Lyon Village - please explain

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Anonymous wrote:LV public schools are diverse. No question about that. The neighborhood is much less diverse but plenty of mixed race families.

Yes, some POC choose LV over 22207 bc it’s absolutely more diverse in terms of classmates, and even neighbors, to a lesser extent.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

No, it’s not pot meeting kettle at all. It’s 2022, not 1988. Different times. As I said, if I were doing it today I’d make a different choice. In fact, my kids HAVE made a different choice with our grandkids, raising them in much more diverse environment and schools, and I honestly think the kids are better off as a result. You all are making the same rather backwards choices today that we made a generation ago.

Also, out of genuine curiosity, other than schools what are the marvelous county services that you’re taking advantage of specifically for your kids that they can’t get in DC?

My kids go to Gunston, which is very diverse. We like in a part of Arlington that is more walkable than our DC neighborhood was The marvelous city service I take advantage of is school buses! That and a much better array of county summer camps and tennis lessons. We left DC in part because of lack of school buses. Driving our kids to and from school was miserable.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

I'm OP and sorry for the Capitol Hill diversion. I'm not intended to make this a thread about the Hill. But the important point about the Hill is in fact that the Hill families leaving in search of better schools/less crime *do not have $3 mil* to buy in Lyon Village. They maybe have $1 - $1.5 mil.

I think they go to Alexandria and other parts of Fairfax. They mostly still want a SFH and can’t afford that in Arlington and even Falls Church City.

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Anonymous wrote:Just one person here, but I would never live in DC. I would live in Arlington though. I know a lot of people who feel the same. The homes in Arlington have a larger number of people who want to live there.

Reasons - schools, crime, universities, taxes, space, daycare, kids activities.

But would you pay $3mil for Lyon Village, if you had it? I’m well aware of all the reasons people move to Virginia. Lyon Village seems tremendously over valued even so.

Can’t say it’s overvalued given that an extremely high number of folks want in and are wiling to pay a lot to do so. It may not be your cup of tea, but for many, many, many people, it’s the best of the hellscape known as nova.

OP here. I believe my problem is that I don’t understand the “hellscape known as nova”. If I did, I would understand Lyon Village better!

I am guessing, from your posts, that there's a lot you don't understand.

Well I still haven’t heard from anyone who has or would pay $3mil to live there just to be able to walk to … checks notes … Clarendon.

Posters are either trolls or twats when they’re being deliberately obtuse. Repeatedly.

People have explained the appeal multiple times - it’s not just “Clarendon”.

People have explained the appeal at 1.3mil. Not 3 mil.

Why do you care? Plenty of people buy there who could afford a SFH in any neighborhood choose Lyon Village because it works best for their household. How can you only imagine people would want to live on the Hill? Are you an intern?

I care because information is free? I'm just curious about economics and the market. My theory right now is an influx of buyers who like "urban" with more $$ than the previous buyers who prioritized "urban walkability." Ergo: Amazon money. We'll be seeing the Cupertino-fication of Arlington RE now.

LV has always had a premium. Long before Amazon.

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LV commands a premium because in this area, you have people who can afford $3M houses but who still need to schlep downtown to work long hours every day. They want an easy commute, safe neighborhood and nice single family houses.

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Anonymous wrote:Just one person here, but I would never live in DC. I would live in Arlington though. I know a lot of people who feel the same. The homes in Arlington have a larger number of people who want to live there.

Reasons - schools, crime, universities, taxes, space, daycare, kids activities.

But would you pay $3mil for Lyon Village, if you had it? I’m well aware of all the reasons people move to Virginia. Lyon Village seems tremendously over valued even so.

Can’t say it’s overvalued given that an extremely high number of folks want in and are wiling to pay a lot to do so. It may not be your cup of tea, but for many, many, many people, it’s the best of the hellscape known as nova.

OP here. I believe my problem is that I don’t understand the “hellscape known as nova”. If I did, I would understand Lyon Village better!

I am guessing, from your posts, that there's a lot you don't understand.

Well I still haven’t heard from anyone who has or would pay $3mil to live there just to be able to walk to … checks notes … Clarendon.

Posters are either trolls or twats when they’re being deliberately obtuse. Repeatedly.

People have explained the appeal multiple times - it’s not just “Clarendon”.

People have explained the appeal at 1.3mil. Not 3 mil.

Why do you care? Plenty of people buy there who could afford a SFH in any neighborhood choose Lyon Village because it works best for their household. How can you only imagine people would want to live on the Hill? Are you an intern?

I care because information is free? I'm just curious about economics and the market. My theory right now is an influx of buyers who like "urban" with more $$ than the previous buyers who prioritized "urban walkability." Ergo: Amazon money. We'll be seeing the Cupertino-fication of Arlington RE now.

LV has always had a premium. Long before Amazon.

+1. It’s not a new thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

And re: the accusation of racism: We know people who were planning to send their kids to an incredibly diverse DC public school. They finally left because of gun violence on their street- multiple instances of gun violence, one which ended in a death. There are people who are happy to send their kids to diverse public schools but will not tolerate violent crime. That’s not racism.

As I said, the parents get older and their kids get older, and the paranoia about crime sets in. Yes, crime is worse in DC. Far worse. And something really needs to be done. But your kids are not going to get murdered. Really. They’re not.

That’s pretty easy for you to say because you never had to worry about it. Crouching down during a drive-by and worrying about stray bullets isn’t paranoia. Just stop.

Actually I have experienced something close to that, and you’re wrong to assume that I haven’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Curious - where did you relocate to?

Logan

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

No, it’s not pot meeting kettle at all. It’s 2022, not 1988. Different times. As I said, if I were doing it today I’d make a different choice. In fact, my kids HAVE made a different choice with our grandkids, raising them in much more diverse environment and schools, and I honestly think the kids are better off as a result. You all are making the same rather backwards choices today that we made a generation ago.

Also, out of genuine curiosity, other than schools what are the marvelous county services that you’re taking advantage of specifically for your kids that they can’t get in DC?

My kids go to Gunston, which is very diverse. We like in a part of Arlington that is more walkable than our DC neighborhood was The marvelous city service I take advantage of is school buses! That and a much better array of county summer camps and tennis lessons. We left DC in part because of lack of school buses. Driving our kids to and from school was miserable.

Our grandkids in DC walk across the street for school. I’m not sure why you would expect DC to bus your kids all over the city because you chose to bypass the neighborhood school.

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

And re: the accusation of racism: We know people who were planning to send their kids to an incredibly diverse DC public school. They finally left because of gun violence on their street- multiple instances of gun violence, one which ended in a death. There are people who are happy to send their kids to diverse public schools but will not tolerate violent crime. That’s not racism.

As I said, the parents get older and their kids get older, and the paranoia about crime sets in. Yes, crime is worse in DC. Far worse. And something really needs to be done. But your kids are not going to get murdered. Really. They’re not.

That’s pretty easy for you to say because you never had to worry about it. Crouching down during a drive-by and worrying about stray bullets isn’t paranoia. Just stop.

Actually I have experienced something close to that, and you’re wrong to assume that I haven’t.

You and your family experienced a drive-by in your 22207 neighborhood?

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Anonymous wrote:Walkability to what? A couple of grocery stores? Clarendon is a fast fading jumble of boring.

stores, salons, post office, restaurants, banks, you name it

The restaurants in Clarendon are bad and overpriced. I would know, I lived there for 10 years. But yes, you are right there are a lot of banks and two post offices. Sooo exciting.

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Lived in Lyon park from 96-2011. It was fun when I was young and right out of college. I bought sfh and rented rooms
And had a blast.
We grew out of the area and built in ballston. No regrets, no mortgage so I cannot bash the area.

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Anonymous wrote:Walkability to what? A couple of grocery stores? Clarendon is a fast fading jumble of boring.

Clarendon is a jumble of chain stores and traffic

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Anonymous wrote:Capitol Hill tends to attract younger families with younger children who are transitioning from urban to suburban living. When the kids get older, the families start getting more Karen-esqe and become overly paranoid about crime and obsessive about the test scores and demographic make up of the local schools. And, yes, they won’t say it but they think it: too many black people.

Lyon Village affords an escape from all of this. To the poster who says that there are plenty of black people In Arlington, that’s really not true and certainly not true in Lyon Village. It’s white and sterile AF and that’s the demographic it attracts. There’s nothing urban about it.

When we became empty nesters about a decade ago, we were living in North Arlington by the McLean border. We really wanted a more lively, walkable, and truly urban experience. We looked closely in Lyon Village because we were very comfortable with Arlington and it seemed like a safe next step. But when we looked more closely we realized it was basically the same people and way of thing as where we were already living - just packed much more closely together. There’s nothing more interesting about it in terms of people than 22207 except it has bars for the white frat bros. We decided it wasn’t what we wanted and focused on DC.

There’s little question that Arlington’s public services are better than DC’s. But we have had very little need for DC services other than trash pick up and the DMV and they both measure up just fine to Arlington in our experience.

You don’t really notice just how white that part of Arlington is when you’re living there. Once you leave it’s readily apparent. We wouldn’t say we regret raising our family there exactly - we and our kids have very fond memories - but were we starting in 2022 we’d do things differently.

Wait so you lived in the most isolated part of N Arlington and are now accusing others of moving to Arlington to avoid black people. Pot meet kettle.

And of course you don't use city services, you are an empty nester!! We use Arlington services for our kids all the time.

No, it’s not pot meeting kettle at all. It’s 2022, not 1988. Different times. As I said, if I were doing it today I’d make a different choice. In fact, my kids HAVE made a different choice with our grandkids, raising them in much more diverse environment and schools, and I honestly think the kids are better off as a result. You all are making the same rather backwards choices today that we made a generation ago.

Also, out of genuine curiosity, other than schools what are the marvelous county services that you’re taking advantage of specifically for your kids that they can’t get in DC?

My kids go to Gunston, which is very diverse. We like in a part of Arlington that is more walkable than our DC neighborhood was The marvelous city service I take advantage of is school buses! That and a much better array of county summer camps and tennis lessons. We left DC in part because of lack of school buses. Driving our kids to and from school was miserable.

Our grandkids in DC walk across the street for school. I’m not sure why you would expect DC to bus your kids all over the city because you chose to bypass the neighborhood school.

Is there a high school and middle school across the street too? You seem to have a lot of opinions for someone who never raised your own kids in DC

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Anonymous wrote:Just one person here, but I would never live in DC. I would live in Arlington though. I know a lot of people who feel the same. The homes in Arlington have a larger number of people who want to live there.

Reasons - schools, crime, universities, taxes, space, daycare, kids activities.

But would you pay $3mil for Lyon Village, if you had it? I’m well aware of all the reasons people move to Virginia. Lyon Village seems tremendously over valued even so.

Can’t say it’s overvalued given that an extremely high number of folks want in and are wiling to pay a lot to do so. It may not be your cup of tea, but for many, many, many people, it’s the best of the hellscape known as nova.

OP here. I believe my problem is that I don’t understand the “hellscape known as nova”. If I did, I would understand Lyon Village better!

I am guessing, from your posts, that there's a lot you don't understand.

Well I still haven’t heard from anyone who has or would pay $3mil to live there just to be able to walk to … checks notes … Clarendon.

Posters are either trolls or twats when they’re being deliberately obtuse. Repeatedly.

People have explained the appeal multiple times - it’s not just “Clarendon”.

People have explained the appeal at 1.3mil. Not 3 mil.

Why do you care? Plenty of people buy there who could afford a SFH in any neighborhood choose Lyon Village because it works best for their household. How can you only imagine people would want to live on the Hill? Are you an intern?

I care because information is free? I'm just curious about economics and the market. My theory right now is an influx of buyers who like "urban" with more $$ than the previous buyers who prioritized "urban walkability." Ergo: Amazon money. We'll be seeing the Cupertino-fication of Arlington RE now.

LV has always had a premium. Long before Amazon.

Except for the period from 1950 to 1975 when the old houses in Lyon Village were left behind when people moved to the suburbs. The old houses were turned into group houses and were very popular for grad students from Georgetown and GW. Some of the houses were sold to students by families who wanted to get rid of rundown housing. The building of Metro nearby and the commercial redevelopment created current interest in Lyon Village. Older houses were first renovated and — more recently — replaced with new houses.