Doctors who went to Caribbean medical schools or DOs

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Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. My medical school class had people who had backpacked the world, gotten masters in other subjects, done fellowships abroad, been in the Peace Corps, been in Teach for America, worked for NGOs, one had been a priest, several classical musicians, a former model, a mountain climber, an internationally ranked swimmer.

And who made up the other 95% of the class? And, a lot of the unique activities you mentioned are performed by rich kids who do them to set themselves apart.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. My medical school class had people who had backpacked the world, gotten masters in other subjects, done fellowships abroad, been in the Peace Corps, been in Teach for America, worked for NGOs, one had been a priest, several classical musicians, a former model, a mountain climber, an internationally ranked swimmer.

And who made up the other 95% of the class? And, a lot of the unique activities you mentioned are performed by rich kids who do them to set themselves apart.

Actually rich kids were in the vast minority and this is generally true. The vast majority of my class and medical school were extremely smart and hard working ambitious kids from very middle class families, who had attended public schools and been top of the class at their undergraduate state universities. Many were doing dual MD/PhD degrees that covered their tuition and many others committed to military service and public service and underserved areas to help pay it. Several were already married and some were parents. Some had parents who were farmers. Some were the first in their families to attend college. One had been a teenage mother. There was also a small number of phenomenal people from outside the country who somehow got into one the nation’s top medical schools from Uganda, Martinique and a few other places. My closest friend had been raised in foster care by someone who sexually abused her. Her work now makes national headlines. You sound very resentful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. My medical school class had people who had backpacked the world, gotten masters in other subjects, done fellowships abroad, been in the Peace Corps, been in Teach for America, worked for NGOs, one had been a priest, several classical musicians, a former model, a mountain climber, an internationally ranked swimmer.

And who made up the other 95% of the class? And, a lot of the unique activities you mentioned are performed by rich kids who do them to set themselves apart.

Actually rich kids were in the vast minority and this is generally true. The vast majority of my class and medical school were extremely smart and hard working ambitious kids from very middle class families, who had attended public schools and been top of the class at their undergraduate state universities. Many were doing dual MD/PhD degrees that covered their tuition and many others committed to military service and public service and underserved areas to help pay it. Several were already married and some were parents. Some had parents who were farmers. Some were the first in their families to attend college. One had been a teenage mother. There was also a small number of phenomenal people from outside the country who somehow got into one the nation’s top medical schools from Uganda, Martinique and a few other places. My closest friend had been raised in foster care by someone who sexually abused her. Her work now makes national headlines. You sound very resentful.

Either you went a long time ago or you went to a unique school because very high SES people make up the vast majority of med school classes today.

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Not really long ago especially when you consider how long it takes to produce a fully finished doctor (medical school, internship, residency & fellowship then a first job). You are conveniently ignoring a third possibility which is that you are mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really long ago especially when you consider how long it takes to produce a fully finished doctor (medical school, internship, residency & fellowship then a first job). You are conveniently ignoring a third possibility which is that you are mistaken.

Or you are. There are many recent articles and studies on this. You are just pointing to your anecdotal experience from over a decade ago. Times have changed and they have changed most drastically in the past five years.

[Anonymous]

I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

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Anonymous wrote:Not really long ago especially when you consider how long it takes to produce a fully finished doctor (medical school, internship, residency & fellowship then a first job). You are conveniently ignoring a third possibility which is that you are mistaken.

Or you are. There are many recent articles and studies on this. You are just pointing to your anecdotal experience from over a decade ago. Times have changed and they have changed most drastically in the past five years.

Perhaps the issue is that you sound like you are insisting that the majority of student are from SES that are like DCUM wealthy—the 1%. This is simply not true. What is true, is that the majority come from the top 2/5 SES in this country; but the cutoff for the second quintile is just not that high compared to the numbers of the 1%. Here is the data from the AAMC (Association of American Medical Colleges), for the ten years through 2017. The data show that about 75% of medical students came from the top 20% of SES. But the cutoff for the second quintile of SES in 2017 was a HHI of only $74,870 a year. That’s not exactly wealthy:

https://www.aamc.org/media/9596/download

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

They probably spent all of their energy getting there, and now they don’t know what to do with themselves. For some of them, residency is their first real job.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

I think that this is unfortunately how these younger generations operate in every profession. Sigh.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. My medical school class had people who had backpacked the world, gotten masters in other subjects, done fellowships abroad, been in the Peace Corps, been in Teach for America, worked for NGOs, one had been a priest, several classical musicians, a former model, a mountain climber, an internationally ranked swimmer.

And who made up the other 95% of the class? And, a lot of the unique activities you mentioned are performed by rich kids who do them to set themselves apart.

So true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

I hope attitudes like yours die out PP.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

I think that this is unfortunately how these younger generations operate in every profession. Sigh.

Younger generations reject hazing at work, yes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a doctor and the biggest change I see isn’t in who becomes a doctor it’s in their attitude during training. When I trained you wouldn’t dream of not knowing everything about your patient even if woken up at 3am, and you wouldn’t dream of leaving as long as your senior was still there. Today’s residents think nothing of saying “I don’t know, I’m just covering that patient on call” or leaving a shift before their seniors do.

I think that this is unfortunately how these younger generations operate in every profession. Sigh.

Younger generations reject hazing at work, yes.

I guess then that they would define “hazing” as being asked to actually do something. Give me a break.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

The problem is is that they are NOT selecting the best applicant--they are selecting for various other reasons--

Says you? Look, like it or not there is a lot of testing and lot of grading and a lot of standardized testing in medical education training and certification. You need to be able to pass that bar well to be a doctor, period. First you need the numbers. And you also want people who are going to advance the field. Sent After that criterion is met they can look for wonderful humanitarians and good listeners.

The MCAT isnt even that important anymore.They want either robots or optics---that is the issue. They want easily controlled students.

This person gets it.

thanks!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/medical-school-applicants-and-enrollments-hit-record-highs-underrepresented-minorities-lead-surge

Number of applications is up but acceptances have steadily increased. Does not say anything about the most important piece which is the number of *qualified* applicants. Increased apps does not necessarily mean increased competition if most of those people are not well qualified which is usually the case.

But, thousands of rejected people are “qualified.” There still are not enough seats, but that is largely Congress’ fault.

What makes you think that everyone who wants to be a doctor and is qualified should get a seat? This isn’t public kindergarten. Schools are allowed to select the best applicants. It’s better for everyone to keep quality high.

They are making worse by admitting a bunch robots who have never even had a real job or done anything that wasn’t related to getting them into med school.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. My medical school class had people who had backpacked the world, gotten masters in other subjects, done fellowships abroad, been in the Peace Corps, been in Teach for America, worked for NGOs, one had been a priest, several classical musicians, a former model, a mountain climber, an internationally ranked swimmer.

And who made up the other 95% of the class? And, a lot of the unique activities you mentioned are performed by rich kids who do them to set themselves apart.

So true.

As you can see by the data posted above, it’s not true. Unless you think a HHI of $75k a year is “rich kids.”