swim parents: Why is NCap so expensive?

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Is anything above incorrect? Does RMSC pay fees to use the pools? If so, how much?

Every time this comes up, I go looking for RMSC financial reports. Has anyone been able to find them? Personally, I would not be surprised to find out that RMSC as a club does pay the county something. So unless I knew for sure, I wouldn't say either way.

Things are not always how you would expect. For example, University of Maryland athletic teams pay the university for use of the facilities. I know for a fact when they had a swim team, they "rented" pool time as does the Department of Kinesiology to teach water-based classes.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

I would rather have my kids at a team where coaches are paid more.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Is anything above incorrect? Does RMSC pay fees to use the pools? If so, how much?

Every time this comes up, I go looking for RMSC financial reports. Has anyone been able to find them? Personally, I would not be surprised to find out that RMSC as a club does pay the county something. So unless I knew for sure, I wouldn't say either way.

Things are not always how you would expect. For example, University of Maryland athletic teams pay the university for use of the facilities. I know for a fact when they had a swim team, they "rented" pool time as does the Department of Kinesiology to teach water-based classes.

Here’s a Q&A from RMSC explaining that the county covers all their indirect costs, including pool use.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5ccadc7653450af624fe0a22/1556798582845/RMSC+Fees+Q+%26+A.docx

Are there portions of the program that are tax supported? Yes, all indirect costs of the program are tax supported. Indirect costs include expenses associated with operating the pool. Expenses include items such as pool staff, registration systems costs/fees, building and maintenance, pool chemical and operation, utilities and any debt service. These fees are not passed on to our customers, however, in some communities recreation departments are required to recover both direct and indirect costs.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

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RMSC has some great coaches and some average coaches and some terrible coaches. So does every other program NCAP certainly included. although the coaches at DSs site are all good or great if they were not we would look to move

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

And RMSC is non-profit.

Also, at the top levels, the clubs are more comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Is anything above incorrect? Does RMSC pay fees to use the pools? If so, how much?

Every time this comes up, I go looking for RMSC financial reports. Has anyone been able to find them? Personally, I would not be surprised to find out that RMSC as a club does pay the county something. So unless I knew for sure, I wouldn't say either way.

Things are not always how you would expect. For example, University of Maryland athletic teams pay the university for use of the facilities. I know for a fact when they had a swim team, they "rented" pool time as does the Department of Kinesiology to teach water-based classes.

RMSC hosts meets that make money for the county.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Is anything above incorrect? Does RMSC pay fees to use the pools? If so, how much?

Every time this comes up, I go looking for RMSC financial reports. Has anyone been able to find them? Personally, I would not be surprised to find out that RMSC as a club does pay the county something. So unless I knew for sure, I wouldn't say either way.

Things are not always how you would expect. For example, University of Maryland athletic teams pay the university for use of the facilities. I know for a fact when they had a swim team, they "rented" pool time as does the Department of Kinesiology to teach water-based classes.

Here’s a Q&A from RMSC explaining that the county covers all their indirect costs, including pool use.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5ccadc7653450af624fe0a22/1556798582845/RMSC+Fees+Q+%26+A.docx

Are there portions of the program that are tax supported? Yes, all indirect costs of the program are tax supported. Indirect costs include expenses associated with operating the pool. Expenses include items such as pool staff, registration systems costs/fees, building and maintenance, pool chemical and operation, utilities and any debt service. These fees are not passed on to our customers, however, in some communities recreation departments are required to recover both direct and indirect costs.

What is included in the fee and what are the costs associated? RMSC fees include coaching costs, USAS Registration fees, all meet entries, travel related expenses, coaches travel, meet equipment, training equipment and apparel. The Department will spend nearly $1M in coach’s salaries alone this year and average nearly 80hrs per week of pool time per site for the RMSC program.


It’s a county based program, of course some of the indirect costs aren’t passed on.

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RMSC Q&A:

Are there portions of the program that are tax supported? Yes, all indirect costs of the program are tax supported. Indirect costs include expenses associated with operating the pool. Expenses include items such as pool staff, registration systems costs/fees, building and maintenance, pool chemical and operation, utilities and any debt service. These fees are not passed on to our customers, however, in some communities recreation departments are required to recover both direct and indirect costs.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Is anything above incorrect? Does RMSC pay fees to use the pools? If so, how much?

Every time this comes up, I go looking for RMSC financial reports. Has anyone been able to find them? Personally, I would not be surprised to find out that RMSC as a club does pay the county something. So unless I knew for sure, I wouldn't say either way.

Things are not always how you would expect. For example, University of Maryland athletic teams pay the university for use of the facilities. I know for a fact when they had a swim team, they "rented" pool time as does the Department of Kinesiology to teach water-based classes.

Here’s a Q&A from RMSC explaining that the county covers all their indirect costs, including pool use.

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50d3725de4b0fbb8d67420a1/t/5ccadc7653450af624fe0a22/1556798582845/RMSC+Fees+Q+%26+A.docx

Are there portions of the program that are tax supported? Yes, all indirect costs of the program are tax supported. Indirect costs include expenses associated with operating the pool. Expenses include items such as pool staff, registration systems costs/fees, building and maintenance, pool chemical and operation, utilities and any debt service. These fees are not passed on to our customers, however, in some communities recreation departments are required to recover both direct and indirect costs.

What is included in the fee and what are the costs associated? RMSC fees include coaching costs, USAS Registration fees, all meet entries, travel related expenses, coaches travel, meet equipment, training equipment and apparel. The Department will spend nearly $1M in coach’s salaries alone this year and average nearly 80hrs per week of pool time per site for the RMSC program.


It’s a county based program, of course some of the indirect costs aren’t passed on.

I don't think these are true. They stopped paying USAS reg fees this year, and there are some travel meets (like NCSA) that are subsidized, but it is not covered in the registration fee. Both my kids swim RMSC FWIW.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

And RMSC is non-profit.

Also, at the top levels, the clubs are more comparable.

This - RMSC is not cheaper at the top levels. This is a complete misconception. For some of the top groups it would be cheaper to look at another club.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

And RMSC is non-profit.

Also, at the top levels, the clubs are more comparable.

This - RMSC is not cheaper at the top levels. This is a complete misconception. For some of the top groups it would be cheaper to look at another club.

I don’t like how there is no transparency on their pricing.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

And RMSC is non-profit.

Also, at the top levels, the clubs are more comparable.

This - RMSC is not cheaper at the top levels. This is a complete misconception. For some of the top groups it would be cheaper to look at another club.

I don’t like how there is no transparency on their pricing.

What? Pricing is posted on their website by practice site.

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Anonymous wrote:This may be true but then why the price tag compared to say RMSC? What’s the value added if they don’t have consistently high-quality coaching across sites?

You can’t really compare RMSC pricing because the sites are subsidized by the City of Rockville and Montgomery County. But yes, NCAP is probably the most expensive club option in the area. As others have pointed out there are some great sites/coaches but it is a big franchise and not uniform across the board.

RMSC is not subsidized by the county or city of Rockville. You repeat this frequently but it’s not true. NCAP is for profit which makes it more expensive- plus they pay their coaches more.

Really? So how much does RMSC pay to the county for pool time in county-owned pools?

The answer is that RMSC pays nothing for use of those pools (and on top of that, other clubs aren't even allowed to rent those facilities). That is a gigantic subsidy. These pools cost millions of dollars to build, maintain and operate, and the county taxpayer pays for all of it. Other clubs have to pay rental fees to schools other pool owners (which then use those fees to defray the cost of building and operating the pools) or build and run their own pools.

Sigh. Not this same discussion on every thread where you repeatedly bash RMSC. Are you a NCRAP employee?

Hahaha NCRAP. I like that.

How do people know they are paid more? I think that’s an assumption because they are for-profit, but from what I understand they are actually not paid that well- heard this from a coach that left and coaches in a different state.

Seems to me there is something very dodgy going on between all the kids leaving the Prep site and the fees being so high…

DP. The fees have always been high, that isn’t a new occurrence. Machine and ASA are also more expensive than RSMC. RMSC costs less because using the county pools is saving them a lot of money. It’s not a slam, it’s great that there is a club that’s more reasonably priced, and therefore accessible for more kids, that also produces high level swimmers. NCAP has so many sites, the issues at Prep are pretty specific to Prep and aren’t indicative of things going on at other sites.

And RMSC is non-profit.

Also, at the top levels, the clubs are more comparable.

This - RMSC is not cheaper at the top levels. This is a complete misconception. For some of the top groups it would be cheaper to look at another club.

I don’t like how there is no transparency on their pricing.

What do you mean? Fees are posted on the website.