Maybe just everyone else right and you are wrong and it has nothing to do with Catholicism and bigotry but more with your little girl stomping of your feet and getting upset with us when we don't agree. Most of us will never agree that Notre Dame is right up there as an Ivy but when you claim that and are challenged you offer no citations except some irrelevant statistic about endowments. Then when challenged again you default to “Oh just stop!” (I can hear the stomping of feet). Then you make another unsupportable bizarre assertion about Notre Dame having a “national brand virtually unmatched in higher education”. Oh really? That’s quite a claim! And without any supporting documentation! Then you cry “It’s not going anywhere” (more stomping of feet) “because I say so!” then the childish “oh you are all bad people because you hate Catholics” then calling us “laughable”. Maybe the problem is you and the infantile way you try to argue. Well, I’d say more but it’s getting late so tah dah for now!

NP. So hateful! And at 1:49 in the morning. Hope the hangover isn't too bad today. Do you have the day off?

Honestly, I don't know if endowment impacts ratings. I really don't care. But your rant and obsession about this is quite bizarre.

Is ND strong national brand? Of course it is!! It is known for both strong academics and athletics. My kid loves having both in one school and yes he likes that it is Catholic. We are observant Catholics and love having the beautiful basilica on campus, the grotto, and a rector in each dorm. The warmth on campus is like nothing you will ever find at an institution with its stature. But clearly you don't value these things. And that's OK!

Why are you so threatened by Notre Dame?