Grandparents told DS to "just stop" regarding calls and texts to help rebook flights

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Anonymous wrote:Backstory: I have younger parents and my dad still works as a trial lawyer. My parents are scheduled to come to DC tomorrow to visit for the holidays for a week because my dad had a trial scheduled today (and they were upset we did not visit them in my hometown for Christmas and went on a trip with our immediate family). Due to Southwest canceling their flights and a text they sent me and my adult siblings, my DH found flights that were very affordable on a different airline to rebook and offered to use his points to give them first class flights to DC. The catch was one hour layover in a city where my brother lives. My parents suffer from FOMO (fear of missing out) and they are exceptionally petty. They booked their tickets after Christmas because my DH and I booked a ski trip to Utah the first week of winter break. Then my brother's flight was canceled due to the weather and they freaked out, not responding to our texts or calls for three days. My sister called them out on it and they claimed they were "too busy" to respond (these are people who text and call us incessantly at work).

This morning, my 8 year old son sent my mom texts that said (from son's name) and were clearly written by an 8 year old. He said that my DH had found tickets for them and offered to use his status and points. He said that the ticket prices were increasing. He asked my mom (or dad) to call me and DH. He then FaceTimed my mom two hours later, as he had the flight schedule on his tablet and saw the price changes. My mom was texting us all morning in a group text and separate texts plus my dad was sending group texts from when his flights were canceled until he called me from my mom's phone (he has never done that) to ask DS, age 8, to "just stop" and that he was not going to fly to DC unless he could fly to DCA only (DH found flights to Dulles and BWI, which we offered to pickup parents), unless the flight was allowing checked bags (my parent's airline had suggested only carryon and my parents NEVER check bags), unless my husband had found direct flights from their city to DCA at the same time as the flight he had prior. My DS is devastated. I took him to the playground and we are headed to the movies. But really? My mom claims she could not make a decision without my dad. My dad claims he needed to focus on his trial and not worry about flights. My parents both claim they didn't want to book flights until my 38 year old brother's flight was resheduled. My brother lives somewhere where all the flights are canceled this week. He wants to come here to see his nephews and is booking a flight Friday. He is also totally fine staying at my parents' alone or going to my aunt's down the street.

My mom is now saying she is going to cancel the trip altoghether, due to the weather and unpredictability of the flights, which I get. But my 8 year old called her from his Ipad and my mom gave him a long lecture about how we "already went on our vacation" and how "she isn't going to be able to make any flights that your dad (my DH) made for us as they are too expensive or have layovers." DH and I were going to pay for the flights. My parents are very well off and can definitely swing the $400 total round trip tickets and would take the free tickets using points. DS is really hurt that my parents yelled at him and were "unkind".

I explained to DS that my parents should not have reacted to a child like that, but they have anxiety about traveling and are not savvy about prices going up and can't make quick decisions. They always think something better is going to come along and it prevents them from quick decision making. Now my mom is texting me and my sister pictures of her Christmas decorations, presents, sad memes, gifs, etc. And she's making us feel guilty for her flight being canceled (!). My sister and I called her and my dad out for making my 8 year old feel badly and she said "well he already got to go on a ski vacation. We paid for private school and worked really hard and never got to do that with you. Maybe you would have been better off just going to public school and having kids in HS so you would be more dependent on me." (this is something she frequently says.

My dad texted my sister, DH and I to "chill", his favorite word. He is big into mindfulness although he has the worst anger management issue ever, the mouth that curses incessantly and is super hyper active and anxious.


I could have told your sad tale of woe in a three sentence paragraph. Instead, one question:. What kind of idiot adult has their 8-year old son take over travel for grandparents?!


New poster. I do not see where OP or any adult had the child "take over travel" arrangements. Nowhere does OP say that she or any other adult put the kid up to doing this, instructed him to do it, told him to text the grandparents, etc. I think that is getting projected into her post by the readers.

OP--am I correct? No one, not you or DH or any other adult, egged on or told your child to make his own separate contact about travel plans?

If not: I'm team OP and son.

Grandpa the lawyer: The people posting to rage about the fact grandpa was doing at trial: So freaking what? He can mute anyone he likes. OP notes he's all about "wellness" anyway and his whole reaction to this was not the anger that PPs here are feeling on his behalf -- he just told everyone to "chill." (How...useful. Not.) So grandad's trial is not the big honking thing re: travel that some PPs want it to be. .Not to grandpa, at least, though some lawyer PPs here are sure projecting their own trial stress onto "chill" grandpa.

Grandma is the issue here. Again, PPs are defending her. But OP clearly says her mom is, to summarize in my own term, a pill. Here's why: The issue is NOT he terrible weather, or the weather-related flight cancellations etc., people. The issue isn't even the child contacting grandma.

READ OP's post with care: Mom is pouting and pi$$y about the fact OP's family took a trip of their own (without these grandparents) at the start of this winter break.

That is the root of grandma's and grandpa's insistence that they'll ONLY travel to one of the area's three airports, they MUST have checked baggage despite what airlines are saying. That's what's behind the ugly treatment of OP's DH who is the one who did all the legwork to find new tickets (and who is getting zero credit for that effort as far as I can see).

Grandma even turned this whole thing into All About Her and did the ultimate bad faith thing: She dredged up the past and dredged up money issues: OP quotes her as saying, "We paid for private school and worked really hard and never got to do that with you. Maybe you would have been better off just going to public school and having kids in HS so you would be more dependent on me."

DCUM normally would have a screaming fit at that statement as pure toxic (grand)parenting, but for some bizarre reason is letting it slide and focusing instead on the kid's role here, not on grandma's crystal clear control and entitlement issues. Sure, the boy should not have texted or contacted an adult like he did; OP, you need to talk to him about how issues like plane tickets and travel plans were not something to get involved in, though you know he meant it as a way of indicating he wants the grandparents to come visit. But he should not do this again.

Then, OP, in your shoes, I'd tell mom and dad, sorry but we've expended all the time and energy we can on this trip and since the airports and travel arrangements don't suit you, we won't see you this holiday, but maybe we can all visit in the spring when there is better weather for flying and less stress around the holidays.

In short, I wouldn't even WANT to see them after all this drama. Your son did ramp up the drama but unless he was instructed or encouraged to contact them by an adult -- he did not do so out of any intent to add to the problems and I would give him a talk about not texting anyone on your devices or on his own, and let it go. OP, if you're not already, get some counseling for you as the adult daughter, to detach more from your parents, especially your mom who guilts you and tosses your upbringing into your face. Learn not to let their FOMO and jealousy that you take trips with your own family affect you. I really would reduce the amount of time spent with them if your mom says things like you recount.

And OP please ignore all the "you are terrible parents" crap on this thread; those are PPs focused only on your kid's mistake in contacting them and trying to "help." The real issue is your picky, huffy, self-centered, demanding, jealous, inflexible parents. I'd take off now for another family vacation somewhere, as soon as I told mom and dad, no trip, maybe see you in the spring or summer.


OP here. This poster gets it. Thank you for summarizing and understanding everything I was trying to say. For context, we were all sitting in DH and my bed, me, my two kids and DH. And yes, my DH is a saint. He is the type of person who is always thinking of others, looking for solutions and problems and giving of his abundance (points, upgrades, offering to pay for tickets). DS was on his Ipad texting grandma on the group text (My phone is connected to the Ipad).

You got it. Thank you, dear poster. Already in therapy. Already talked to son about not texting adults trying to help. And DS is pretty savvy. He can pull up Google flights and sort by cost and airports. That's not super advanced. And he is very thoughtful and close to grandparents.

End result: DH found another flight and called my dad and mom individually. Offered to pay for it. Parents declined. We understand and will have them visit later. There is something else going on as it was a diret flight, first class, with ability to check bags. Only reason to check bags was holiday gifts. We are taking DS and DD skiing with his aunt tomorrow locally.
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Sometimes trying to "help" is trying to "control".

OP - look in the mirror.
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Anonymous wrote:Trying to re-book travel is stressful during normal times, let alone this week. I think you offer to help find flights *once* then back off and let them handle it. Having an 8yo involved is too much. Add in the stress of a trial and I can totally understand why your dad was snappish.

Why did you tell your 8yo what his grandparents said? Just say they’re very busy right now and we need to leave them be to sort things out.


PP here again. What’s the deal with your mom? She thinks everyone who goes to public school has kids during their teen years? Odd.


OP here. This is in no way related, just some gross generalization my mom likes surmise, that friends of ours who had children in high school are closer to their parents/grandparents and that we would have been closer as a family if we did not go away to college and move to DC. My mom is from a huge family and her siblings mainly have adult children locally who had children at a young age. For DC standards, parents are young (had me in law school, siblings in mid to late 20s) whereas DH and I had our children in late 30s/early 40s
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Anonymous wrote:Trying to re-book travel is stressful during normal times, let alone this week. I think you offer to help find flights *once* then back off and let them handle it. Having an 8yo involved is too much. Add in the stress of a trial and I can totally understand why your dad was snappish.

Why did you tell your 8yo what his grandparents said? Just say they’re very busy right now and we need to leave them be to sort things out.


PP here again. What’s the deal with your mom? She thinks everyone who goes to public school has kids during their teen years? Odd.


OP here. This is in no way related, just some gross generalization my mom likes surmise, that friends of ours who had children in high school are closer to their parents/grandparents and that we would have been closer as a family if we did not go away to college and move to DC. My mom is from a huge family and her siblings mainly have adult children locally who had children at a young age. For DC standards, parents are young (had me in law school, siblings in mid to late 20s) whereas DH and I had our children in late 30s/early 40s


Why do you keep saying your parents are young? They had you when they were what, 25? and you are presumably at least 45 now because you have an 8 year old. That makes them around 70.
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Anonymous wrote:This morning, my 8 year old son sent my mom texts that said (from son's name) and were clearly written by an 8 year old. He said that my DH had found tickets for them and offered to use his status and points. He said that the ticket prices were increasing. He asked my mom (or dad) to call me and DH. He then FaceTimed my mom two hours later, as he had the flight schedule on his tablet and saw the price changes. My mom was texting us all morning in a group text and separate texts plus my dad was sending group texts from when his flights were canceled until he called me from my mom's phone (he has never done that) to ask DS, age 8, to "just stop" and that he was not going to fly to DC unless he could fly to DCA only (DH found flights to Dulles and BWI, which we offered to pickup parents), unless the flight was allowing checked bags (my parent's airline had suggested only carryon and my parents NEVER check bags), unless my husband had found direct flights from their city to DCA at the same time as the flight he had prior. My DS is devastated.

...But my 8 year old called her from his Ipad

...DS is really hurt that my parents yelled at him and were "unkind". I explained to DS that my parents should not have reacted to a child like that, but they have anxiety about traveling and are not savvy about prices going up and can't make quick decisions.

Some red flags here OP. Are you the same type of mom who complains about teachers at your children's school in front of the kids?

There is currently an epidemic of anxiety and depression going on in this country. I believe that much of it, especially in the DMV, can be attributed to parents who treat their children like little adults. The undue pressure this puts on children robs them of their childhood and doesn't give them the chance to be kids, to play, and to learn life skills in an organic and gradual way. Maybe time to re-evaluate how much, and what information you share with DS8.

Since you come from a family with some challenging/wound up parents, it'll be even more important for you to establish these boundaries with your own child.


This. Op discuss this situation with your therapist and your sons (if he has one). This is a mess
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Your child is being adultified somehow. It's not good. Not because it's annoying to your parents, but because the atmosphere around him is such that he feels like it's reasonable and/or necessary for him to dive in and help adults. That is the single most important thing to change about this situation.

Your parents are a mess. Leave them to their own business with that. You are responsible for the kid, and he needs to BE a kid. You will not get that by ordering him to "just stop" and no one else saying it will accomplish it either.
Anonymous
It sounds like OP and her DH heard about the cancelled flight and then set up a crisis room on their bed to fix the situation using their superior technological prowess, their credit card, and their airline points. They were all running on adrenaline, the 8yo felt emotionally invested and wanted to jump in too. All laudable motives and solving a crisis situation like that can feel very satisfying and rewarding! It could have gone well but it backfired due to a poor relationship with grandparents (not sure who responsible for that and it doesn’t matter). Nothing more to do than move on, which it sounds like OP has already done.
Anonymous
Lol- the only post that OP acknowledged after 9 pages was another super long, super specific one that supported her position. (Ahem, sock puppet)

Proves the rest of us were right after all.
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Anonymous wrote:Lol- the only post that OP acknowledged after 9 pages was another super long, super specific one that supported her position. (Ahem, sock puppet)

Proves the rest of us were right after all.


+1

And amazing how that “dear poster” took the time to mine (and apparently found and highlighted) through to find all the “pertinent” info that OP really, really, really wanted everyone else to see.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sometimes trying to "help" is trying to "control".

OP - look in the mirror.


The kid is 8. He was trying to help. Too bad he wasted his efforts on nutty grandparents.
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Anonymous wrote:Even if we agree the "just stop" is rude, I think it's one of those moments you forgive because of a stressful situation.


To another adult, sure.

To your 8yo grandson? No. Pull up your grampy underpants and say it kindly.

You think 8 year old was acting totally autonomously without OPs prompting? Be safe of course the kid knows about DHs point status and luggage requirements.

OP, stop setting your kid up for heartbreak by using him like a pawn in whatever you need to validate yourself and your relationship with your parents. Travel is iffy right now, and your parent has an important work engagement that is taking up his bandwidth. You got the vacation you wanted; stop competing with your father’s WORK.


Working travel apps on an iPad isn’t that hard. Sounds like some of the details, like dad’s offer, were shared with everyone.

Dick move.


Just stop, OP. You were in the wrong. Do better next time.


I’m not OP. Kid was trying to help. Grandpa was a jerk. OP & family are better off not seeing them.

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Anonymous wrote:Even if we agree the "just stop" is rude, I think it's one of those moments you forgive because of a stressful situation.


To another adult, sure.

To your 8yo grandson? No. Pull up your grampy underpants and say it kindly.


How do you know it was unkind? Were you there? Why is mom letting the kid text, FaceTime, and call his grandparents repeatedly over this? Grandpa was at work. Do you allow your kids to harass you at work?


Kid is jumping on the couch? “Just stop” could work.

Kid trying to help his grandparents? “Just stop” is dismissive and rude.


No. Stop trying to paint grandpa as the bad guy. “Just stop” is fine in any context. The kid is 8. If he can’t handle being told to just stop, OP needs to work on that with her kid.


No, it was rude and dismissive. The kid was trying to help.
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Anonymous wrote:Even if we agree the "just stop" is rude, I think it's one of those moments you forgive because of a stressful situation.


To another adult, sure.

To your 8yo grandson? No. Pull up your grampy underpants and say it kindly.

You think 8 year old was acting totally autonomously without OPs prompting? Be safe of course the kid knows about DHs point status and luggage requirements.

OP, stop setting your kid up for heartbreak by using him like a pawn in whatever you need to validate yourself and your relationship with your parents. Travel is iffy right now, and your parent has an important work engagement that is taking up his bandwidth. You got the vacation you wanted; stop competing with your father’s WORK.


Working travel apps on an iPad isn’t that hard. Sounds like some of the details, like dad’s offer, were shared with everyone.

Dick move.


Just stop, OP. You were in the wrong. Do better next time.


I’m not OP. Kid was trying to help. Grandpa was a jerk. OP & family are better off not seeing them.



Grandpa said nothing to the kid. Stop making up your own facts and read the OP.
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Anonymous wrote:Even if we agree the "just stop" is rude, I think it's one of those moments you forgive because of a stressful situation.


To another adult, sure.

To your 8yo grandson? No. Pull up your grampy underpants and say it kindly.


How do you know it was unkind? Were you there? Why is mom letting the kid text, FaceTime, and call his grandparents repeatedly over this? Grandpa was at work. Do you allow your kids to harass you at work?


OP said they yelled at him.


So you only read the title and not the novel. Here is what OP actually said: "My mom was texting us all morning in a group text and separate texts plus my dad was sending group texts from when his flights were canceled until he called me from my mom's phone (he has never done that) to ask DS, age 8, to "just stop" and that he was not going to fly to DC unless he could fly to DCA only"

Sorry you have poor reading comprehension and have been on a rampage against Grandpa for no reason.


No, that wasn’t in the title and I read the whole thing. Keep going.

“DS is really hurt that my parents yelled at him and were "unkind".”

What were you saying about reading comprehension?
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Anonymous wrote:Even if we agree the "just stop" is rude, I think it's one of those moments you forgive because of a stressful situation.


To another adult, sure.

To your 8yo grandson? No. Pull up your grampy underpants and say it kindly.

You think 8 year old was acting totally autonomously without OPs prompting? Be safe of course the kid knows about DHs point status and luggage requirements.

OP, stop setting your kid up for heartbreak by using him like a pawn in whatever you need to validate yourself and your relationship with your parents. Travel is iffy right now, and your parent has an important work engagement that is taking up his bandwidth. You got the vacation you wanted; stop competing with your father’s WORK.


Working travel apps on an iPad isn’t that hard. Sounds like some of the details, like dad’s offer, were shared with everyone.

Dick move.


Just stop, OP. You were in the wrong. Do better next time.


I’m not OP. Kid was trying to help. Grandpa was a jerk. OP & family are better off not seeing them.



Grandpa said nothing to the kid. Stop making up your own facts and read the OP.


They yelled at the kid. Read the whole thing.
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