Are We Talking about Hurricane Ian?

Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:First, Sanibel is not an island full of rich people’s vacation homes. There is an entire community on that island. It’s been a long time since a storm has hit this part of Florida. When I lived in Mississippi, our house was damaged by a tornado. Twice. Does that mean no one should live in tornado prone states? We had snowmageden in NoVA. That was an expensive storm. Should the entire mid-Atlantic be desolate? I was in an earthquake in California. No one should live there? Hurricane Ewa hit while I was living in Hawaii. Most parts of the US are prone to some type of National disaster. We’ve owned our home in Florida for 30 years. We are coastal. We have never even lost a shingle.

Second, Florida has plenty of money. That’s why our kids don’t pay to go to college. That’s why we have no state income tax. Tourism is very lucrative. Rebuilding will be expensive. Tourist dollars will help.

Finally, if you’ve never lived in Florida, your opinions on evacuation, storm readiness, housing, etc are meaningless. You have no idea what you are talking about.


Fine, as long as you don't ask for Federal money to rebuild, we'll stay out of your business. Deal?


ALL states receive federal assistance after a national disaster. Not just Florida.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:First, Sanibel is not an island full of rich people’s vacation homes. There is an entire community on that island. It’s been a long time since a storm has hit this part of Florida. When I lived in Mississippi, our house was damaged by a tornado. Twice. Does that mean no one should live in tornado prone states? We had snowmageden in NoVA. That was an expensive storm. Should the entire mid-Atlantic be desolate? I was in an earthquake in California. No one should live there? Hurricane Ewa hit while I was living in Hawaii. Most parts of the US are prone to some type of National disaster. We’ve owned our home in Florida for 30 years. We are coastal. We have never even lost a shingle.

Second, Florida has plenty of money. That’s why our kids don’t pay to go to college. That’s why we have no state income tax. Tourism is very lucrative. Rebuilding will be expensive. Tourist dollars will help.

Finally, if you’ve never lived in Florida, your opinions on evacuation, storm readiness, housing, etc are meaningless. You have no idea what you are talking about.


Fine, as long as you don't ask for Federal money to rebuild, we'll stay out of your business. Deal?


ALL states receive federal assistance after a national disaster. Not just Florida.

Yes, but Florida had a whole bunch of members of Congress who didn’t vote for federal assistance after disasters that weren’t in Florida.
Anonymous
Sanibel Island is a little paradise and brought many wonderful memories for many. There are all types of homes there and is not only for the rich. Very arrogant and insensitive statements in this thread.
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Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.


Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.


How many millions in tax dollars are you willing to spend to rebuild it? In 2004 the new bridge was built for 137 million(lasted what 8 years?), beach replenishment 6-10 million, rebuilt the road 3-5 million so 6700 people can live in multiple million dollar homes on a sand bar? No they have to pay for that themselves.

Never having been to Florida or read that much about the state, I don’t actually know much about Sanibel Island; I had the vague idea it was for very wealthy people. Whether or not these are second (or third or fourth) homes, I don’t feel comfortable bailing out the kind people who can afford to buy a tiny little condo for 800K or a nice mansion for $4M, especially not when it’s not unlikely to need to be bailed out again what with the way global warming is super powering hurricanes. Let’s not pretend that Sanibel Island is some historic working class neighborhood that needs help. It isn’t. https://www.redfin.com/city/16325/FL/Sanibel/filter/viewport=26.45208:26.43071:-82.02361:-82.05524

why do you assume Sanibel's existence only benefits wealthy people? You don't think there are (non-rich) people who work in the tourism industry that generates ...oh, $4 billion per year on the island? The hotel clerks? The fishing boat operators? The small business owners? The restaurant servers? Those who work for the wildlife refuges that make up half the island? The librarians? Sanibel is not some walled off (metaphorical) island. There are many, many people whose livelihood revolves around Sanibel Island.

Worms for brains, I swear.

If you really want to protect the wildlife, you’re making the case for a ferry vs a bridge that can easily bring everyone and their uncle over.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sanibel Island is a little paradise and brought many wonderful memories for many. There are all types of homes there and is not only for the rich. Very arrogant and insensitive statements in this thread.

The prices on the island say otherwise.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:First, Sanibel is not an island full of rich people’s vacation homes. There is an entire community on that island. It’s been a long time since a storm has hit this part of Florida. When I lived in Mississippi, our house was damaged by a tornado. Twice. Does that mean no one should live in tornado prone states? We had snowmageden in NoVA. That was an expensive storm. Should the entire mid-Atlantic be desolate? I was in an earthquake in California. No one should live there? Hurricane Ewa hit while I was living in Hawaii. Most parts of the US are prone to some type of National disaster. We’ve owned our home in Florida for 30 years. We are coastal. We have never even lost a shingle.

Second, Florida has plenty of money. That’s why our kids don’t pay to go to college. That’s why we have no state income tax. Tourism is very lucrative. Rebuilding will be expensive. Tourist dollars will help.

Finally, if you’ve never lived in Florida, your opinions on evacuation, storm readiness, housing, etc are meaningless. You have no idea what you are talking about.


Fine, as long as you don't ask for Federal money to rebuild, we'll stay out of your business. Deal?


ALL states receive federal assistance after a national disaster. Not just Florida.

Yes, but Florida had a whole bunch of members of Congress who didn’t vote for federal assistance after disasters that weren’t in Florida.


Not enough to matter. If they had the deciding vote, then it would matter.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:There was so much advanced warning. I do not understand all these submerged cars. Aren't people bright enough to do things like take your car to a parking structure and park on an upper floor? Or are people just counting on insurance?


There wasn't much warning for Naples and Ft Myers. The hurricane was due to hit Tampa Bay head on - then took a turn. People have had to react very quickly and don't have tons of options. How many upper floor parking structures do you think were available in the 12 hours before a cat 4 hurricane hit?


Larger question: why on earth own property in Florida? At some point it's going to take extensive storm/flood damage. Even inland, there's threat to life and property in Ian's path.


I have the same question.

Ever since I read in The Atlantic about a woman complaining to Miami City about water (aka the ocean) in her yard, I lost interest in living there.
Anonymous
I wonder if any more high rise condos will collapse due to this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sanibel Island is a little paradise and brought many wonderful memories for many. There are all types of homes there and is not only for the rich. Very arrogant and insensitive statements in this thread.


That place was paved over a lone time ago. If people want to live there, let them pay for the rebuild themselves. The bridge will cost 200-300 million by itself. It is very arrogant and entitled think the rest of the country should pay for it.
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Anonymous wrote:I had to turn the volume down on the TV and just read the captions—the national reporters they deploy to these disasters sound positively gleeful as they stand out in the whipping wind like idiots. I wish they’d let their local affiliates do the reporting, since they actually know something about the area.


I’ve been watching the Weather Channel today. No dramatic reporting just the weather.

Um, the Weather Channel pretty much originated the dramatic reporting PP was talking about.


Why do they still stick their reporters out in the wind and rain and in the path of debris? Imagine if it had been a flying piece of roofing iron.


I refuse to watch news companies risk lives like this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, so sad. My parents are Sanibel snowbirds and always drive down from NY the second weekend in October. (That's obviously not happening this year.) It is our family's happy place.

My parents knew people who did not evacuate and those people are going to have to be evacuated by boat or air because that causeway is the only way onto the island by land.

It's very early in assessing damage, but I've seen some comments from people saying it may be a total loss. Too many sections damaged, and what is still intact probably can't be trusted. It's going to be ferries for several months at least.


Why should the bridge and road be rebuilt for vacation homes? It looks like the island is cut in a few places and they lost a lot of sand/beach. I wonder are the sewer and fresh water systems still intact? They will have to totally rebuild the island’s beach. It will cost millions and there is no guarantee another storm will not take every think out in a year or two. I really hope the federal government does not paid for the rebuild of the island.

6700 people live there. It’s not all vacation homes.


How many millions in tax dollars are you willing to spend to rebuild it? In 2004 the new bridge was built for 137 million(lasted what 8 years?), beach replenishment 6-10 million, rebuilt the road 3-5 million so 6700 people can live in multiple million dollar homes on a sand bar? No they have to pay for that themselves.

Never having been to Florida or read that much about the state, I don’t actually know much about Sanibel Island; I had the vague idea it was for very wealthy people. Whether or not these are second (or third or fourth) homes, I don’t feel comfortable bailing out the kind people who can afford to buy a tiny little condo for 800K or a nice mansion for $4M, especially not when it’s not unlikely to need to be bailed out again what with the way global warming is super powering hurricanes. Let’s not pretend that Sanibel Island is some historic working class neighborhood that needs help. It isn’t. https://www.redfin.com/city/16325/FL/Sanibel/filter/viewport=26.45208:26.43071:-82.02361:-82.05524

why do you assume Sanibel's existence only benefits wealthy people? You don't think there are (non-rich) people who work in the tourism industry that generates ...oh, $4 billion per year on the island? The hotel clerks? The fishing boat operators? The small business owners? The restaurant servers? Those who work for the wildlife refuges that make up half the island? The librarians? Sanibel is not some walled off (metaphorical) island. There are many, many people whose livelihood revolves around Sanibel Island.

Worms for brains, I swear.


Sure “the help” lives on the island in those big houses. You sound privileged and clueless. 98% white with medium house cost is 1.3 million. The median income for a family was $138,194. Median household income in Florida $57,700 and medium house cost 382,000. Just because you are rich does not mean other people have to pay for you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I had to turn the volume down on the TV and just read the captions—the national reporters they deploy to these disasters sound positively gleeful as they stand out in the whipping wind like idiots. I wish they’d let their local affiliates do the reporting, since they actually know something about the area.


I’ve been watching the Weather Channel today. No dramatic reporting just the weather.

Um, the Weather Channel pretty much originated the dramatic reporting PP was talking about.


Why do they still stick their reporters out in the wind and rain and in the path of debris? Imagine if it had been a flying piece of roofing iron.


I refuse to watch news companies risk lives like this.


Jim Cantore was having the time of his life. A tree? What a thrill!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Sanibel Island is a little paradise and brought many wonderful memories for many. There are all types of homes there and is not only for the rich. Very arrogant and insensitive statements in this thread.


LOL. I am one of the posters who said we shouldn’t rebuild sanibel. I rent because I can’t afford to own and I probably never will in my lifetime. But sure all of these DCUMers with incomes of 300k and up who looooove sanibel have to have their exclusive oasis rebuilt. GTFO
Anonymous
How will it be determined what the federal government pays for and doesn’t? I know de Santis already requested a lot of money, and it was approved (??)
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:How will it be determined what the federal government pays for and doesn’t? I know de Santis already requested a lot of money, and it was approved (??)


DeSantis will probably use the money to pay for airplanes to send people to other states. He seems good at that.
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