Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

Emotional maturity is something that can be considered, at principal's discretion, for PK and K retention. Sounds like your principal just didn't think your case merited it. From the policy:

"Note: If a student in pre-K or kindergarten has met the proficiency requirements in the core subject areas but
is not deemed ready for promotion to kindergarten or 1st grade by a teacher or a parent due to functional
skill level in the areas of physical, social, or emotional development, an option to repeat pre-K or
kindergarten may be considered without being designated as a retention."

Because the principal is going to know so much about the kid! Cripes. People really, really *really* don’t want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt.

I would hope that the principal, in consultation with teachers and other school support staff, would know quite a lot about the appropriate educational placement for a student who has been enrolled at their school all year.

It's DCPS's long-standing policy that doesn't give parents the benefit of the doubt, not "people."

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

Emotional maturity is something that can be considered, at principal's discretion, for PK and K retention. Sounds like your principal just didn't think your case merited it. From the policy:

"Note: If a student in pre-K or kindergarten has met the proficiency requirements in the core subject areas but
is not deemed ready for promotion to kindergarten or 1st grade by a teacher or a parent due to functional
skill level in the areas of physical, social, or emotional development, an option to repeat pre-K or
kindergarten may be considered without being designated as a retention."

Outside of these small number of schools in upper northwest, the only way "emotional immaturity" will be used to justify redshirting is if a kid has serious family dysfunction or special needs.

That's the whole problem. Different standards were being used across the city. Principals at a few wealthy schools in one part of town were broadly allowing redshirting just because a parent felt it was merited. And in the rest of the city, this wasn't being allowed. Does that seem right? Nope.

What happened to these parents at Lafayette is what has happened to other parents throughout the city for years who have sought to redshirt summer birthdays. Barring special needs, it just has not been allowed. The problem with the Lafayette parents is that they perceive themselves as being discriminated against somehow, when the opposite is the case -- other families have been dealing with this crappy application of the rule for years, and now the Lafayette parents are too. There was discrimination, but it was to their benefit for a long time and now it's "equal."

If the Lafayette parents could pull their heads out of their butts for long enough to understand this, perhaps they could make a more compelling argument than "but we've had this great deal no one else had for years and we're mad we don't have it any more." Like maybe: wow now that we are being forced to follow the district rules we really understand how unfair they are and how hard they are on kids with August and September birthdays who may just not be ready for K. Let's all band together to change this rule for everyone.

Instead they are just looking to extend the exemption for their kids, because they only care about their kids and not about anyone else's kids.

Well guess what, I guess that means I don't care about their kids either. Suck it up, buttercups.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

Emotional maturity is something that can be considered, at principal's discretion, for PK and K retention. Sounds like your principal just didn't think your case merited it. From the policy:

"Note: If a student in pre-K or kindergarten has met the proficiency requirements in the core subject areas but
is not deemed ready for promotion to kindergarten or 1st grade by a teacher or a parent due to functional
skill level in the areas of physical, social, or emotional development, an option to repeat pre-K or
kindergarten may be considered without being designated as a retention."

Outside of these small number of schools in upper northwest, the only way "emotional immaturity" will be used to justify redshirting is if a kid has serious family dysfunction or special needs.

That's the whole problem. Different standards were being used across the city. Principals at a few wealthy schools in one part of town were broadly allowing redshirting just because a parent felt it was merited. And in the rest of the city, this wasn't being allowed. Does that seem right? Nope.

What happened to these parents at Lafayette is what has happened to other parents throughout the city for years who have sought to redshirt summer birthdays. Barring special needs, it just has not been allowed. The problem with the Lafayette parents is that they perceive themselves as being discriminated against somehow, when the opposite is the case -- other families have been dealing with this crappy application of the rule for years, and now the Lafayette parents are too. There was discrimination, but it was to their benefit for a long time and now it's "equal."

If the Lafayette parents could pull their heads out of their butts for long enough to understand this, perhaps they could make a more compelling argument than "but we've had this great deal no one else had for years and we're mad we don't have it any more." Like maybe: wow now that we are being forced to follow the district rules we really understand how unfair they are and how hard they are on kids with August and September birthdays who may just not be ready for K. Let's all band together to change this rule for everyone.

Instead they are just looking to extend the exemption for their kids, because they only care about their kids and not about anyone else's kids.

Well guess what, I guess that means I don't care about their kids either. Suck it up, buttercups.

Who cares about the Lafayette parents. If there’s an “unfair” advantage given to upper NW that’s also available in MD, privates and most other states, then give it to the rest of the city too.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

How can this woman do public relations as a living when she’s consciously painting her kids in this light to the press? Anyone decent in the field would 1) know those hyperbolic (and easily disproven) quotes would backfire epically 2) think about the long-term impact degrading your children to the media could have on your family. I’d be sending a termination notice if I saw my spokesperson / strategist out there saying these things. If this is how she goes about it for her own family, I wouldn’t trust how she’d do it for me as a client.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

How can this woman do public relations as a living when she’s consciously painting her kids in this light to the press? Anyone decent in the field would 1) know those hyperbolic (and easily disproven) quotes would backfire epically 2) think about the long-term impact degrading your children to the media could have on your family. I’d be sending a termination notice if I saw my spokesperson / strategist out there saying these things. If this is how she goes about it for her own family, I wouldn’t trust how she’d do it for me as a client.

You wouldn’t trust someone in advocacy…advocating for what they believe in?

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

How can this woman do public relations as a living when she’s consciously painting her kids in this light to the press? Anyone decent in the field would 1) know those hyperbolic (and easily disproven) quotes would backfire epically 2) think about the long-term impact degrading your children to the media could have on your family. I’d be sending a termination notice if I saw my spokesperson / strategist out there saying these things. If this is how she goes about it for her own family, I wouldn’t trust how she’d do it for me as a client.

You wouldn’t trust someone in advocacy…advocating for what they believe in?

DP but those comments are poor advocacy because it makes it sound like she actually is negligent regarding her child's education. Or that she's lying. A 6 year old who doesn't even know his ABCs would put him behind most 5 year olds at Lafayette, who learn ABCs and many if not most letter sounds in PK. If it's true, he either has a serious learning disability (in which case DCPS would be accommodating if only to avoid a lawsuit) or she has intentionally deprived her son of basic pre-literacy skills. Or she's just lying/exaggerating to try and get what she wants. Any way you look at it, she looks bad, and is using her son as a pawn to push her own agenda. It's disturbing.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

How can this woman do public relations as a living when she’s consciously painting her kids in this light to the press? Anyone decent in the field would 1) know those hyperbolic (and easily disproven) quotes would backfire epically 2) think about the long-term impact degrading your children to the media could have on your family. I’d be sending a termination notice if I saw my spokesperson / strategist out there saying these things. If this is how she goes about it for her own family, I wouldn’t trust how she’d do it for me as a client.

You wouldn’t trust someone in advocacy…advocating for what they believe in?

NP and their advocacy involves either lying or sharing what would be considered negative information about her child. It’s easy to disprove whether this six year old knows their ABCs (which is most likely a lie), and they can forever see that their mom said they will have low esteem forever. That is awful to say as a parent and terrible PR.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

These kids will be fine. Except for the fact that their parents are very unlikeable and have said insane things to the press like "my 6 year old doesn't know his ABCs" or "being the youngest in class will give my kid low self-esteem forever."

Those are WILD. I can't imagine thinking those would help your case.

How can this woman do public relations as a living when she’s consciously painting her kids in this light to the press? Anyone decent in the field would 1) know those hyperbolic (and easily disproven) quotes would backfire epically 2) think about the long-term impact degrading your children to the media could have on your family. I’d be sending a termination notice if I saw my spokesperson / strategist out there saying these things. If this is how she goes about it for her own family, I wouldn’t trust how she’d do it for me as a client.

You wouldn’t trust someone in advocacy…advocating for what they believe in?

NP and their advocacy involves either lying or sharing what would be considered negative information about her child. It’s easy to disprove whether this six year old knows their ABCs (which is most likely a lie), and they can forever see that their mom said they will have low esteem forever. That is awful to say as a parent and terrible PR.

If their UMC 6 year old with 3 years of PK didn't know their ABCs, they would have an Early Stages eval and DCPS would not be picking this fight. Guaranteed. Note that Lafayette Mom said she assumed she could do this because she did it for her older child and this child was young. That's it. Young. Not extremely extremely doesn't know their ABCs at 6 delayed.

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A 6 year old who doesn't know their ABCs should have been in kindergarten for the last year where they would have learned those exact skills!

I can't believe we are still talking about this craziness

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

I think the NYC privates actually don’t allow anyone young to enroll…I believe the average age of K students is 6, with many several turning 7 during the year.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

I think the NYC privates actually don’t allow anyone young to enroll…I believe the average age of K students is 6, with many several turning 7 during the year.

So are the majority of their high school seniors 19 at graduation? Hello statutory rape !

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

NY has Romeo & Juliet laws.
So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.

The # of K kids turning 7 is not zero at some well-known private schools where boys with May and June bdays are redshirted.

I think the NYC privates actually don’t allow anyone young to enroll…I believe the average age of K students is 6, with many several turning 7 during the year.

So are the majority of their high school seniors 19 at graduation? Hello statutory rape !