For everyone insisting MCPS reinstate SROs

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

Don't bother with these people, pp. They really don't care what teachers or administrators are saying they need. They aren't interested in listening and honestly, are marginally better than the people saying we should be the ones protecting students by arming ourselves. The problem with these folks is they prefer to live in fantasy land where real threats don't exist and we're all fabricating them.

-Teacher

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

Don't bother with these people, pp. They really don't care what teachers or administrators are saying they need. They aren't interested in listening and honestly, are marginally better than the people saying we should be the ones protecting students by arming ourselves. The problem with these folks is they prefer to live in fantasy land where real threats don't exist and we're all fabricating them.

-Teacher

I’m the PP. You are absolutely correct. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do most of the Principals want them?

Principals want them because it is basically security staff that they don't have to pay for. They will never say no to a staff member funded by an outside agency.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

Same reason we don’t have doctors on site in case there is an injury, because it is not an effective use of resources.

Also, because SROs attract violence as explained in the video you did not watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

Same reason we don’t have doctors on site in case there is an injury, because it is not an effective use of resources.

Also, because SROs attract violence as explained in the video you did not watch.

Not comparable. We have nurses and health aides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

So we agree you are not educated on what makes schools safe, glad you can admit that.

Watch the video posted in the OP. That’s your 1st step to being more educated.

I am intimate aware of SRO trying, it’s not the right training.

This is where I stop replying. You are correct: as a teacher, I am NOT sufficiently trained in keeping students safe. You try to use that as an insult. I’ll use it as an illustration of the problem we are trying to solve. If teachers aren’t trained sufficiently, then we NEED somebody who is. That would be… the SRO.

I did watch the video. I posted above that it is remarkably biased and refuted by studies that have also been posted on DCUM.

Posters, including me, are waiting to hear a solid reason why SROs shouldn’t be part of a team: teachers, admin, counselors, social / emotional learning specialists, and SROs.

I have been all over this board reading studies and haven't seen one that refutes any of these objections. Please do share rather than just asserting they exist.

[Anonymous]

Why hasn't MCEA spoken up on this issue? Don't teachers have concerns about their own safety in schools? Or is MCEA (like MCPS, Elrich and the County Council) just waiting for someone to get killed in an MCPS school before it is "safe" to advocate for upgraded security, including putting SROs back inside school buildings?

Before the Magruder shooting, I guess I sort of understand MCEA's fear of falsely being accused of being "racist" by the anti-SRO/defund the police groups who twist things however they want. But after Magruder and now Ulvade, doesn't MCEA have a responsibility to advocate on behalf of teacher safety? (With COVID, they have never stopped talking about teacher and school safety and refused to return to in-person teaching for over a year). I also don't understand how individual teachers aren't speaking out when they see that their own union will not. I honestly don't understand.

[Anonymous]

fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

Social workers are not security guards. Nor should they be. No social worker will ever take that job if they are being a security guard.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

Social workers are not security guards. Nor should they be. No social worker will ever take that job if they are being a security guard.

+1 and teachers also shouldn't be the ones breaking up fights.

https://wtop.com/charles-county/2022/06/staff-member-at-charles-co-high-school-airlifted-to-hospital-after-student-fight/

Security guards can break up fights, but they aren't trained to handle a crisis like cops are, as we saw with the Macgruder shooting.

And sure, there are bad cops, as there are bad teachers. That doesn't mean we get rid of them all. This is the same line of reasoning that pro-gun people use: laws don't prevent bad guys from getting guns so why have more laws.

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Anonymous wrote:fast track to a bunch of poor kids getting charges when they act ignorantly (they will) in combustible situations when they try to emasculate the bottom feeder police officers who are stuck on school duty. There will be way more of that than any heroics during the almost non-existent mass shooting events. While the cops at richer schools will just get really good are what ever game they have on their phone at the time.

1- Cops stuck on school duty will almost always be idiots looking for a low stress units / stuck there to be out of a leaders hair / late career waifs riding out the clock.
2- Most cops don't have the ego to let kids be idiots esp the type of cop that a unit is so willing to release form critical roles inside the precinct
3- most cops aren't dirty harry and won't be either willing or effective in a mass shooting event.

For it to go completely right you would need a great cop in the right spot and the right time after wasting so many resources. The harm day to day couple to the cost make it seem like a bad idea to me.

Stop blaming poor kids...stop making it should like all cops are bad when there are bad people in every profession.

So, put your kids at rich schools .... problem solved for you.

What is your solution? Zero security... clearly not a good plan

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you don't want SRO's what is your solution to what is going on in the schools? I want my kids safe.

Yeah, I want my kids safe, too. This response illustrates the problem. It feels intolerable to do nothing and so we want to rush to do Something, even if that Something has been proven to be worse than doing nothing. There is not an easy answer to this and that is the horrible truth. I'm not advocating giving up but soothing our anxieties with knee jerk solutions is not the way forward.

SROs aren’t knee jerk solutions. I’ve worked with SROs since 2003. The county isn’t starting from scratch here; instead, there is a long-standing relationship between the county and MCPD that can be supported and refined.

I agree with you that there is no easy answer, but I firmly believe SROs remain part of the solution we are looking for. They come with training that supports the safe operation of a school. What they provide can’t be replicated by a teacher, a counselor, or an administrator. I wish our reality didn’t include crimes and violence within schools, but it’s there.

Unless they go to a 4 year college and a MSW they are I’ll equipped yo do the job they are asked to do.

They need yo sign non disclosure agreements and take away their arrest power.

Then they can stay.

They don’t need a college degree and a MSW to do the job they are assigned to do. I can tell I’m not the only poster on this thread who is tired and angry about violence and threats to schools. SROs are part of the solution since their purpose and training is directly about responding to threats. MSW can help by disrupting negative thoughts before they become actions, but if that doesn’t work we need SROs.

Yes they do.

Teachers have 4 year degrees, counselors have 4 year degrees, we need educated people dealing with children.

If they need to respond to a threat sit in the parking lot and respond to a threat.

SROs don’t stop threats they make threats more frequently and more dangerous.

We need MSWs and if that doesn’t work we need discipline and if that doesn’t work we need outside medical evaluation and if that doesn’t work we need private placement. We don’t need SROs.

“Educated people” can mean having the knowledge and skill set to work a particular job. I’m a teacher. I have advanced degrees related to my subject matter. I’m highly educated, but if you put me in a hospital I no longer have a relevant education. I’m also not educated in how to handle extreme threats. You say we need educated people around students. By that logic, we need SROs to fill in where my skill set stops.

SROs are educated in a way that is relevant to their job. Many (most) have college degrees, but ALL are educated with the knowledge and skills relevant to the tasks they perform.

You have no proof that SROs “make threats more frequently and more dangerous.”

We do agree that we need MSWs in schools. As other posters have said, they would be part of the team… teachers, counselors, admin, SROs.

What do you think a social worker will do? Call the police.

It’s in the video, watch the video and learn.

Actually anybody can call the police, not just MSW. You probably will be blown to find this out but when an SRO has a situation that needs police, they call … drum roll please, the police.

Lol you think they are Spider-Man or something. The procedure is call the police. They don’t really do anything more than a security guard.

SROs call the police to take the kid ouf the school so that the SRO doesn't have to leave the school.