For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

I'm not blaming poor kids I am stating facts that many have problems with authority and self control in ways that are different than rich kids. Rich kids tend to smile and say yes sir while doing what ever they please where ghetto kids tend to think that all interactions can be won by posturing. these engagements play out very differently with power tripping authority figures. Also all Cops aren't bad just a higher percentage of the types who get stuck on school duty.

But my main point of the type of cop that would be great in a school shooter scenario (a hardened quasi-operator/swat type) is the going to be the least effect in acting as defacto school security officer handling day to day behavioral and low level drug issues. Also the least likely to accept such a boring position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

IMO, this is the problem with progressives - all talk, too much contemplation, and very little concrete, common sense actions. And when they do take action, it's too pollyanna, and ends up being a cluster f*. See SF DA recall.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/04/san-francisco-los-angeles-da-recalls/629701/

I absolutely do not want pro-Trump people in charge of schools, but I also don't want progressives in charge, either. Also, see what happened to the SF BOE members.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

Don't bother with these people, pp. They really don't care what teachers or administrators are saying they need. They aren't interested in listening and honestly, are marginally better than the people saying we should be the ones protecting students by arming ourselves. The problem with these folks is they prefer to live in fantasy land where real threats don't exist and we're all fabricating them.

-Teacher

I’m the PP. You are absolutely correct. Thank you.

As a teacher who knows how harmful SROs can be to students, I agree!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

IMO, this is the problem with progressives - all talk, too much contemplation, and very little concrete, common sense actions. And when they do take action, it's too pollyanna, and ends up being a cluster f*. See SF DA recall.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/04/san-francisco-los-angeles-da-recalls/629701/

I absolutely do not want pro-Trump people in charge of schools, but I also don't want progressives in charge, either. Also, see what happened to the SF BOE members.

That's what Trumpers always say.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

SROs call the police to take the kid ouf the school so that the SRO doesn't have to leave the school.

Okay. Anybody can do that.

[Anonymous]

I think we should put it to a secret ballot vote of the teachers. Secret ballot so no guilt or peer pressure about how they vote. I trust the teachers to assess the needs correctly. But they should have separate votes for ES, MS, and HS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

IMO, this is the problem with progressives - all talk, too much contemplation, and very little concrete, common sense actions. And when they do take action, it's too pollyanna, and ends up being a cluster f*. See SF DA recall.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/04/san-francisco-los-angeles-da-recalls/629701/

I absolutely do not want pro-Trump people in charge of schools, but I also don't want progressives in charge, either. Also, see what happened to the SF BOE members.

IMO, the last few years have shown me that the progressives are even WORSE than the pro-Trump people. Truly, their policies are just terrible when it comes to schools, education and our kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

SROs call the police to take the kid ouf the school so that the SRO doesn't have to leave the school.

Okay. Anybody can do that.

Sure, but I was addressing why SROs call the police.

Also, cops are better at managing a threat crisis than lay people are, including security guards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

IMO, this is the problem with progressives - all talk, too much contemplation, and very little concrete, common sense actions. And when they do take action, it's too pollyanna, and ends up being a cluster f*. See SF DA recall.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2022/04/san-francisco-los-angeles-da-recalls/629701/

I absolutely do not want pro-Trump people in charge of schools, but I also don't want progressives in charge, either. Also, see what happened to the SF BOE members.

That's what Trumpers always say.

? what do Trumpers always say?

Also, did you read the article? Are you aware that the uber progressive SF BOE members were voted out in SF? Do you think those voters are all Trumpsters?

GTFOH.

I'm a moderate, and loathe Trump with every fiber of my being.

You know what idiot progressives always say? "That's what Trumpers always say", even when the person posting is 100% anti-Trump. This is the progressive's only retort because they have nothing else to contribute or argue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

I agree with the PP who said the type cops that would help with a school shooting are not the type you would get working in schools. That leaves us with people using police powers on students which rarely leave the students in a better place. Stopping shooters is just about too late once they are armed. The only real solution is disarming them. If we can’t do that, public shooting is the price we will pay to have so many guns out there. Hammers going to hammer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

I agree with the PP who said the type cops that would help with a school shooting are not the type you would get working in schools. That leaves us with people using police powers on students which rarely leave the students in a better place. Stopping shooters is just about too late once they are armed. The only real solution is disarming them. If we can’t do that, public shooting is the price we will pay to have so many guns out there. Hammers going to hammer

SROs have to go through additional training and have additional oversight. Lazy cops aren’t going to pick that detail. I also don’t believe your average SRO goes into it to “use police powers on students.”

I’ve worked with four different SROs. Each was very invested in the school community, getting to know the students. They were true assets and helped contribute to positive police/community relationships. I never saw one abuse their authority. I posted last year that one of our SROs regularly came off-duty to student games and performances, just to show support. I was told by a poster on this board that the real reason was that he was there to spy and look for reasons to ruin kids’ lives. That’s the problem with this debate. Some posters just want to vilify police officers and they will always assume ill-intent, even when it isn’t warranted and isn’t backed up by anything other than hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

+1 status quo is not working. Violence has gone up. We need to do something. There is a new MOU with the police -- "Community Engagement Officer", which oeprates slightly differently than the previous SRO model. I think it's a good compromise.

Haven't you noticed the anti-security/police refuse to come up with another safety solution when asked. I want police/security at the school...

I agree with the PP who said the type cops that would help with a school shooting are not the type you would get working in schools. That leaves us with people using police powers on students which rarely leave the students in a better place. Stopping shooters is just about too late once they are armed. The only real solution is disarming them. If we can’t do that, public shooting is the price we will pay to have so many guns out there. Hammers going to hammer

SROs have to go through additional training and have additional oversight. Lazy cops aren’t going to pick that detail. I also don’t believe your average SRO goes into it to “use police powers on students.”

I’ve worked with four different SROs. Each was very invested in the school community, getting to know the students. They were true assets and helped contribute to positive police/community relationships. I never saw one abuse their authority. I posted last year that one of our SROs regularly came off-duty to student games and performances, just to show support. I was told by a poster on this board that the real reason was that he was there to spy and look for reasons to ruin kids’ lives. That’s the problem with this debate. Some posters just want to vilify police officers and they will always assume ill-intent, even when it isn’t warranted and isn’t backed up by anything other than hate.

40 hours of training.

Yes, that is what lazy cops do or ones they don’t trust on the street.

The problem is you want to generalize to all SROs the limited positive anecdotal interaction you had to a whole group of people.

I respect some police. I even respect some SROs but they are ill equipped to do the job at hand.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

SROs call the police to take the kid ouf the school so that the SRO doesn't have to leave the school.

Okay. Anybody can do that.

No anyone cannot. That is the problem.