My New Favorite Anger at APS: XXL WL

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
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900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
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Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

Ohhhh, yeah Big Law Firms librarians are just like public school librarians... doubling down on showing you clueless. At least you make lots of money for corp interests so you'll be able to bail out your kids when their lackluster high school education scuttles their college and career outcomes. Not all of us have money to just not worry if our kids are shortchanged in the education department.

Just a taste. You just can't let high schools have access to raw internet and say: "GO" There's curration, training, it allocation, training of teachers, it goes on and on.

FYI, they don't have card catalogs anymore either.

https://www.ascd.org/el/articles/the-school-librarian-your-ultimate-digital-resource

We probably need to add MORE librarians if anything. https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1096706.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
450 1
900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
2500 4
3000 4


Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

You don’t know it because your paralegals are the ones doing the research, but those online libraries have full-time librarians/research assistants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
450 1
900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
2500 4
3000 4


Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

This is a TERRIBLE analogy. You are an adult. We are talking about kids who don't have a fully developed frontal lobe. Kids are still developing their interests and a good library is an awesome place to learn about themselves and to be able to touch and feel and open a book rather than scroll through their phones. Libraries and librarians were a great resource to my kids (both good readers, in large part, because of the selections made by school librarians).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
450 1
900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
2500 4
3000 4


Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

This is a TERRIBLE analogy. You are an adult. We are talking about kids who don't have a fully developed frontal lobe. Kids are still developing their interests and a good library is an awesome place to learn about themselves and to be able to touch and feel and open a book rather than scroll through their phones. Libraries and librarians were a great resource to my kids (both good readers, in large part, because of the selections made by school librarians).

NP. Curious if you have current HS students because you really sound clueless about how HS students use, or don't use, school libraries. No one is arguing that school librarians and libraries aren't wonderful. No one. But when budgets are limited, so many schools are overcrowded, so many kids have learning loss and social and emotional needs due to APS's asinine decision to have school online for more than a year and not teach anything new to any student for almost an entire semester - well, there are just much bigger issues to get upset about than whether WL has 2 or 3 librarians in the next couple years. Tell your precious snowflake to walk one block from WL to the Central Library when he or she attends WL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
450 1
900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
2500 4
3000 4


Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

This is a TERRIBLE analogy. You are an adult. We are talking about kids who don't have a fully developed frontal lobe. Kids are still developing their interests and a good library is an awesome place to learn about themselves and to be able to touch and feel and open a book rather than scroll through their phones. Libraries and librarians were a great resource to my kids (both good readers, in large part, because of the selections made by school librarians).

NP. Curious if you have current HS students because you really sound clueless about how HS students use, or don't use, school libraries. No one is arguing that school librarians and libraries aren't wonderful. No one. But when budgets are limited, so many schools are overcrowded, so many kids have learning loss and social and emotional needs due to APS's asinine decision to have school online for more than a year and not teach anything new to any student for almost an entire semester - well, there are just much bigger issues to get upset about than whether WL has 2 or 3 librarians in the next couple years. Tell your precious snowflake to walk one block from WL to the Central Library when he or she attends WL.

So you didn’t read any of the replies. It’s not just about librarians. It’s about field space and club size. Staffing is just part of the ostrich planning for “Big Foot monster truck announcer voice” XXXXL WL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here you go:
https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/FY-2022-Adopted-Planning-Factors_final.pdf

So they will have fewer Assistant Principals per student body, despite the fact that such a large crowded school will likely have more discipline needs.

Students AP
450 1
900 2
1350 3
1500 3.5
2000 4
2500 4
3000 4


Only 2 librarians for 3000 students, versus HB which gets 1 librarian per 700. Only 1 gifted teacher.

Thanks this clarifies a lot of how they are failing to plan for this large school.

If you are going to complain, at least complain about something worthwhile. I love librarians but I'd bet anything that the average HS student has about 10 minutes of interaction with their school librarian a year, if that. And a lot of WL students walk one block and use the Central Library instead of the school library since it has such better resources and space. I am surprised there is even one gifted teacher at WL. With all the differentiation in class levels (intensified, AP, DE, IB), there really is not much need for a gifted teacher. I say that as a parent of a recent WL graduate who was designated as gifted in a couple subjects. Perhaps the future assistant principal situation will be an issue but I am not the type to dwell on problems that do not yet exist. I get the sense that you just want to be miserable.

That you think that is the extent of a librarians job speaks volumes to your lack of understanding of why short staffing multiple positions at what will be the largest school is something we should plan for rather than wait for “problems” to exist. But your kids are out of the system, so you really don’t care I suppose.

I work at a big law firm that 10 years ago had a library that took up probably 20% of the firm’s office space and employed 2 librarians FT and an assistant. Today almost everything is online, our library is smaller than the women’s bathroom and unfortunately the people in charge let the librarians go. They new library space in the Ed Center will be all digital. Have you seen the existing library at WL? Have you seen how close by the Central
Library is to WL? Like it or not (and I don’t) libraries are changing and with that is the need and role for librarians. And not sure why you assume “my kids are out of the system” just bc I have a HS graduate. They’re not. I’m just choosing what to get upset at APS about and the number of gifted teachers and librarians at WL in another couple years is not at the top of my list.

This is a TERRIBLE analogy. You are an adult. We are talking about kids who don't have a fully developed frontal lobe. Kids are still developing their interests and a good library is an awesome place to learn about themselves and to be able to touch and feel and open a book rather than scroll through their phones. Libraries and librarians were a great resource to my kids (both good readers, in large part, because of the selections made by school librarians).

NP. Curious if you have current HS students because you really sound clueless about how HS students use, or don't use, school libraries. No one is arguing that school librarians and libraries aren't wonderful. No one. But when budgets are limited, so many schools are overcrowded, so many kids have learning loss and social and emotional needs due to APS's asinine decision to have school online for more than a year and not teach anything new to any student for almost an entire semester - well, there are just much bigger issues to get upset about than whether WL has 2 or 3 librarians in the next couple years. Tell your precious snowflake to walk one block from WL to the Central Library when he or she attends WL.

So you didn’t read any of the replies. It’s not just about librarians. It’s about field space and club size. Staffing is just part of the ostrich planning for “Big Foot monster truck announcer voice” XXXXL WL

Yes, I did read the replies. I chose to respond to the poster whining about librarians. Field space may be an issue but then again, Quincy Park and Oak Grove Park are literally across the street from WL in opposite directions so your snowflake may have to cross the street for soccer or marching band practice. I know my kids will survive that walk but you sound like the kind of parent who will have to hold their hand as they cross the street. According to posters up thread, club size and sports teams, etc. are not real issues. Of course a 2200 student HS is preferable to a 3000 student HS, just as when the new WL was built, a 1600 student HS was preferable to a now 2200 student HS. But there won't be a 4th HS and if you can't move, can't afford Catholic or private HS, can't send your kid to Arlington Tech, etc. then you've got two options: wallow in your self-pity and ensure that your kid has a terrible HS experience or you can make the best of it so that your kid is better equipped when s/he arrives at WL. I'm choosing the second option for my kids.

[Anonymous]

I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

This seems to be the common preference. Which is why WL is getting bigger. Parents pitch a fit about being zoned away from WL to either of the other schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

This seems to be the common preference. Which is why WL is getting bigger. Parents pitch a fit about being zoned away from WL to either of the other schools.

Right and if parents zoned WL don’t like the large size, they can always transfer to Yorktown or Wakefield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

There are limited opportunities to transfer into Wakefield via the AP Network program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

This seems to be the common preference. Which is why WL is getting bigger. Parents pitch a fit about being zoned away from WL to either of the other schools.

Right and if parents zoned WL don’t like the large size, they can always transfer to Yorktown or Wakefield

No, that's not true. There are limited transfer seats at Wakefield for the AP Network program; but there is no program transfer route to Yorktown. As long as those schools are above capacity, there will be no open transfers available.

[Anonymous]

Then move to the Wakefield zone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Then move to the Wakefield zone.

Yeah moving is so easy and cheap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

This seems to be the common preference. Which is why WL is getting bigger. Parents pitch a fit about being zoned away from WL to either of the other schools.

Right and if parents zoned WL don’t like the large size, they can always transfer to Yorktown or Wakefield

No, that's not true. There are limited transfer seats at Wakefield for the AP Network program; but there is no program transfer route to Yorktown. As long as those schools are above capacity, there will be no open transfers available.

Aren’t they moving a ton of kids to the Ed center which will make other schools under capacity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I always thought WL was preferable to Yorktown. I'd still prefer my kid goes to WL, even if WL is going to be bigger. WL has a significantly higher minority population and you don't hear as much about drug problems. I have always liked the WL buildings and think the school has a nice vibe. My kid is serious about sports and doesn't really want to leave her friends, so HB and Tech would not be a good fit. Maybe Wakefield would also work; I don't hear much about drugs there, either. (But we are zoned close to border between Yorktown and WL, so Wakefield isn't an option.)

This seems to be the common preference. Which is why WL is getting bigger. Parents pitch a fit about being zoned away from WL to either of the other schools.

Right and if parents zoned WL don’t like the large size, they can always transfer to Yorktown or Wakefield

No, that's not true. There are limited transfer seats at Wakefield for the AP Network program; but there is no program transfer route to Yorktown. As long as those schools are above capacity, there will be no open transfers available.

Aren’t they moving a ton of kids to the Ed center which will make other schools under capacity

It isn't going to leave the other schools significantly under capacity. Any capacity, if any excess, will be quickly filled in a few years with all the new residential developments.