Taylor Elem - principal promoted

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Anonymous wrote:For the gifted kid parents, for what it's worth it settles out more in middle school because kids can choose intensified classes for all the core subjects (though they have to test into advanced math).

Intensified are new this year. What is going to act as a threshold of abilities to handle the class rather than having people trying to pad transcripts?

They have testing for math. Why not for other subjects?

Because they are not supposed to be gate-keeped by people like you who want to keep out kids who you perceive as not up to your own kid's level. Don't worry, your precious snowflake will be ok.

Honors classes generally have a GPA minimum or a teacher recommendation requirement. It’s the school who generally sets gatekeeping; these aren’t honors or real intensified courses, they have the same curriculum. They are just a charade to pacify parents who are concerned with how under engaged their smart students are in school.

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This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

BS. The superiority of FFX county at the elementary level is really questionable. Larger class sizes and an inferior reading curriculum. But depending on where in the county wealthier cohort. Probably a wash. And no a high quality private schools are not going to be equivalent to public schools with a possible exception for a place like TJ

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

BS. The superiority of FFX county at the elementary level is really questionable. Larger class sizes and an inferior reading curriculum. But depending on where in the county wealthier cohort. Probably a wash. And no a high quality private schools are not going to be equivalent to public schools with a possible exception for a place like TJ

Taylor has k-3 with 27/28 students so maybe in some idealized APS the classes are smaller than FCPS.

FCPS gives homework and holds higher expectations for academic products. APS elementary is very focused on leveling the lower end in preparation for middle school, and that’s it. The parents actively campaign against homework in fact.

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

If the request would be that identifying and not in the standard IEP accommodations list it is by definition outside the normal accommodations. But PP just like to be coy about what they were asking and throw unsupported complaints about KM.

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The irony of this whole fight over gifted kids actually getting services is that every North Arlington parent thinks their kid is gifted and even if they recognize that their kid isn’t they definitely don’t want them in any non gifted cohort. So gifted doesn’t actually mean anything within the parlance of APS, particularly at schools like Taylor and Jamestown, Nottingham, etc.

If it’s any consolidation, if you can afford to live in these districts, then it’s true that most of the kids are really bright in one way or another with very engaged educated parents and so your child’s peer group by definition is smart and that’s actually way more important to their educational path than 1 hour or whatever of special gifted services. Spending all your time with other bright motivated kids — even if the classroom lessons are boring sometimes — served my children now at elite schools just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

BS. The superiority of FFX county at the elementary level is really questionable. Larger class sizes and an inferior reading curriculum. But depending on where in the county wealthier cohort. Probably a wash. And no a high quality private schools are not going to be equivalent to public schools with a possible exception for a place like TJ

Taylor has k-3 with 27/28 students so maybe in some idealized APS the classes are smaller than FCPS.

FCPS gives homework and holds higher expectations for academic products. APS elementary is very focused on leveling the lower end in preparation for middle school, and that’s it. The parents actively campaign against homework in fact.

My early elem kid has never been in a class with more than 20 kids. So very much in the real, non-idealized world that isn’t the case. There’s also just the added chaos of FCPS elementary schools having a larger total number of kids.

There is very weak to nonexistent evidence of the effectiveness of homework for children in elementary school. Which is also why most of the better regarded private elementary schools tend not to have it for young children. So I’m not sure why you view that as a plus.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

BS. The superiority of FFX county at the elementary level is really questionable. Larger class sizes and an inferior reading curriculum. But depending on where in the county wealthier cohort. Probably a wash. And no a high quality private schools are not going to be equivalent to public schools with a possible exception for a place like TJ

Taylor has k-3 with 27/28 students so maybe in some idealized APS the classes are smaller than FCPS.

FCPS gives homework and holds higher expectations for academic products. APS elementary is very focused on leveling the lower end in preparation for middle school, and that’s it. The parents actively campaign against homework in fact.

My early elem kid has never been in a class with more than 20 kids. So very much in the real, non-idealized world that isn’t the case. There’s also just the added chaos of FCPS elementary schools having a larger total number of kids.

There is very weak to nonexistent evidence of the effectiveness of homework for children in elementary school. Which is also why most of the better regarded private elementary schools tend not to have it for young children. So I’m not sure why you view that as a plus.

What school?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread veered from the allegedly unmet needs of people’s SpEd students to the allegedly unmet needs of people’s gifted students 🤦‍♀️. I feel sorry for our school community that we cant see past the end of our own noses. Is everyone just going to complete the principal survey with a laundry list of what their particular child supposedly needs?

Kids mandated by law to have their needs met (SOL requirements etc for accreditation), and kids with IEP or squeaky wheel parents are the only ones that will get any attention from the teachers and principal. Thats the reality of our overcrowded and overtaxed school; if you aren't advocating for your student, they will coast along without anyone checking in on them.

If you are a wealthy family, and do a bunch of travel sports and know the career path for your child doesn't need strong academics, its a great fit as they can put the time into their sport and thrive there. Thats the mainstream APS parent. Parents who truly valued academics left for FFX or maybe private long ago.

BS. The superiority of FFX county at the elementary level is really questionable. Larger class sizes and an inferior reading curriculum. But depending on where in the county wealthier cohort. Probably a wash. And no a high quality private schools are not going to be equivalent to public schools with a possible exception for a place like TJ

Taylor has k-3 with 27/28 students so maybe in some idealized APS the classes are smaller than FCPS.

FCPS gives homework and holds higher expectations for academic products. APS elementary is very focused on leveling the lower end in preparation for middle school, and that’s it. The parents actively campaign against homework in fact.

My early elem kid has never been in a class with more than 20 kids. So very much in the real, non-idealized world that isn’t the case. There’s also just the added chaos of FCPS elementary schools having a larger total number of kids.

There is very weak to nonexistent evidence of the effectiveness of homework for children in elementary school. Which is also why most of the better regarded private elementary schools tend not to have it for young children. So I’m not sure why you view that as a plus.

What school?

Any of the ones with small classes on this report: https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2025/01/Class-Size-Report-SY-24.25.pdf

Taylor had zero K-3 classes with 27-28 kids this year, so either PP is lying or the report is wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

If the request would be that identifying and not in the standard IEP accommodations list it is by definition outside the normal accommodations. But PP just like to be coy about what they were asking and throw unsupported complaints about KM.

IEPs are about much more than accommodations so you're wrong again. And even for an accommodation, there may be a specific accommodation that a student needed that was denied so it could be identifying.

You are mixing up so much and I dont have time or patience to explain it to you. You think just because you did a little research now you're an expert.

You have no idea what you're talking about but yet you want to lay blame on families when you have no idea what they have been through.

You are CLUELESS.

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

If the request would be that identifying and not in the standard IEP accommodations list it is by definition outside the normal accommodations. But PP just like to be coy about what they were asking and throw unsupported complaints about KM.

Hi KM

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

If the request would be that identifying and not in the standard IEP accommodations list it is by definition outside the normal accommodations. But PP just like to be coy about what they were asking and throw unsupported complaints about KM.

IEPs are about much more than accommodations so you're wrong again. And even for an accommodation, there may be a specific accommodation that a student needed that was denied so it could be identifying.

You are mixing up so much and I dont have time or patience to explain it to you. You think just because you did a little research now you're an expert.

You have no idea what you're talking about but yet you want to lay blame on families when you have no idea what they have been through.

You are CLUELESS.

What exactly do you mean besides accommodations? Do you mean services like coaching? There’s all the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:I very much doubt any parent who describes the IEP or 504 process at Hamm as smooth and/or who waited until middle school to help their child. But then I see where a parent who describes kids finally get assistance as an onslaught as compared to a history of ignoring kids or sending them to a different school (seriously, PP? seriously?) probably would rather their own child was "normal."

Also, you can google accommodations, 504s, IEPs for elementary school kids. But you didn't do that when your kid needed them because you were ableist. So there's that.

Are none of you able to read my posts? I was saying that to someone who had been teaching for 20 years, the landscape had changed considerably and it could feel like an onslaught. It wasn’t my own impression.

Anyways, my kid did great in elementary school, it was no problem and had the highest ratings on standard base grading, high scores on SOL‘s, it was easy. But then when you get to middle school and the necessity of tracking homework and projects and actual test that matter, it became apparent the disorganization and executive function was

We are at HBW, and I suspect the fact that we have a counselor, i.e. a teacher who has a smaller subset of students may make it easier for our IEP to be met. I don’t know how it is at Hamm.

our psychologist was very clear that the school must provide the services, it’s the law and once you show up with the testing, they just check through the list of accommodations hard by law. What does the principal have to do? I just don’t understand?

I know that there are pullouts for social skills, we do not have experience with that, executive function, coaching, and then they do things like your kid at the front of the class and let them have tools to help them focus in class. I just don’t see where the principal gets involved.

So you've never had trouble getting your kid what they need at school. But others have. Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

It's hilarious that you think schools always follow the law automatically. They don't.

I’m asking at Taylor what services they are having trouble getting? It seems like for elementary school it’s pretty low hanging fruit.

DP. What is that based on though? You don’t seem to know what services would/could be available in elementary school so how would you know if it’s low hanging fruit? And also the person who started here might as well post her kids name if she’s just going to post the specific service they had trouble with. It’s not that big a school and the principal was only here since 2022.

I asked broadly what services. They told me to Google it. I did. I listed those services and don’t see why a principal would be involved in moving a kid to the front of the class or getting an organization binder.
They can list their bit along with other bits to be anonymous.

Then you have no idea how the special ed process works, and you definitely don't know how badly sped kids and families have been treated at Taylor. And you don't seem at all like you care, just want to minimize what other people have been through. Sorry if you liked this principal. Others did not.

I’m starting to see why she is dismissive of you parents. I’ve asked for concrete examples of the types of services that have been refused and what part she would play in it, and i get repeated directions to google it (which i have, as well as asked an LLM), and no help.

I expect your bad behavior will be noted by the teachers and will poison the well for the hiring process of a new principal. Thanks.

And it has been explained to you that you are asking for information that could out a child. Why are you so nosy? No one owes you private information.

I have listed a bunch of services for an IEP, I researched it on APS and other resources. None of it it really involves the principal. So it’s clear you were asking for something very special for your child, likely beyond the IEP requirements, and that’s why it will out your child. And that’s why KM likely didn’t accommodate you, because it was outside the norm, but you are convinced it’s a necessity. It’s clear thank you.

DP. This is the dumbest logic I have ever seen. You can’t say something is outside of the norm without even knowing what the disability is or what the request was! You don’t even know why KM disagreed it could’ve been she wanted more testing or any number of other reasons not directly related to what the request was.

If the request would be that identifying and not in the standard IEP accommodations list it is by definition outside the normal accommodations. But PP just like to be coy about what they were asking and throw unsupported complaints about KM.

IEPs are about much more than accommodations so you're wrong again. And even for an accommodation, there may be a specific accommodation that a student needed that was denied so it could be identifying.

You are mixing up so much and I dont have time or patience to explain it to you. You think just because you did a little research now you're an expert.

You have no idea what you're talking about but yet you want to lay blame on families when you have no idea what they have been through.

You are CLUELESS.

What exactly do you mean besides accommodations? Do you mean services like coaching? There’s all the same thing.

Oh boy. I love how you think you know it all - so much so that you are so very sure I did something wrong and not KM - when you know ZERO. ZILCH. NADA. Sit down. Have a seat. Listen to the people who have been through this instead of just dismissing them. You may learn something!