Woman charged with felony for having a stillbirth

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

🚨 THE WORD BLOCKED IS NOT PRESENT IN THE NYT ARTICLE. EL STINKO DELUXO POSTED A LIE.

Quit lying, liar.

THE ETHICS COMMITTEE DID NOT BLOCK DOCTORS FROM TREATING THIS WOMAN.

LIARS WHO LIE ARE JUST LYING.

Do you think you’re convincing anyone?

🚨I DON’T NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE BECAUSE I CAN READ AND LIVE IN REALITY WHILE YOU AND YOUR BRETHREN ARE RIDING ON THE DELUSIONAL EXPRESS WHERE LAWS DONT MATTER AND DOCTORS AND NURSES AND POLICE LET THE BODIES OF BABIES DECAY PUBLICLY

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

False. What has been documented and uncontested is that she was NOT offered a therepeutic abortion when it should have been offered - which is when she first went to the hospital.

What has also not been proven is that she “abused a corpse.” Women-haters like you say she did. Those who have compassion think she dealt with a traumatic situation in a way that does not warrant anything but sympathy.

The question was “what was she offered?”, not “what wasn’t offered.”

Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

It was reported that they were deliberating next steps on an ethics committee.

She went to the hospital for treatment - twice. And twice left without receiving treatment.

If they offered her treatment she would have taken it. That’s why she was there. TWICE.

Again, fabricating scenarios. You don’t know what alternatives (if any) they offered her. Neither do I. Maybe the alternative was hospitalization and monitoring. Do you know if they offered that? Yup, neither do I.

What are you even trying to say? That’s not a reasonable alternative. She was heading towards sepsis and the fetus was doomed. She needed a therepeutic abortion. Not “monitoring.”

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

Really, so why are people insisting she wasn’t offered care or insisting the care she was offered was not best practice? Which is it?


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We are saying she wasn't offered care, because the article says that the doctors wanted to induce labor but weren't allowed to because they were waiting for the ethics committee. It's right there in the article that they didn't treat her, or offer to treat her, because they were waiting for the ethics committee.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

It was reported that they were deliberating next steps on an ethics committee.

She went to the hospital for treatment - twice. And twice left without receiving treatment.

If they offered her treatment she would have taken it. That’s why she was there. TWICE.

Again, fabricating scenarios. You don’t know what alternatives (if any) they offered her. Neither do I. Maybe the alternative was hospitalization and monitoring. Do you know if they offered that? Yup, neither do I.

Hospitalization and monitoring isn't a treatment. It sounds like they probably did offer that, but it's irrelevant to the question of whether she was offered treatment.

Are you saying that the doctors told the ethics committee that they wanted to induce labor, and then went to her and offered a D & C? Because a D & C would have been treatment. I don't even understand what you are saying.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

It was reported that they were deliberating next steps on an ethics committee.

She went to the hospital for treatment - twice. And twice left without receiving treatment.

If they offered her treatment she would have taken it. That’s why she was there. TWICE.

Again, fabricating scenarios. You don’t know what alternatives (if any) they offered her. Neither do I. Maybe the alternative was hospitalization and monitoring. Do you know if they offered that? Yup, neither do I.

What are you even trying to say? That’s not a reasonable alternative. She was heading towards sepsis and the fetus was doomed. She needed a therepeutic abortion. Not “monitoring.”

Are you a physician?
(I already know the answer)

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

It was reported that they were deliberating next steps on an ethics committee.

She went to the hospital for treatment - twice. And twice left without receiving treatment.

If they offered her treatment she would have taken it. That’s why she was there. TWICE.

Again, fabricating scenarios. You don’t know what alternatives (if any) they offered her. Neither do I. Maybe the alternative was hospitalization and monitoring. Do you know if they offered that? Yup, neither do I.

Hospitalization and monitoring isn't a treatment. It sounds like they probably did offer that, but it's irrelevant to the question of whether she was offered treatment.

Are you saying that the doctors told the ethics committee that they wanted to induce labor, and then went to her and offered a D & C? Because a D & C would have been treatment. I don't even understand what you are saying.

What I’m saying is unless you are a doctor and intimately familiar with her case, you have no idea what the other options were. You decided she needed a D & C, and nothing else. You will never admit that there may have been alternatives. You don’t know what they are and what the risk/benefit would be. Neither do I.
WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ALL THE. FACTS.
But that’s not stopping you.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

Really, so why are people insisting she wasn’t offered care or insisting the care she was offered was not best practice? Which is it?


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People are insisting that because it fits their agenda. There couldn’t possibly be any other explanation. Except theirs.

There’s quite simply no explanation even taken in your most insanely negative light that could justify criminally prosecuting her. Everyone agrees the fetus was going to die and was dead when born. At the very worst she was irresponsible about what she did.

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If you had a brain tumor and the hospital offered to let you sit in the hospital and monitor it… would you consider that treatment?

If you had a heart attack and the hospital offered you a bed and nothing else, would you consider that treatment?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

False. What has been documented and uncontested is that she was NOT offered a therepeutic abortion when it should have been offered - which is when she first went to the hospital.

What has also not been proven is that she “abused a corpse.” Women-haters like you say she did. Those who have compassion think she dealt with a traumatic situation in a way that does not warrant anything but sympathy.

The question was “what was she offered?”, not “what wasn’t offered.”

Try again.

Why does that question matter? She was offered something that was not the standard of care. Whatever she was offered, it was not the medical care she needed.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

Really, so why are people insisting she wasn’t offered care or insisting the care she was offered was not best practice? Which is it?


🤡🎪🎡🤹🎢🎠 A QUICK STOP TO PICK UP SOME ADDITIONAL CLOWNS WHO SADLY CAN’T READ, THEY WILL BE TREATED WELL AND GIVEN JOBS WHEN WE ARRIVE AT OUR DESTINATION🐘🐯🙈🙊🙉 🚂

People are insisting that because it fits their agenda. There couldn’t possibly be any other explanation. Except theirs.

There’s quite simply no explanation even taken in your most insanely negative light that could justify criminally prosecuting her. Everyone agrees the fetus was going to die and was dead when born. At the very worst she was irresponsible about what she did.

I absolutely don’t think she should be prosecuted under this crazy law. But I really have a problem with people creating narratives when they have no proof. She shouldn’t be prosecuted. But she’s not the poor traumatized mom that everyone is making her out to be. I think she made really bad choices. She should have stayed at the hospital.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

I said this in the beginning of the thread - what if she left AMA? No one cared. It’s irrelevant to them. Fortunately it’s 100% relevant to the case.

Her location is irrelevant because when she was at the hospital she was not offered proper medical care. Her doctors were blocked by laws pushed by religious people.

Religious a-holes are 100% to blame for her big receiving proper care.

Religious a-holes are also 100% responsible for this ridiculous persecution.

Find a new fetish. Stop judging and persecuting women for your own pleasure.

She was offered medical treatment twice during two hospitalizations.

Can someone show where the New York Times article states that doctors were BLOCKED from giving this woman medical treatment?

I’ve read the linked article twice and don’t see the word BLOCKED anywhere.

Show us the proof it’s written in the article.

You’re being obtuse.

They would have treated her immediately if they didn’t have to call the ethics board to review the situation.

And they still didn’t treat her on her subsequent visit.

Religious a-holes prevented this woman from getting the care she needed. And they get sick pleasure out of judging her every action and persecuting her for all of it.

It’s disgusting beyond words. You people are truly vile.

🚨 THE WORD BLOCKED IS NOT PRESENT IN THE NYT ARTICLE. EL STINKO DELUXO POSTED A LIE.

Quit lying, liar.

THE ETHICS COMMITTEE DID NOT BLOCK DOCTORS FROM TREATING THIS WOMAN.

LIARS WHO LIE ARE JUST LYING.

Do you think you’re convincing anyone?

🚨I DON’T NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE BECAUSE I CAN READ AND LIVE IN REALITY WHILE YOU AND YOUR BRETHREN ARE RIDING ON THE DELUSIONAL EXPRESS WHERE LAWS DONT MATTER AND DOCTORS AND NURSES AND POLICE LET THE BODIES OF BABIES DECAY PUBLICLY

So what do you think abou women who flush a 17 week miscarriage?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

Really, so why are people insisting she wasn’t offered care or insisting the care she was offered was not best practice? Which is it?


🤡🎪🎡🤹🎢🎠 A QUICK STOP TO PICK UP SOME ADDITIONAL CLOWNS WHO SADLY CAN’T READ, THEY WILL BE TREATED WELL AND GIVEN JOBS WHEN WE ARRIVE AT OUR DESTINATION🐘🐯🙈🙊🙉 🚂

People are insisting that because it fits their agenda. There couldn’t possibly be any other explanation. Except theirs.

There’s quite simply no explanation even taken in your most insanely negative light that could justify criminally prosecuting her. Everyone agrees the fetus was going to die and was dead when born. At the very worst she was irresponsible about what she did.

I absolutely don’t think she should be prosecuted under this crazy law. But I really have a problem with people creating narratives when they have no proof. She shouldn’t be prosecuted. But she’s not the poor traumatized mom that everyone is making her out to be. I think she made really bad choices. She should have stayed at the hospital.

The fact that they were deliberately proper treatment at all makes her the “poor traumatized mom”. Everything that happened after is inconsequential.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

It was reported that they were deliberating next steps on an ethics committee.

She went to the hospital for treatment - twice. And twice left without receiving treatment.

If they offered her treatment she would have taken it. That’s why she was there. TWICE.

Again, fabricating scenarios. You don’t know what alternatives (if any) they offered her. Neither do I. Maybe the alternative was hospitalization and monitoring. Do you know if they offered that? Yup, neither do I.

Hospitalization and monitoring isn't a treatment. It sounds like they probably did offer that, but it's irrelevant to the question of whether she was offered treatment.

Are you saying that the doctors told the ethics committee that they wanted to induce labor, and then went to her and offered a D & C? Because a D & C would have been treatment. I don't even understand what you are saying.

What I’m saying is unless you are a doctor and intimately familiar with her case, you have no idea what the other options were. You decided she needed a D & C, and nothing else. You will never admit that there may have been alternatives. You don’t know what they are and what the risk/benefit would be. Neither do I.
WE. DO. NOT. HAVE. ALL THE. FACTS.
But that’s not stopping you.

The forced birthers are desperately trying to deal with the outcome of the strict state laws. They are really mad about the attention these cases are getting. It’s not just Brittany - many women have been denied therepeutic abortions. We know this.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread has 1100 posts and exactly no one has said, and Ohio state law doesn’t say, what exactly she should have done with the fetal remains. Should she have bought a tiny coffin on her way home from the hospital which didn’t provide her with the standard of care for her situation?

B) The product of human conception of at least twenty weeks of gestation that suffers a fetal death occurring in Ohio shall not be interred, deposited in a vault or tomb, cremated, or otherwise disposed of by a funeral director or other person until a fetal death certificate or provisional death certificate has been filed with and a burial permit is issued by the local registrar of vital statistics of the registration district in which the fetal death occurs, or the body is found

https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-3705.20

So sadly for you ghouls, babies have to be accounted for by laws. No throwing babies in a bucket and allowing them to be dragged off by raccoons or decay into a tiny skeleton.

The nurse did the correct thing. She followed the law, because she is a competent nurse, not some loon posting online about tiny coffins.

Do you think the hospital told her she would need to do all this if she delivered her dead fetus at home?

Who knows, she disappeared twice and didn’t care if she died at her hairdressers business. She didn’t care about herself and pushed her dead baby down a toilet with a plunger. She was non-compliant in every way and likely would have died if not for her hairdresser.

The hospital offered her lifesaving medical treatment twice and she ignored their advice, she is lucky to be alive and was more worried about hiding her pregnancy and hiding her dead baby than anything else in the world, including her own life.

They did not.

The doctors were blocked by the religious a-holes who get pleasure out of judging and persecuting women.

You’ve been debunked.

Can you provide a quote or a link that debunks this? Because everything I have read said that she left the hospital after being admitted but not treated because an ethics committee needed to meet. So instead of being treated, she was just waiting, albeit in a hospital bed.

Not to mention, that it's irrelevant, because the law allows people to leave the hospital AMA. That is not a crime, and so it's completely irrelevant to the question of whether she should have been arrested or charged.

Read the last few pages. All information is linked.

She left twice against medical advice. No religious or political reasons kept her from receiving treatment. She kept herself from being treated.

Every thing I have read that is linked, and I admit I haven't read every link in the whole thread, said that at the point she left the ethics committee hadn't made a determination of whether she could be treated. You said that the fact that the doctor were blocked was "debunked" but everything I have read, such as the New York Times, says that they were.

So, since you claim there is another link which says that they offered her treatment, I am asking you to repost it.

According to a report by the Trumbull County Coroner’s Office, Ms. Watts was 21 weeks and five days pregnant when she was admitted to St. Joseph Warren Hospital in Youngstown, Ohio, with vaginal bleeding on Sept. 19. Doctors determined that her water broke prematurely and her cervix became dilated; Ms. Watts also had a significantly elevated white blood cell count.

Doctors were able to detect cardiac activity but “recommended she be induced and deliver the fetus despite its nonviable status,” the report said, because she was at significant risk of maternal death, sepsis or “complete placental abruption with catastrophic bleeding.”

On her initial visit to the hospital, Ms Watts left after waiting (WHILE ADMITTED TO THE HOSPITAL AND BEING IN A HOSPITAL BED BEING MONITORED BY HER DOCTORS AND OTHER MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS) eight hours for a hospital ethics panel to determine whether to induce her pregnancy without legal ramifications because she was on the cusp of Ohio’s viability timeline, 22 weeks, Ms. Timko told The Associated Press. The hospital declined to comment.

Ms. Watts went home to “process the information she was told,” the coroner’s report said. She returned the next day with the same symptoms and left a second time without treatment.

On Sept. 22, Ms. Watts passed the fetus at home alone in her bathroom and returned to the hospital, where she received a dilation and curettage, also called a D and C, to remove the placenta, according to the report. The hospital notified the Warren City Police Department about the miscarriage and “the need to locate the fetus.”

The police found the fetus clogged in her bathroom toilet, the report said, noting that Ms. Watts had told the police that she disposed of what she believed to be the remains in a bucket in her backyard. The police then took the entire toilet out of the home and took it to a morgue, “where it was broken open” to retrieve the fetus, the report said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2...rtion.html

These are facts.

That said that she wasn't offered medical treatment. That doctors had recommended she receive medical treatment, but they were blocked by an ethics committee who was trying to figure out how to provide medical treatment within the context of the laws, which were definitely made by people motivated by religion, or by the desire to win the votes of people motivated by religion.

So, in other words, she was not offered any treatment, because the doctors were blocked by laws written by or on behalf of religious people. I guess you can argue that they weren't a-holes, but that's hardly a fact either way, so it wasn't debunked. Other than that, your link 100% supports the quote you claim was debunked.

Have you found the paragraph from the NYT article that states doctors were BLOCKED from providing this woman medical treatment? Or are you going to slink away like the stinky liar you are?

Dp- The law blocked the law blocked the doctors. The at the time meant she was denied proper care.

🚨 BUT YOU HAVE NO SOURCE FOR YOUR POST FROM EITHER THE NYT ARTICLE OR ANY OTHER ARTICLE FROM A LEGITIMATE NEWS SOURCE, RIGHT, STINKY?

Don’t bother. They can’t answer and will continue to 1) make up their own facts, 2) move the goalposts or 3) an combination of 1 & 2
Call them on their sh¡t and the hand waving and smoke and mirrors start. They can’t handle it.

Ok. Let’s call out the BS.

What treatment was she offered?

We have no idea. It hasn’t been reported and none of us know.

False. What has been documented and uncontested is that she was NOT offered a therepeutic abortion when it should have been offered - which is when she first went to the hospital.

What has also not been proven is that she “abused a corpse.” Women-haters like you say she did. Those who have compassion think she dealt with a traumatic situation in a way that does not warrant anything but sympathy.

The question was “what was she offered?”, not “what wasn’t offered.”

Try again.

Why does that question matter? She was offered something that was not the standard of care. Whatever she was offered, it was not the medical care she needed.

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She was effectively blocked from proper care because of the religious nutters in Ohio and SCOTUS.