Advice - Moving to Bethesda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was a Discovery Player at BSC, though we decided not join.
Red flags:
- KL was fired from Good Counsel previously for being verbally abusive to the girls
- The parents defend the coaches at all cost (as seen on this thread). They will say things like “All the girls bond together and support each other when he yells at them. It’s like a little support group”. Nope. Sorry. Don’t need my DD to be part of a support group.
- The girls themselves are brainwashed into thinking they deserve these tyrants’ anger. They will say things like “He should yell at us. We deserved it because we made a mistake. We should stop making him mad.”

On the plus side, these are the most technically advanced, driven players DC-MD-VA. And they get results. The team we stayed with is not as advanced, but DD is happy. Gets tons of playing time. Is developing on and off the field and has the freedom to be creative, make mistakes, and grow as a player. We are happy we left. It wasn’t a good fit and was a very dark period in our lives. I don’t wish this on any kid or family and I do feel sorry for those we left behind.

Getting back on topic…..

The word on the street is that KL was not given a renewal at GC or Rush. Hence ending up at a very desperate BSC looking to add a coach to shake things up. I guess he’s shaken things up pretty well so far. LOL.

Lol this is not "getting back on topic". OP asked about finding a club in Bethesda. Crazy girl soccer parents hijack every Bethesda (city) thread to love or hate bsc and whoever KL or DG are.

Starting to agree that girl's need their own subforum.

[Girls not girl's]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was a Discovery Player at BSC, though we decided not join.
Red flags:
- KL was fired from Good Counsel previously for being verbally abusive to the girls
- The parents defend the coaches at all cost (as seen on this thread). They will say things like “All the girls bond together and support each other when he yells at them. It’s like a little support group”. Nope. Sorry. Don’t need my DD to be part of a support group.
- The girls themselves are brainwashed into thinking they deserve these tyrants’ anger. They will say things like “He should yell at us. We deserved it because we made a mistake. We should stop making him mad.”

On the plus side, these are the most technically advanced, driven players DC-MD-VA. And they get results. The team we stayed with is not as advanced, but DD is happy. Gets tons of playing time. Is developing on and off the field and has the freedom to be creative, make mistakes, and grow as a player. We are happy we left. It wasn’t a good fit and was a very dark period in our lives. I don’t wish this on any kid or family and I do feel sorry for those we left behind.

Getting back on topic…..

The word on the street is that KL was not given a renewal at GC or Rush. Hence ending up at a very desperate BSC looking to add a coach to shake things up. I guess he’s shaken things up pretty well so far. LOL.

If KL was so bad why did his entire rush team follow him over to BSC

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was a Discovery Player at BSC, though we decided not join.
Red flags:
- KL was fired from Good Counsel previously for being verbally abusive to the girls
- The parents defend the coaches at all cost (as seen on this thread). They will say things like “All the girls bond together and support each other when he yells at them. It’s like a little support group”. Nope. Sorry. Don’t need my DD to be part of a support group.
- The girls themselves are brainwashed into thinking they deserve these tyrants’ anger. They will say things like “He should yell at us. We deserved it because we made a mistake. We should stop making him mad.”

On the plus side, these are the most technically advanced, driven players DC-MD-VA. And they get results. The team we stayed with is not as advanced, but DD is happy. Gets tons of playing time. Is developing on and off the field and has the freedom to be creative, make mistakes, and grow as a player. We are happy we left. It wasn’t a good fit and was a very dark period in our lives. I don’t wish this on any kid or family and I do feel sorry for those we left behind.

Getting back on topic…..

The word on the street is that KL was not given a renewal at GC or Rush. Hence ending up at a very desperate BSC looking to add a coach to shake things up. I guess he’s shaken things up pretty well so far. LOL.

If KL was so bad why did his entire rush team follow him over to BSC

KL wasn’t abusive at MRM as he wasn’t allowed to, while BSC allowed it. Hence, the MRM girls had no idea how truly abusive KL was until they were at BSC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was a Discovery Player at BSC, though we decided not join.
Red flags:
- KL was fired from Good Counsel previously for being verbally abusive to the girls
- The parents defend the coaches at all cost (as seen on this thread). They will say things like “All the girls bond together and support each other when he yells at them. It’s like a little support group”. Nope. Sorry. Don’t need my DD to be part of a support group.
- The girls themselves are brainwashed into thinking they deserve these tyrants’ anger. They will say things like “He should yell at us. We deserved it because we made a mistake. We should stop making him mad.”

On the plus side, these are the most technically advanced, driven players DC-MD-VA. And they get results. The team we stayed with is not as advanced, but DD is happy. Gets tons of playing time. Is developing on and off the field and has the freedom to be creative, make mistakes, and grow as a player. We are happy we left. It wasn’t a good fit and was a very dark period in our lives. I don’t wish this on any kid or family and I do feel sorry for those we left behind.

Getting back on topic…..

The word on the street is that KL was not given a renewal at GC or Rush. Hence ending up at a very desperate BSC looking to add a coach to shake things up. I guess he’s shaken things up pretty well so far. LOL.

If KL was so bad why did his entire rush team follow him over to BSC

KL wasn’t abusive at MRM as he wasn’t allowed to, while BSC allowed it. Hence, the MRM girls had no idea how truly abusive KL was until they were at BSC.

Hahahaha. Oh boy lol. He was the same at Rush as he is now. Cmon. Don’t be naive.

He had full reign at Rush- that team wa a basically it’s own entity within that club. There was no oversight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DD was a Discovery Player at BSC, though we decided not join.
Red flags:
- KL was fired from Good Counsel previously for being verbally abusive to the girls
- The parents defend the coaches at all cost (as seen on this thread). They will say things like “All the girls bond together and support each other when he yells at them. It’s like a little support group”. Nope. Sorry. Don’t need my DD to be part of a support group.
- The girls themselves are brainwashed into thinking they deserve these tyrants’ anger. They will say things like “He should yell at us. We deserved it because we made a mistake. We should stop making him mad.”

On the plus side, these are the most technically advanced, driven players DC-MD-VA. And they get results. The team we stayed with is not as advanced, but DD is happy. Gets tons of playing time. Is developing on and off the field and has the freedom to be creative, make mistakes, and grow as a player. We are happy we left. It wasn’t a good fit and was a very dark period in our lives. I don’t wish this on any kid or family and I do feel sorry for those we left behind.

Getting back on topic…..

The word on the street is that KL was not given a renewal at GC or Rush. Hence ending up at a very desperate BSC looking to add a coach to shake things up. I guess he’s shaken things up pretty well so far. LOL.

If KL was so bad why did his entire rush team follow him over to BSC

KL wasn’t abusive at MRM as he wasn’t allowed to, while BSC allowed it. Hence, the MRM girls had no idea how truly abusive KL was until they were at BSC.

Hahahaha. Oh boy lol. He was the same at Rush as he is now. Cmon. Don’t be naive.

He had full reign at Rush- that team wa a basically it’s own entity within that club. There was no oversight.

Whoever is posting those accusations are completely making it up. He actually might have worse when at Rush. The other poster (or the same), said he was fired. Pretty funny if he decided to fire himself if that poster knew what his position was at Rush, LOL.

Just goes to show what some of these cowards opinions and posts are actually worth.

[Anonymous]

I was wondering why some parents were willing to have KL, etc. being abusive towards their kids. I just realized that these girls are such spoiled and entitled rich kids that their parents wants them to have a wake up call by supporting abusive coaches.

[Anonymous]

Correct. He wasn’t “fired” from Rush but when he advised the team and parents at end of winter of his plans to go to bethesda he was told to go then and there, and not be a part of the team for the spring season.

He’s no dummy. He knew those girls would want to be ECNL after that point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why some parents were willing to have KL, etc. being abusive towards their kids. I just realized that these girls are such spoiled and entitled rich kids that their parents wants them to have a wake up call by supporting abusive coaches.

Jealousy is a b$)(h.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why some parents were willing to have KL, etc. being abusive towards their kids. I just realized that these girls are such spoiled and entitled rich kids that their parents wants them to have a wake up call by supporting abusive coaches.

Jealousy is a b$)(h.

If we were jealous, we would have hired Hannibal Lecter as our team coach. LOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why some parents were willing to have KL, etc. being abusive towards their kids. I just realized that these girls are such spoiled and entitled rich kids that their parents wants them to have a wake up call by supporting abusive coaches.

Calls coach abusive and then proceeds to insult 12 year old girls and parents. Oh, the irony, lol.

[Anonymous]

I’ve had some bad work situations in my time, and encountered a few a-holes in other contexts along the way, but I can’t say I’ve ever been subject to repeated cursing, screaming, or verbal abuse on the job or elsewhere. The only people who have ever really subjected me to any of that were a couple of boyfriends I never should have dated in the first place who didn’t appreciate being broken up with. For those of you who think this treatment is going to toughen kids up and prepare them for the “real world” I’d be curious to hear specially how you think it’s going to be to their benefit. I feel that if you overcome all the ordinary setbacks most people face in life (not-perfect home-life and/or not making or getting cut from teams or activities, feeling overwhelmed with academics, occasional heartbreak from the dissolution of friendships or romantic relationships, death of family, friends, pets, not getting into the school or getting the job you want, etc) you will have the resilience and wisdom to face more of the same or abuse that might be dealt out by some belligerent yeller.

I have no personal experience with KL, and have no clue if all the claims about him are true. We were at BSC a few years ago and generally had a good experience. I have been pondering these questions because my kid’s college coach is very much of the yell, curse, stomp type—generally engages in verbal abuse and belittles kids in personal ways when he’s frustrated by the team’s performance. He doesn’t make racist or homophobic comments, and my kid and most of the team players/parents seem to agree that he behaves this way because he genuinely believes it motivates the players—sort of a drill-sergeant approach with an edge of lunacy. Seems mostly detrimental to me, and the lessons I want my kid to take away is that some coaches are stuck in the past when it comes to leadership techniques, and the players should learn from this how not to behave when in a position of responsibility. I also work with my kid on not internalizing the insults and mockery. I wish they were all learning more positive lessons from what should be a mostly enjoyable experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was wondering why some parents were willing to have KL, etc. being abusive towards their kids. I just realized that these girls are such spoiled and entitled rich kids that their parents wants them to have a wake up call by supporting abusive coaches.

This post is awesome. Can you imagine how fun it would be to see who this person is...? How did you end up here. It's too entertaining to look away!

[Anonymous]

Results don't care about your feelings. In fact, after looking at everything, I'm going to go ahead and start another s- storm of a thread.

Bethesda
4/6 projected to make ECNL playoffs.
2009 - Likely ECNL Playoffs (KL era)
2008 - Chance at ECNL Playoffs (KL era)
2007 - Likely ECNL Playoffs, added players, may even have a good chance at National Finals (KL Era)
2006 - Likely ECNL Playoffs (KL Era)
2005 - Unlikely (KL Era)
03/04 - Unlikely (Pre KL Era)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Results don't care about your feelings. In fact, after looking at everything, I'm going to go ahead and start another s- storm of a thread.

Bethesda
4/6 projected to make ECNL playoffs.
2009 - Likely ECNL Playoffs (KL era)
2008 - Chance at ECNL Playoffs (KL era)
2007 - Likely ECNL Playoffs, added players, may even have a good chance at National Finals (KL Era)
2006 - Likely ECNL Playoffs (KL Era)
2005 - Unlikely (KL Era)
03/04 - Unlikely (Pre KL Era)

Yes we know you don't care how they win, just as long as they win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve had some bad work situations in my time, and encountered a few a-holes in other contexts along the way, but I can’t say I’ve ever been subject to repeated cursing, screaming, or verbal abuse on the job or elsewhere. The only people who have ever really subjected me to any of that were a couple of boyfriends I never should have dated in the first place who didn’t appreciate being broken up with. For those of you who think this treatment is going to toughen kids up and prepare them for the “real world” I’d be curious to hear specially how you think it’s going to be to their benefit. I feel that if you overcome all the ordinary setbacks most people face in life (not-perfect home-life and/or not making or getting cut from teams or activities, feeling overwhelmed with academics, occasional heartbreak from the dissolution of friendships or romantic relationships, death of family, friends, pets, not getting into the school or getting the job you want, etc) you will have the resilience and wisdom to face more of the same or abuse that might be dealt out by some belligerent yeller.

I have no personal experience with KL, and have no clue if all the claims about him are true. We were at BSC a few years ago and generally had a good experience. I have been pondering these questions because my kid’s college coach is very much of the yell, curse, stomp type—generally engages in verbal abuse and belittles kids in personal ways when he’s frustrated by the team’s performance. He doesn’t make racist or homophobic comments, and my kid and most of the team players/parents seem to agree that he behaves this way because he genuinely believes it motivates the players—sort of a drill-sergeant approach with an edge of lunacy. Seems mostly detrimental to me, and the lessons I want my kid to take away is that some coaches are stuck in the past when it comes to leadership techniques, and the players should learn from this how not to behave when in a position of responsibility. I also work with my kid on not internalizing the insults and mockery. I wish they were all learning more positive lessons from what should be a mostly enjoyable experience.

Let's be clear about something. KL does not repeatedly curse at any of his teams. Nothing wrong with intensity and yelling/directing/letting players know what and when mistakes are being made. Belittling, insulting, etc, is a completely different story. Yes, KL does cross that line, but again, to be clear, it is few and far between and usually directed at a certain player rather than the team.

I agree with you about leadership but I disagree about direction. Many times young adults and children need discipline but there are many ways to get a point across other than insulting or belittling. That is an easy line to see but for some coaches, it can also be an easy line to cross. IMO, KL is not nearly on the same level I have seen from many coaches in our area including other ECNL, GA, EDP, and CCL teams.

I think what this thread shows is a clear and present dislike towards Bethesda as a Club and some families who have had bad experiences with Kevin. As has been said many times before here, nobody is forced to stay and from our experience, players that have left have not had any issues doing so verse other Clubs that will go to extreme lengths to make it miserable to transfer. Also, if you notice, I have not thrown stones at other clubs or coaches once, despite being well informed about MANY issues in our DMV.

That is all.