Two week old will not breastfeed

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Anonymous wrote:I love all the “ experts” on here who think they know more than OP, a pediatrician, and a lactation consultant. Lots of armchair experts here.

Except the pediatrician isn't really in the loop and shes going to fire the lactation consultant for a new one. OP isnt just posting here for fun, yet doesn't seem open to any different advice either. My suggestion was reasonable idk why all these people are getting their panties in a wad over it.

My last advice to OP is since he likes MAM pacifiers is that MAM makes bottles and nipples too if you haven't tried that yet (didn't see it in the list).

OP said she is seeing her pediatrician next week for the two week appointment. He saw the baby on like day 3. Most babies have issues getting latched or perfecting a latch for the first 1-2 weeks. He’s gaining weight and eating enough. Most pediatricians won’t make extra appointments unless there was a weight concern or the baby wasn’t eating.

She took advice of many others. You telling her she is wrong and to feed every 3 hours doesn’t matter if every 2 hours is working for her.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

+1. My first struggled to latch for the first month. He did take a bottle, but I was told by countless lactation consultants, pediatrician, and an ENT to keep offering the breast in between bottle feeding to get him used to breastfeeding. We spent majority of his awake time after eating on the breast. The pediatrician pushed the idea of cluster feeding and comfort nursing at night. He successfully latched at 1 month. OP is doing exactly what’s she’s supposed to do to get him to eventually breastfeed.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

Will you just stop? OP knows her baby best and has made it clear she trust the advice of trained medical professionals over you. She doesn’t care what you think is right or what she should do.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

+1. My first struggled to latch for the first month. He did take a bottle, but I was told by countless lactation consultants, pediatrician, and an ENT to keep offering the breast in between bottle feeding to get him used to breastfeeding. We spent majority of his awake time after eating on the breast. The pediatrician pushed the idea of cluster feeding and comfort nursing at night. He successfully latched at 1 month. OP is doing exactly what’s she’s supposed to do to get him to eventually breastfeed.

ffs read. your baby *took a bottle.* this is about a baby struggling to latch onto anything.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

Will you just stop? OP knows her baby best and has made it clear she trust the advice of trained medical professionals over you. She doesn’t care what you think is right or what she should do.

OP posted for advice on an advice board because she is not getting answers from medical professionals. Sounds like you have some kind of agenda, but I’m not sure what it is …

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

+1. My first struggled to latch for the first month. He did take a bottle, but I was told by countless lactation consultants, pediatrician, and an ENT to keep offering the breast in between bottle feeding to get him used to breastfeeding. We spent majority of his awake time after eating on the breast. The pediatrician pushed the idea of cluster feeding and comfort nursing at night. He successfully latched at 1 month. OP is doing exactly what’s she’s supposed to do to get him to eventually breastfeed.

ffs read. your baby *took a bottle.* this is about a baby struggling to latch onto anything.

Not true. He will latch to her breast and he will also suck from the syringe. The issue is he can’t get enough milk because he can’t get a deep enough latch with OPs small flat nipples.

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Anonymous wrote:I would actually try to stretch feeding intervals out a bit longer. Sometimes when they eat 2 oz every 2 hrs it's more like a snack and they never really feel really hungry. I would try 2.5-3 hrs at a higher volume for the same total volume per day. That being said I've worked with probably over 1000 babies and I can't recall a newborn who refuses a bottle- usually it's the opposite problem- so I would definitely be pushing for some sort of evaluation. If you suspect tongue tie, you can probably make an appointment with a ENT or dentist yourself depending on your insurance plan.

Most newborns eat every two hours. They have small stomach and can only eats 2-3 ounces at a time.

the point of this advice is to get the baby motivated to take a full feed instead of eating pretty much constantly.

You don’t know babies at all. 2 ounces is a full feed for a two week old. Most babies don’t start taking 3-4oz per feed until 1+ months. 2 ounces every two hours is considered a full feed for a 2 week old.

+1. This. These so called “ baby experts” don’t know squat. 2 ounces is considered a full feed for a two week old. I work in healthcare ( L&D) and have several friends in the same industry. I have two kids myself. A newborns stomach is the size of their first. Two ounces is perfectly normal and not considered a snack at all.

If you work in L&D then you don't know anything about babies past 2 hours of life when they are transferred to PP. If you also work in PP then you don't know anything about babies past a few days of life when they go home. I worked in NICU for years and the standard feeding schedule there is every 3 hours. Now if a term baby is starving at 2 hours and it's not medically contraindicated then we could go ahead and feed them but I believe OP said she was waking the baby every 2 hours. To me it sounds like the baby isn't actually all that hungry...Anyway it was just a suggestion to try, OP doesn't have to marry it.

OP said the baby will eat every 1-2 hours and he will let them know when he is hungry. She said he usually eats 2oz every 2 hours and cries to let them know. It doesn’t make any difference for if OP feeds every 2 hours or every 3 hours if he is taking the same amount each day.

It absolutely could make a difference. The baby’s eating is very disorganized right now; with four different methods (breast, shield, syringe, and bottle), with the baby taking a long time to eat. Most babies do fine if they feed on demand and you follow their signals. But that is not what is happening here. More structure could help.

Their schedule seems fairly structured.

+1. OP posted a day to day on a previous page. They feed him two ounces every two hours at 6am, 8am, 10, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm, 10pm, 12am, 2am, and 4am. That is structured.

the unstructured part is all the other attempts to get the baby to nurse and take the bottle. as OP said, it’s basically constant. it sounds very strssful and disorganized for everyone. if the goal was syringe feeding then fine, but it’s not. bouncing between 4 things is not a plan.

You do know many bottle fed babies with latch issues are suggested to be on the breast as much as possible? OP said she often lets him feed on her first and he does lots of comfort nursing. Many newborns comfort nurse. There is nothing wrong with OP trying the bottle twice a day and putting the baby on the breast as often as possible so he can get a more secure and stronger latch. This is exactly what you do when you’re trying to get them to successfully breastfeed and take a bottle.

This is not about most babies. This is about OP and her baby, who are struggling and trying a million different things. A plan and some structure and simplification could help a lot. And of course ASAP a medical professional who will take the baby’s inability to latch seriously.

Will you just stop? OP knows her baby best and has made it clear she trust the advice of trained medical professionals over you. She doesn’t care what you think is right or what she should do.

OP posted for advice on an advice board because she is not getting answers from medical professionals. Sounds like you have some kind of agenda, but I’m not sure what it is …

You’re badgering her when she doesn’t care. She has said this many times.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to wait until he's hungry and have dad give him the bottle. Make it a high-flow nipple and just keep sticking it in his mouth. He'll take it. My DS spit out the pacifier repeatedly at 3 weeks but I was determined to make him take it, so I just held it in there. I don't mean you traumatize the baby, but you just keep on trying.

OP here. I will try to high flow. We have I think a newborn or slow flow nipple. We have 3 different brand bottles and he won’t take any of them. We have tried various milk temps, formula, and him being really hungry. He still refused and screamed. He is not a big fan of the syringe but he is used to it now. We feed every 1-2 hours because that’s when he wants to eat. He will take 1 ounce every hour or 2 ounces every two hours. We let him decide and he does turn his head and spit it out even he doesn’t want it. We don’t just feed him to feed him. We don’t go more than two hours between feedings but he always lets us know when he is hungry and he always wants to eat every 1-2 hours. The odd thing is he hates the nipple shield and won’t take a bottle but he will take a pacifier.

He's lazy and likes the syringe, it's easier for him!

What do you suggest she does? If she stops syringe feeding that means he gets no milk.

He will eventually take the bottle.

That is dangerous advice for a mother of a 2 week old who is not suckling. Not all babies will EVENTUALLY take a bottle

But the vast majority will. OP needs better support from a real doctor, not an LC. A newborn cannot eat from a syringe permanently - will not get enough food that way, and caregivers cannot keep it up. The bottle think is mostly psychological if it is not physiological, and the doctor needs to help figure it out.

And OP needs to show the baby some tough love and not use a syringe for at least a day. The baby is likely just lazy and prefers the syringe. It has no understanding that this method isn’t sustainable.

It’s not even safe to have a baby who won’t take the breast or a bottle. What if something happens to OP? Who is going to dedicate a year of their life to syringe feeding a baby? Eventually it would require 24-7 feeding since a syringe holds so little liquid.

This is truly a safety thing and OP needs to drop the syringe and continue to offer bottles. After 8 hours or so, she needs to hand the baby over to dad and leave the house if the baby still won’t take a bottle.

OP here. He’s my child, not yours. I’m been very open and receptive to all advice on here so far. I’ve order everything people have mentioned to try. I’m going to see a new lactation consultant and will be pushing hard to get him evaluated when we see the pediatrician next week. I will not starve my baby. He is only two weeks old and needs calories and nutrition. We are still trying all the methods, but I will not force him to go without food to try to get him to take a bottle. He would take my breasts if he could. Same with the bottle. I’m not going to stop feeding him. He will eventually get this.

OP, please ignore this silly person. My baby never took a bottle. Obviously, it would have been a difficult situation if anything had happened to me, but (a) nothing happened to me, as is true for most American mothers and (b) if something had happened to me, his father and grandparents would have figured out how to get him fed. Please don't spend one minute worrying about PP's catastrophizing.

OP’s baby won’t nurse OR take a bottle. Totally different problem.

How dumb are you? In order for the baby to get better at nursing, you need to let baby nurse and be on the breast often. The baby will likely never end up breastfeeding if she doesn’t continue to latch him. Also, OP said he does nurse and does get some milk out. He had a hard time because of her flat nipples.

I see. Your goal is breastfeeding at all costs so you think it is actually good that the baby rejects the bottle. Well OP you can decide what works for you. What you’re doing right now sounds pretty insanely miserable to me and unsustainable.

OP is trying to give him a bottle too. She said she ordered more bottles to try and a SNS.

Yeah that’s what OP says. I’m trying to figure out why PP is triggered by the posters suggesting more structured attempts to offer only the bottle to increase chances baby will take it. I have concluded that PP is a breastfeeding fanatic who things the goal is breastfeeding at all costs.