Gaza War, Part 3

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Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

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Anonymous wrote:Per ABC evening news today, Biden shipped 2000 lb bombs few days ago to Israel. That’s it! Biden seems to think he will get more Jewish votes by continuing to supply weapons to Israel then the number of Muslim votes he will lose. Well, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and I am fed up with Biden’s policy on Israel. Come November, I will not vote for him. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020. The only way I can register my opposition to Biden’s tone deaf policy of facilitating innocent killing of Palestinians is by not voting for him.

Which Democrat would you support?

You don't seem to understand. Voters don't need to pick another horse. They can stay home and not vote. That's my plan. If that helps Trump get elected, so be it.

So you’d rather see Gaza obliterated and Jared building his fancy homes there? Some Einstein-level thinking there.

Ethically, I can not vote for a president who is aiding a genocide, so I'll stay home

Ok, stay home and watch Trump win. Watch Trump and his son in law Jared take control and let the IDF wipe Gaza.
Do you care about the people in Gaza at all?
If you cared one bit about Gaza, you wouldn’t let Jared take control. You only care about yourself.
The goal isn’t to vote for the perfect leader. They are both bad and flawed. The goal is to pick the less evil.

Biden, Trump and even Kennedy are reflexively pro-Israel. Sitting out this election/writing someone in is really your only option for protesting what Israel is doing. Now one might want to ask why the only people you can vote for are pro-Israel.

It's not accomplishing anything though. You're not going to find a pro-Hamas POTUS next time around because you sat this one out. You're basically just hurting your own interests at home since Trump and Biden are so different on US issues...

Trying to equating opposing man made famine to being pro hamas is getting old fast.

It might be hard for you to grasp, but these are the two parties in this war. You're pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. Nobody likes starving civilians.

It may be hard for you to grasp, but total war to eliminate terrorists is a step too far for most people. Civilized countries do not create famines as a means of war

Pro-Hamas or pro-Israel are still the choices. Hamas is absolutely contributing to famine in Gaza and encouraging it.

I am nuanced pro-Israel. Hamas is primarily to blame - and they could have stopped it from happening in the first place, they could end it today, and they could have mitigated the harm.

But I think especially with the WCK killing, it's become clear that Israel cannot in good conscience continue to prosecute this way, they way they are. Israel is right to defend itself, and to eliminate Hamas, but at some point too many other people are dying for this cause. I think many people - even those who are pro-Israel - would say that point was a long time ago. For me, the WCK deaths have really driven home that this just doesn't make sense.

This has increasingly felt like Netanyahu's desperate gambit to hold onto power. Instead, it seems like in addition to killing too many people, it's also destroying Israel. It feels like this has crossed a line - both a moral line, and a public opinion/political line - that is going to be very hard to come back from.

Well, I think that a non-profit organization cannot in good conscience send its workers into an active war zone and then complain when they are inadvertently killed. Going directly into the line of fire has its logical consequences.

Also, I don’t believe for a second that those “innocent” volunteers don’t know where any of the hostages are. They are aiding and abetting terrorists.

Let’s stop pretending that World Central Kitchen is innocent here.

STFU. It wasn't indavertent and WCK is not Hamas. Those 7 people that were hunted down and executed for the crime of trying to prevent a famine are heroes of humanity and your craven defamation of them is despicable.

Heroes of humanity? They’re crazy leftist nuts who went into a war zone not because they care about starving Palestinians, but because they hate the West, capitalism and Jews, too. Some of us, the smarter ones, can see through them and their organization.

lol yes giving food to Palestinians is an act of hatred toward Jews. Uh-huh. Why feed them when you can just let them starve and have Israel move in and claim the land, right?

Their are already cabinet members trying to decide how to partition Gaza

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Anonymous wrote:"Through lies and targeted assassinations, Israel has effectively shut down the three major aid organizations keeping Palestinians alive in Rafah: UNRWA, ANERA, & World Central Kitchen" (Susan Abulhawa).

The obstacles to Gazan survival have been removed. How convenient. Let the planning for those "very valuable waterfront properties" begin.

I still think it's so strange how sometimes Gaza is an uninhabitable open air prison, and sometimes it's a valuable beach resort that is ripe for outsiders' development.

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Anonymous wrote:Per ABC evening news today, Biden shipped 2000 lb bombs few days ago to Israel. That’s it! Biden seems to think he will get more Jewish votes by continuing to supply weapons to Israel then the number of Muslim votes he will lose. Well, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and I am fed up with Biden’s policy on Israel. Come November, I will not vote for him. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020. The only way I can register my opposition to Biden’s tone deaf policy of facilitating innocent killing of Palestinians is by not voting for him.

Which Democrat would you support?

You don't seem to understand. Voters don't need to pick another horse. They can stay home and not vote. That's my plan. If that helps Trump get elected, so be it.

So you’d rather see Gaza obliterated and Jared building his fancy homes there? Some Einstein-level thinking there.

Ethically, I can not vote for a president who is aiding a genocide, so I'll stay home

Ok, stay home and watch Trump win. Watch Trump and his son in law Jared take control and let the IDF wipe Gaza.
Do you care about the people in Gaza at all?
If you cared one bit about Gaza, you wouldn’t let Jared take control. You only care about yourself.
The goal isn’t to vote for the perfect leader. They are both bad and flawed. The goal is to pick the less evil.

Biden, Trump and even Kennedy are reflexively pro-Israel. Sitting out this election/writing someone in is really your only option for protesting what Israel is doing. Now one might want to ask why the only people you can vote for are pro-Israel.

It's not accomplishing anything though. You're not going to find a pro-Hamas POTUS next time around because you sat this one out. You're basically just hurting your own interests at home since Trump and Biden are so different on US issues...

Trying to equating opposing man made famine to being pro hamas is getting old fast.

It might be hard for you to grasp, but these are the two parties in this war. You're pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. Nobody likes starving civilians.

It may be hard for you to grasp, but total war to eliminate terrorists is a step too far for most people. Civilized countries do not create famines as a means of war

Pro-Hamas or pro-Israel are still the choices. Hamas is absolutely contributing to famine in Gaza and encouraging it.

I am nuanced pro-Israel. Hamas is primarily to blame - and they could have stopped it from happening in the first place, they could end it today, and they could have mitigated the harm.

But I think especially with the WCK killing, it's become clear that Israel cannot in good conscience continue to prosecute this way, they way they are. Israel is right to defend itself, and to eliminate Hamas, but at some point too many other people are dying for this cause. I think many people - even those who are pro-Israel - would say that point was a long time ago. For me, the WCK deaths have really driven home that this just doesn't make sense.

This has increasingly felt like Netanyahu's desperate gambit to hold onto power. Instead, it seems like in addition to killing too many people, it's also destroying Israel. It feels like this has crossed a line - both a moral line, and a public opinion/political line - that is going to be very hard to come back from.

Well, I think that a non-profit organization cannot in good conscience send its workers into an active war zone and then complain when they are inadvertently killed. Going directly into the line of fire has its logical consequences.

Also, I don’t believe for a second that those “innocent” volunteers don’t know where any of the hostages are. They are aiding and abetting terrorists.

Let’s stop pretending that World Central Kitchen is innocent here.

STFU. It wasn't indavertent and WCK is not Hamas. Those 7 people that were hunted down and executed for the crime of trying to prevent a famine are heroes of humanity and your craven defamation of them is despicable.

Heroes of humanity? They’re crazy leftist nuts who went into a war zone not because they care about starving Palestinians, but because they hate the West, capitalism and Jews, too. Some of us, the smarter ones, can see through them and their organization.

lol yes giving food to Palestinians is an act of hatred toward Jews. Uh-huh. Why feed them when you can just let them starve and have Israel move in and claim the land, right?

Their are already cabinet members trying to decide how to partition Gaza

Dual citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:Per ABC evening news today, Biden shipped 2000 lb bombs few days ago to Israel. That’s it! Biden seems to think he will get more Jewish votes by continuing to supply weapons to Israel then the number of Muslim votes he will lose. Well, I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and I am fed up with Biden’s policy on Israel. Come November, I will not vote for him. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Joe Biden in 2020. The only way I can register my opposition to Biden’s tone deaf policy of facilitating innocent killing of Palestinians is by not voting for him.

Which Democrat would you support?

You don't seem to understand. Voters don't need to pick another horse. They can stay home and not vote. That's my plan. If that helps Trump get elected, so be it.

So you’d rather see Gaza obliterated and Jared building his fancy homes there? Some Einstein-level thinking there.

Ethically, I can not vote for a president who is aiding a genocide, so I'll stay home

Ok, stay home and watch Trump win. Watch Trump and his son in law Jared take control and let the IDF wipe Gaza.
Do you care about the people in Gaza at all?
If you cared one bit about Gaza, you wouldn’t let Jared take control. You only care about yourself.
The goal isn’t to vote for the perfect leader. They are both bad and flawed. The goal is to pick the less evil.

Biden, Trump and even Kennedy are reflexively pro-Israel. Sitting out this election/writing someone in is really your only option for protesting what Israel is doing. Now one might want to ask why the only people you can vote for are pro-Israel.

It's not accomplishing anything though. You're not going to find a pro-Hamas POTUS next time around because you sat this one out. You're basically just hurting your own interests at home since Trump and Biden are so different on US issues...

Trying to equating opposing man made famine to being pro hamas is getting old fast.

It might be hard for you to grasp, but these are the two parties in this war. You're pro-Israel or pro-Hamas. Nobody likes starving civilians.

It may be hard for you to grasp, but total war to eliminate terrorists is a step too far for most people. Civilized countries do not create famines as a means of war

Pro-Hamas or pro-Israel are still the choices. Hamas is absolutely contributing to famine in Gaza and encouraging it.

I am nuanced pro-Israel. Hamas is primarily to blame - and they could have stopped it from happening in the first place, they could end it today, and they could have mitigated the harm.

But I think especially with the WCK killing, it's become clear that Israel cannot in good conscience continue to prosecute this way, they way they are. Israel is right to defend itself, and to eliminate Hamas, but at some point too many other people are dying for this cause. I think many people - even those who are pro-Israel - would say that point was a long time ago. For me, the WCK deaths have really driven home that this just doesn't make sense.

This has increasingly felt like Netanyahu's desperate gambit to hold onto power. Instead, it seems like in addition to killing too many people, it's also destroying Israel. It feels like this has crossed a line - both a moral line, and a public opinion/political line - that is going to be very hard to come back from.

Well, I think that a non-profit organization cannot in good conscience send its workers into an active war zone and then complain when they are inadvertently killed. Going directly into the line of fire has its logical consequences.

Also, I don’t believe for a second that those “innocent” volunteers don’t know where any of the hostages are. They are aiding and abetting terrorists.

Let’s stop pretending that World Central Kitchen is innocent here.

STFU. It wasn't indavertent and WCK is not Hamas. Those 7 people that were hunted down and executed for the crime of trying to prevent a famine are heroes of humanity and your craven defamation of them is despicable.

Heroes of humanity? They’re crazy leftist nuts who went into a war zone not because they care about starving Palestinians, but because they hate the West, capitalism and Jews, too. Some of us, the smarter ones, can see through them and their organization.

lol yes giving food to Palestinians is an act of hatred toward Jews. Uh-huh. Why feed them when you can just let them starve and have Israel move in and claim the land, right?

Their are already cabinet members trying to decide how to partition Gaza

Dual citizenship.

Israeli cabinet members 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

Why didn't Israel agree to the cease fire? If Israel had done that, then the WCK workers would be alive today.
What I don't understand is why Israel continues to violate international rules of war by killing thousands of children and targeting aid workers. Why are Israelis so willing to sacrificing thousands innocent babies and starve them to death? Israel has proven itself to be has morally corrupt as Hamas.

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Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

Why do IDF soldiers murder American teenagers in the West Bank with nothing to do with Hamas?

Evil doesn’t need an excuse, whether Hamas or Israeli evil.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

Unclear still why Israelis support starving people to death. It's a choice Israel makes in how it chooses to conduct this war.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we just drop the spin that anyone is "pro Hamas", at least to the extent that they are supporters of terrorism. It's a cheap attempt to shut down debate.

Debate needs to be shut down with terrorists. And there are absolutely pro-Hamas posters here spouting blood libel antisemitic propaganda, using Zionist as a slur, saying Jews need to go back to Russia...In a room of pro-Israel adults we can criticize Israel all day long if you want.

You don't have authority to label criticisms of Israel as anything. You can STFU for all I care, or continue your Zionist lies and propaganda. You're in the Zionism echo chamber anyway. But make no mistake that you're not an authority on anything other than the fact that you, and people like you, are incapable of having realistic conversations regarding the malignancy of a movement (Zionism) that is no longer (and never really was) about establishing a Jewish homeland with statis borders and the intention of coexisting with its neighbors.

When people like me criticize Zionism today, it's not an appeal to dismantle Israel. It's an appeal to contain the modern Zionist ambitions of subjugating everyone around Israel using faux victimhood as a cudgel, and to LITERALLY steal land in violation of international law.

As for Jews "need(ing) to go back to Russia" - that's literally never been said in these 2,800 pages. People have said that Israel is (and always has been) led by people who either immigrated to the Middle East from Russia and the former Soviet empire, or who are children of such immigrants. That's a goddamned fact. It's not anti-semitism. It's not a slur. Now, can you explain why it is that all of the Jews in Israel who are supposedly indigenous to the region have never - not once - served as PM or President or really any role of consequence in the Israeli government. I'm not expecting an answer - because you don't have one.

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Anonymous wrote:"Through lies and targeted assassinations, Israel has effectively shut down the three major aid organizations keeping Palestinians alive in Rafah: UNRWA, ANERA, & World Central Kitchen" (Susan Abulhawa).

The obstacles to Gazan survival have been removed. How convenient. Let the planning for those "very valuable waterfront properties" begin.

I still think it's so strange how sometimes Gaza is an uninhabitable open air prison, and sometimes it's a valuable beach resort that is ripe for outsiders' development.

Why is it strange? Currently, it's an open-air prison blockaded by Israel, where 2.3 million people were living in difficult conditions even before the war. The plan to transform it into a beach resort is to kill off all the Palestinians (or "Amalekites"), bulldoze their homes, "cleanse" the area of their presence, and build anew for "the right people" atop their bodies. That's what Israel does and has done from the start.

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Anonymous wrote:"Through lies and targeted assassinations, Israel has effectively shut down the three major aid organizations keeping Palestinians alive in Rafah: UNRWA, ANERA, & World Central Kitchen" (Susan Abulhawa).

The obstacles to Gazan survival have been removed. How convenient. Let the planning for those "very valuable waterfront properties" begin.

I still think it's so strange how sometimes Gaza is an uninhabitable open air prison, and sometimes it's a valuable beach resort that is ripe for outsiders' development.

Really? Confusing? Let's see - imagine a Four Seasons Resort. Pretty nice, right?

Now imagine that Four Seasons resort fenced in, with no more than a trickle of life-sustaining supplies airdropped in, and the entire fenced-in resort has been overrun by serial killers. Not so nice anymore, right? Same place. Different circumstances.

Sincerely, how did you guys ever sell anyone on being better than everyone else? The first "chosen people" utterance should have been laughed outta the room.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

Why do IDF soldiers murder American teenagers in the West Bank with nothing to do with Hamas?

Evil doesn’t need an excuse, whether Hamas or Israeli evil.

Not sure what that has to do with Hamas hiding like cowards in Gaza.

[Anonymous]

Everyone knew all along that Hamas is despicable and unworthy of admiration. But only a segment of the U.S. knew all along that unconditional supporters of Israel truly are amoral scumbags and no more admirable.

This Gaza war has succeeded in forcing Israel to take off its mask, to reveal its hideous countenance for all to see, and for its unconditional supporters to begin facing the consequences of their racist, hypocritical worldview.

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Anonymous wrote:If you starve children, leave hundreds of thousands of women homeless, kill foreign aid workers, and generally try to portray yourself as a victim while engaging in a genocidal killing spree, the world will hate you and deservedly so. At this point, Israel is irredeemable. The Jews won’t be able to look to the next generations to fund their war machine and land grabs like the aging, clueless boomers.

One ISIS hit here in the USA (or even little knife and acid attacks) and everyone denouncing Israel will support them;

We had 9/11. Even in the bloodiest battles in Iraq and Afghanistan, we never deliberately starved civilians to death.

What I don't understand is Hamas terrorists could surrender, release hostages and end the suffering of their people. Why don't they do that?

Why do IDF soldiers murder American teenagers in the West Bank with nothing to do with Hamas?

Evil doesn’t need an excuse, whether Hamas or Israeli evil.

Not sure what that has to do with Hamas hiding like cowards in Gaza.

No sure what that has to do with the IDF killing more aid workers in 6 months than have been killed in all global conflicts in the past two decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Through lies and targeted assassinations, Israel has effectively shut down the three major aid organizations keeping Palestinians alive in Rafah: UNRWA, ANERA, & World Central Kitchen" (Susan Abulhawa).

The obstacles to Gazan survival have been removed. How convenient. Let the planning for those "very valuable waterfront properties" begin.

I still think it's so strange how sometimes Gaza is an uninhabitable open air prison, and sometimes it's a valuable beach resort that is ripe for outsiders' development.

Really? Confusing? Let's see - imagine a Four Seasons Resort. Pretty nice, right?

Now imagine that Four Seasons resort fenced in, with no more than a trickle of life-sustaining supplies airdropped in, and the entire fenced-in resort has been overrun by serial killers. Not so nice anymore, right? Same place. Different circumstances.

Sincerely, how did you guys ever sell anyone on being better than everyone else? The first "chosen people" utterance should have been laughed outta the room.

Except the people living there could have done whatever the f they wanted there. It's so valuable? Why didnt they invest in it and make it profitable.

Easier to keep your people in misery and blame Israel I guess.