Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

I think the NYC privates actually don’t allow anyone young to enroll…I believe the average age of K students is 6, with many several turning 7 during the year.

New York has 17 as an age of consent + Romeo & Juliet laws. So as long as your 19 year old senior isn't sleeping with a 15 year old, they're basically fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

I think the NYC privates actually don’t allow anyone young to enroll…I believe the average age of K students is 6, with many several turning 7 during the year.

So are the majority of their high school seniors 19 at graduation? Hello statutory rape !

I don't think the majority...but some. BTW, how is it statutory rape? The age of consent in NY is 17...in MD it is 16. There is also nothing special if you are 19 vs. 18 if these laws are in effect.

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I don’t want my 15 year old daughter to even be in the position of possibly being groomed by an 19 year old ADULT in her high school. 12th graders should be 17 going on 18 . 18 max at graduation!

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Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

And kids who are in the correct grade, but are a year younger than students who have been redshirted are fine too, but it still pisses off their parents that there are older kids in the class. Everyone will be fine no matter what, but parents want more than “fine.” They want what’s best for their own kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

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White upper middle class parents of summer born boys: I am entitled to orchestrate public education so that my already privileged son will have an even greater advantage in standardised tests, leadership opportunities and advanced placement by ensuring that they are 13-14 older than the youngest on time classmates. Also I will gaslight everyone who voices there legitimate objections to the disadvantage their child now faces due to their actions because white middle class boys just deserve all those privileges as standard.

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

It's an insane thread. There is no doubt in my mind that Avra Siegel is here, she's responsible for many of the more insane comments, and she is absolutely loving the discussion. It's feeding her.

We all need to stop feeding her, for her own sake.

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

It's an insane thread. There is no doubt in my mind that Avra Siegel is here, she's responsible for many of the more insane comments, and she is absolutely loving the discussion. It's feeding her.

We all need to stop feeding her, for her own sake.

Everyone on here comes across as incredibly insecure. Losing their minds at the hint of someone else having a perceived “advantage” - be confident in yourself and your own family and take a chill pill.

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1 lol

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

It's an insane thread. There is no doubt in my mind that Avra Siegel is here, she's responsible for many of the more insane comments, and she is absolutely loving the discussion. It's feeding her.

We all need to stop feeding her, for her own sake.

Everyone on here comes across as incredibly insecure. Losing their minds at the hint of someone else having a perceived “advantage” - be confident in yourself and your own family and take a chill pill.

+1. Your child will be hurt more by your own insanity than anything else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

And kids who are in the correct grade, but are a year younger than students who have been redshirted are fine too, but it still pisses off their parents that there are older kids in the class. Everyone will be fine no matter what, but parents want more than “fine.” They want what’s best for their own kids.

Eh, I'm not anti-redshirting in general but this story annoys me because some rich parents worked out a different rule for themselves. I'd be fine if DCPS had some kind of flexible rule to allow redshirting of late summer and August birthdays, I don't really care.

What bothers me here is that DCPS had a rule that most people were following and then a small group of wealthy families were somehow exempt from, and when DCPS decided to start cracking down on it, the wealthy families ran to the press as though they'd been targeted for unfair discrimination. Uh, no. DCPS doesn't like redshirting and these folks were getting away with redshirting.

I just don't like it when rich folks make up their own rules. If the current rule is too strict they should change it, but I'm never going to feel sorry for some rich family from upper NW just because they've been told to follow the same rule that everyone else was following all along. If they don't like it, they can just keep sending their kid to private. I don't get why they expect a special exemption here, it's so cringe.

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Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

It's an insane thread. There is no doubt in my mind that Avra Siegel is here, she's responsible for many of the more insane comments, and she is absolutely loving the discussion. It's feeding her.

We all need to stop feeding her, for her own sake.

Everyone on here comes across as incredibly insecure. Losing their minds at the hint of someone else having a perceived “advantage” - be confident in yourself and your own family and take a chill pill.

Some of us are not bothered by the perceived "advantage" of redshirting, we're just exasperated by these families who are mad about having to follow the same rules as everyone else. It sounds like if a family at a Title 1 school in SE tried to do what these Lafayette families have been doing, it would not have been allowed. That seems wrong. I think that's the main reason people hate the Lafayette families.

If this were just more broadly about redshirting I think you'd see a lot more sympathy, but this is really about whether or not this little group of families at this one school (that happens to be very rich and white compared to the rest of the city) should have to follow the same rules as everyone else. The answer is yes, obviously. Even if the rule sucks. Lots of rules suck.

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I'm late to this thread but saw a news story about this recently. We moved from out of state last summer and the state we moved from has a different cutoff date than DCPS's. We enrolled our child in the grade that they would have been in the previous state since this child has only been in daycare until we moved. But based on DCPS's age policy, this child would have been in first grade. We don't really agree with the redshirting across the board since with the previous school district with a different child, it was very prominent and my oldest child with an end of year birthday was actually one of the youngest in their class with a late summer cutoff. Lots of the redshirting parents boasted how their child was "ahead" in the next grade. It was exhausting as a parent with a kid who's kid attended on time. I get case by case but it became the norm. Probably not as bad here with the free preK3-4 options here. Anyways is there any kind of policy for kids who come in from out of state? I looked online and didn't see anything.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just when I thought this thread couldn’t get any more insane.

+1

This thread is completely bonkers

It's an insane thread. There is no doubt in my mind that Avra Siegel is here, she's responsible for many of the more insane comments, and she is absolutely loving the discussion. It's feeding her.

We all need to stop feeding her, for her own sake.

Everyone on here comes across as incredibly insecure. Losing their minds at the hint of someone else having a perceived “advantage” - be confident in yourself and your own family and take a chill pill.

Some of us are not bothered by the perceived "advantage" of redshirting, we're just exasperated by these families who are mad about having to follow the same rules as everyone else. It sounds like if a family at a Title 1 school in SE tried to do what these Lafayette families have been doing, it would not have been allowed. That seems wrong. I think that's the main reason people hate the Lafayette families.

If this were just more broadly about redshirting I think you'd see a lot more sympathy, but this is really about whether or not this little group of families at this one school (that happens to be very rich and white compared to the rest of the city) should have to follow the same rules as everyone else. The answer is yes, obviously. Even if the rule sucks. Lots of rules suck.

y'all sound completely unhinged. i dont give a shit about redshirting. maybe it will help kids who are very immature or painfully shy or whatever. but the idea that it's going to make your kid smarter and more athletic and more charming and more artistic and they'll be taller and more good looking and all their jokes will be funnier. do you not know how crazy you sound?