Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

Let’s see if we can recap. People have repeatedly posted that they have nearly been run over by bicycles as pedestrians and the response from cyclists has ranged from “I don’t believe you” to “so what”.

However, your story of almost being run over means that the whole world needs to change to accommodate you?

It’s impressive how self-centered you cyclists are.

[Anonymous]

She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

Let’s see if we can recap. People have repeatedly posted that they have nearly been run over by bicycles as pedestrians and the response from cyclists has ranged from “I don’t believe you” to “so what”.

However, your story of almost being run over means that the whole world needs to change to accommodate you?

It’s impressive how self-centered you cyclists are.

From a DP (2/23 @23:16(?)) - page 7 on this thread:

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-st...n-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

It doesn’t help when you call people names and also ignore the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

Let’s see if we can recap. People have repeatedly posted that they have nearly been run over by bicycles as pedestrians and the response from cyclists has ranged from “I don’t believe you” to “so what”.

However, your story of almost being run over means that the whole world needs to change to accommodate you?

It’s impressive how self-centered you cyclists are.

From a DP (2/23 @23:16(?)) - page 7 on this thread:

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-st...n-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

It doesn’t help when you call people names and also ignore the data.

I'm sure the "washcycle blog" is super neutral on the bikes v.s. pedestrians situation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

Let’s see if we can recap. People have repeatedly posted that they have nearly been run over by bicycles as pedestrians and the response from cyclists has ranged from “I don’t believe you” to “so what”.

However, your story of almost being run over means that the whole world needs to change to accommodate you?

It’s impressive how self-centered you cyclists are.

From a DP (2/23 @23:16(?)) - page 7 on this thread:

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-st...n-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

It doesn’t help when you call people names and also ignore the data.

I'm sure the "washcycle blog" is super neutral on the bikes v.s. pedestrians situation

They’re sharing statistics without any additional commentary. Do you have numbers to counter this data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

Ok, then I am going to take the lane as I legally can, and come to a full stop on my bike. Have fun behind me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

Ok, then I am going to take the lane as I legally can, and come to a full stop on my bike. Have fun behind me.

Sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

The only practical effect of this law would be that cops would no longer be able to ticket cyclists who approach an intersection, check and see that it is free of opposing traffic, and proceed without coming to a complete stop. That's it.

I would argue that police powers should be limited to what is necessary, and that there is no need to ticket cyclists in that situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

Ok, then I am going to take the lane as I legally can, and come to a full stop on my bike. Have fun behind me.

It’s a great irony that this cyclist is threatening to obey the law if it doesn’t change. You realize you are admitting to what everyone is saying, cyclists compliance with traffics safety laws in DC is basically zero right now. We would all welcome you to obey the law. Please!

[Anonymous]

For clarity - at a 4 way stop where each side has a stop sign, who has the right of way with this type of legislation? Still the first stopped vehicle or bike or always the moving bike, even if they arrive at the intersection after the car has stopped and then proceeded to drive? This seems very confusing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For clarity - at a 4 way stop where each side has a stop sign, who has the right of way with this type of legislation? Still the first stopped vehicle or bike or always the moving bike, even if they arrive at the intersection after the car has stopped and then proceeded to drive? This seems very confusing

If there is another vehicle already at the intersection that vehicle has the right of way. Basically it doesn't change the right of way, just says that a cyclist doesn't have to stop at the stop sign when it is his turn

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For clarity - at a 4 way stop where each side has a stop sign, who has the right of way with this type of legislation? Still the first stopped vehicle or bike or always the moving bike, even if they arrive at the intersection after the car has stopped and then proceeded to drive? This seems very confusing

If there is another vehicle already at the intersection that vehicle has the right of way. Basically it doesn't change the right of way, just says that a cyclist doesn't have to stop at the stop sign when it is his turn

Correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

Ok, then I am going to take the lane as I legally can, and come to a full stop on my bike. Have fun behind me.

It’s a great irony that this cyclist is threatening to obey the law if it doesn’t change. You realize you are admitting to what everyone is saying, cyclists compliance with traffics safety laws in DC is basically zero right now. We would all welcome you to obey the law. Please!

When drivers start coming to a complete stop at every stop sign, then sure.