Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She should come to Belgium. Dozens of cyclists die every single year in gruesome accidents because they assume that the motorists making right turns can see them and maintain their momentum, as is their legal right. These deaths are agonizingly preventable but people on bikes simply will not yield even to save their own lives.

This law would not make it legal for people on bikes to not yield. Again, what does it say that the people who oppose this measure feel they need to misrepresent what it does to make their point?

Although you do get kudos for saying "people on bikes" instead of just "bikes."

There is no compelling reason to change the law.

Ok, then I am going to take the lane as I legally can, and come to a full stop on my bike. Have fun behind me.

It’s a great irony that this cyclist is threatening to obey the law if it doesn’t change. You realize you are admitting to what everyone is saying, cyclists compliance with traffics safety laws in DC is basically zero right now. We would all welcome you to obey the law. Please!

When drivers start coming to a complete stop at every stop sign, then sure.

When I come to a complete stop and drive the speed limit in a CAR drivers behind me get pissed off. Sure sure that most drivers actually want cyclists to obey all the laws

And obligatory mention to stand at any intersection in DC with a four way stop and count how many make a complete stop behind the line. Very very few

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

Let’s see if we can recap. People have repeatedly posted that they have nearly been run over by bicycles as pedestrians and the response from cyclists has ranged from “I don’t believe you” to “so what”.

However, your story of almost being run over means that the whole world needs to change to accommodate you?

It’s impressive how self-centered you cyclists are.

From a DP (2/23 @23:16(?)) - page 7 on this thread:

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-st...n-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

It doesn’t help when you call people names and also ignore the data.

I'm sure the "washcycle blog" is super neutral on the bikes v.s. pedestrians situation

The truth has a well-known pro-cycling bias.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She says it's important for bicyclists to be able to "maintain momentum."

Uh, what?

If you're too lazy to stop at stop signs, whether you're in a car or on a bike, maybe you shouldnt be on the road.

This being D.C., she is pairing this "safety" proposal with other plans to make it harder to drive a car.

This is what being captured by special interests (i.e., the bike lobby) looks like.

https://twitter.com/marycheh/status/1496223827524820995

Another butthurt driver. Won't someone think of the drivers?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She says it's important for bicyclists to be able to "maintain momentum."

Uh, what?

If you're too lazy to stop at stop signs, whether you're in a car or on a bike, maybe you shouldnt be on the road.

This being D.C., she is pairing this "safety" proposal with other plans to make it harder to drive a car.

This is what being captured by special interests (i.e., the bike lobby) looks like.

https://twitter.com/marycheh/status/1496223827524820995

Another butthurt driver. Won't someone think of the drivers?

Here’s a tip, if you think it’s a serious then this type of behavior undermines that message.

[Anonymous]

So bikers are a special interest but walkers and drivers aren't?

Do you all understand how much driving cars, gas, space for the roads and parking etc are subsidized?

[Anonymous]

The most disobedient cyclists are the homeless. They most exclusively ride on the sidewalk because they're too stupid to ride in the street. They have nearly run me over many times.

[Anonymous]

This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

Why are you picking an example of a two way stop sign where the road seems incredibly more open than any dc streets I bike on. Between DC traffic and 4 way stop signs everywhere, this is such a silly comparison

[Anonymous]

This is the dumbest idea of all time. Just what you need to anticipate, some moronic bicyclist blowing through a red light to go straight while you have a green arrow to turn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

Biker is an absolute moron.

[Anonymous]

I do not like losing momentum when I drive my car. All the stop and go at stop signs real kills my gas mileage, increase wear and is bad for the environment.

When will Cheh pass a law so I do not have to stop?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So bikers are a special interest but walkers and drivers aren't?

Do you all understand how much driving cars, gas, space for the roads and parking etc are subsidized?

Gas is taxed to pay for roads. Bikers are using roads they do not pay for.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

Why are you picking an example of a two way stop sign where the road seems incredibly more open than any dc streets I bike on. Between DC traffic and 4 way stop signs everywhere, this is such a silly comparison

If anything, the wider sight lines would make this type of intersection more condusive to Idaho stops while as you point out, the narrower sight lines in DC make DC less optimal environment. And yet the video is what it is. Cyclist has a stop sign, doesn’t stop, gets hit by a car and blamed the car.

Changing the law would incentivize the cyclist in this video to say they legally yielded and it would make it difficult to dispute without video evidence and even with video evidence it would be difficult to dispute because yielding is subjective.

This is a black-or-white situation that the Idaho stop legal change would introduce the possibility for sufficient grey area to claim the driver is at fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

Both were wrong.
Cyclist was totally wrong to blast right through a stop sign (that's not an "Idaho Stop" - cyclist is supposed to slow down, look and yield to traffic). And the red car was going far too fast for being in a residential area.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will be the future of every intersection in DC if this passes. Cyclists further emboldened to engage in dangerous behavior and believing that it’s legal and everyone else’s fault when they inevitably get hit by a car.

If you couple this proposed legal change with the change in liability, the cyclist in this video could sue you claiming contributory negligence and would win. Everyone car in DC is going to need to get a dashcam now if this passes to legally protect themselves from cyclists like this.

Both were wrong.
Cyclist was totally wrong to blast right through a stop sign (that's not an "Idaho Stop" - cyclist is supposed to slow down, look and yield to traffic). And the red car was going far too fast for being in a residential area.

See! This is the problem with Idaho stops. Cyclist runs stop sign and the outcome is that people are arguing whether or not the car was equally to blame for “going to fast” regardless whether the are going the posted speed limit or not.

We cannot allow the law to create this kind of uncertainty.