4-6th graders FLE all genders together and more

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don’t see the problem with combining everyone.

As an adult I can totally understand why you would say that.

Except these are little kids and they don’t feel the same way 🤷‍♀️
You can want them not to be embarrassed but that doesn’t mean they won’t be embarrassed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

Wrong.

Separating kids by gender helps to empower girls and boys that they should feel comfortable keeping intimate, private moments private, without being pressured to make themselves uncomfortable, or put themselves at risk, just so some internet bully or advocate doesn't harrass them, call them -- phobic or call them a bigot.

It is empowering for our daughters to let them know that it is okay to maintain their own bodily privacy and that they should not be pressured, by anyone, including adults at school, to sacrifice their own sense of privacy to appease a fringe or the radical group of anti women idiots who comprise our school board.

+1,000

Thank you for being the voice of the majority.

[Anonymous]

Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has no idea what FLE looks like, at least in grades 5 and 6.

Some examples:

illustraions of vaginas
explanations and discussions of wet dreams
explanations of what to expect when breasts grow

And the kids DO ask questions. Lots of them.

The lessons are painfully explicit and just plain embarrassing for us as teachers.

I can't think of anything more uncomfortable and downright humiliating than being in a mixed gender class of tweenagers for these lessons.

Talk about making girls and boys uncomfortable and embarrassed about their bodies. Sheesh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

Sorry, but do you also discuss your son's "nighttime emissions" in front of your daughter? Do you ask her if her breasts are tender and display illustrations of penises and vaginas? Because FLE barely touches on tampons, if at all, but it does go into great detail in the other areas. The whole thing is uncomfortable, and I would call it one step from sexual harrassment to put the genders together for it. Certainly the reactions of boys and girls to various information would have a deep and negative impact on the opposite gender. Should girls really have to listen to boys asking questions and making comments about how gross menstruation is? Should boys have to sit there next to girls while the teacher shows a video about wet dreams and erections? It's just twisted to put them together, and not right at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think 6th graders are much more mature and further into puberty in general than 4th graders so I don’t see why they would be taught together. I don’t know why they were separated by sex.

Haha. As a 6th grade teacher, I can tell you 6th graders are definitely not mature.

I am convinced that the people advocating for combined elementary school sex ed have either never met a kid, know very few kids and have almost zero experience working with kids.

They also clearly know nothing about child development.

How on earth did these people end up calling the shots in schools?

Parents, please wake up before the 2023 school board elections.

Pay attention not just to what these people say, but also who and what groups endorse them.

Karl Frisch, for example, should never have been put in a position where he could mandata what kids learn and influence our school.

Dog catcher? Maybe.

But our precious children? Hell no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There is no way I want boys and girls combined in elementary school for FLE.

There is no good reason to combine them. Each group gets the same information. It is way too sensitive and embarrassing for the young kids otherwise.

And why is that? Think about what leads to something natural being embarrassing. It doesn’t have to be.

+1. We, as parents, were raised in households where these topics were embarrassing and not discussed. Not what we wanted for our kids. We sucked it up in our house with a DS 2 years older than a DD. And adopted the “it’s biology” approach and encouraged discussion no separated by genders.. And we ended up with a high school aged boy who comforted his sister when he went to make sure she was up for school and discovered she had bled through during the night and came and told us (DH and I) that she needed some help. Who had no issues buying her pads when he ran errands if she sent him a picture of the box and picking up her BC (terrible cramps) when he gets. ADHD meds filled. And a daughter who could tell us at the dinner table she had a sucky day because of period cramps and who gave her brother first dibs at the washing machine when he appeared with a pile of sheets, in a no teasing, “you go ahead” way.

Kids take their cues from adults. If the adults are embarrassed, they will be to. If the adults treat this as biological facts and NBD, kids will too.

Put another way— do you want your daughter to marry someone who will buy pads/ tampons on the grocery list, be sympathetic when she has a period, attend OB appointments when she is pregnant? Do you want kids who have healthy sex loves and communicate with their partner when issues arise? Then raise kids that way. You can’t act like this is super secret and embarrassing until high school or college and expect a kid not to internalize it.

Sorry, but do you also discuss your son's "nighttime emissions" in front of your daughter? Do you ask her if her breasts are tender and display illustrations of penises and vaginas? Because FLE barely touches on tampons, if at all, but it does go into great detail in the other areas. The whole thing is uncomfortable, and I would call it one step from sexual harrassment to put the genders together for it. Certainly the reactions of boys and girls to various information would have a deep and negative impact on the opposite gender. Should girls really have to listen to boys asking questions and making comments about how gross menstruation is? Should boys have to sit there next to girls while the teacher shows a video about wet dreams and erections? It's just twisted to put them together, and not right at all.

Adults would never be combined for any of this ingormation in a professional setting.

Children deserve the same respects, if not more.

The people who are advocating for this have never taken the time to schedule an appointment to view the sex ed material for fcps.

Parents, take the time to view the infor at your kids schools so you are educated on what is being taught and what your kid will now need to learn in a coed section.

Then think if you would want to go through this material with creepy Bob from IT sitting next to you.

I suspect you will be opting out your kids and teaching the material at home.

[Anonymous]

You don’t need to schedule an appointment. It was on blackboard, so I’m sure it transferred over. Every lesson, slide, script for teacher, student pages, etc. Everyone should be aware of what is in these lessons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has no idea what FLE looks like, at least in grades 5 and 6.

Some examples:

illustraions of vaginas
explanations and discussions of wet dreams
explanations of what to expect when breasts grow

And the kids DO ask questions. Lots of them.

The lessons are painfully explicit and just plain embarrassing for us as teachers.

I can't think of anything more uncomfortable and downright humiliating than being in a mixed gender class of tweenagers for these lessons.

Talk about making girls and boys uncomfortable and embarrassed about their bodies. Sheesh.

Of course no one asked the teachers how they feel about doing this! I totally feel uncomfortable. If the county wants to do this, then dedicated health teachers should be doing this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone who thinks this is a good idea has no idea what FLE looks like, at least in grades 5 and 6.

Some examples:

illustraions of vaginas
explanations and discussions of wet dreams
explanations of what to expect when breasts grow

And the kids DO ask questions. Lots of them.

The lessons are painfully explicit and just plain embarrassing for us as teachers.

I can't think of anything more uncomfortable and downright humiliating than being in a mixed gender class of tweenagers for these lessons.

Talk about making girls and boys uncomfortable and embarrassed about their bodies. Sheesh.

Of course no one asked the teachers how they feel about doing this! I totally feel uncomfortable. If the county wants to do this, then dedicated health teachers should be doing this.

Not only didn't they ask us, but they also didn't even listen when we complained about female teachers having to teach this to the boys in their classes. It's awful. We were told we were overreacting and to just shut up or face consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to schedule an appointment. It was on blackboard, so I’m sure it transferred over. Every lesson, slide, script for teacher, student pages, etc. Everyone should be aware of what is in these lessons.

That is great it is now on blackboard. We used to have to go in to view the lessons a few years back.

Sounds like there is no excuse not to be aware of the sex ed lessons.

I know that for high school, the boys watch a video of a fully nude adult man taking a shower, then examining his male genitals in full view of the camera. According to my boys, it is very explicit and quite embarrassing.

They watched that video in sex segragated groupings.

Now boys and girls will watch it together in the same room.

My boys have both said there is no way in hell they would feel comfortable watching that video sitting next to the girls in their classes.

Seriously.

Not a single one of the adults involved in this decision would sit and wat h that video right next to their opposite gender coworkers.

Would Omeishor Cohen watch the naked man examining his penis in a shower while sitting next to Karl Frisch????

I hardly tjink so.

If they are asking kids to do this sitting next to their opposite gender classmates, then the school hoard must first sit together with each other and go through every single part of the sex ed lesson sitting together with the entire gatehouse leadership, n the same room, with a fcps grade level teacher and administering each lesson.

This is for 10th grade, 14 to 16 year olds.

[Anonymous]

Was there any action on this? Did anything actually change? Is this still on the table?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

I'm in my 40s and embarrassed about periods and morning erections. Why do you think kids shouldn't be?

They are only embarrassed because adults perpetuate the mindset.

You may find coed menstruation natural and unembarrassing but you are not convincing me why I should.

Embarrassment is a learned behavior.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

I'm in my 40s and embarrassed about periods and morning erections. Why do you think kids shouldn't be?

Then opt your kid out and have them go through the curriculum at home with their same gender parent.

Fle needs toove to opt in instead of opt out.

FCK NO.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why shouldn't they combine everybody? Should only girls know about stuff?

Boys can still learn about girl stuff without girls being present. Just like girls can learn about boys without them being there. I remember being middle school and I would not want middle school boys sitting next to me when they talked about periods.

Separating out the kids by gender just reinforces the idea that girls need to be embarrassed about menstruation.

It’s 2022. It’s ok for boys to know that girls will get their periods. It’s ok for girls to know that boys get erections.

They’re all normal bodily functions. Nothing to be embarrassed about.

They’re not embarrassed because they get their cycle or erection. They’re embarrassed because they are 9-12 years old and don’t have have the maturity and experience to handle the feelings (and awkwardness) that accompany puberty…everything is embarrassing at this age. Why add to it?

This. The kids are embarrassed even in same sex groupings. They can barely look at the other gender afterwards. A lot of parents on here have no idea how difficult/uncomfortable teaching FLE can be.

Stop reinforcing that it should be embarrassing.

Does FCPS have a bunch of old or conservative teachers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah I don’t see the problem with combining everyone.

As an adult I can totally understand why you would say that.

Except these are little kids and they don’t feel the same way 🤷‍♀️
You can want them not to be embarrassed but that doesn’t mean they won’t be embarrassed.

Embarrassment is a learned behavior. Stop teaching your kids to be embarrassed by normal body things.