Big Beautiful Bill

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Anonymous wrote:There is still a chance to stop this bill specifically the Medicaid cut. I don’t think Trump is even aware the Medicaid cuts are in the bill. Even if you are not on any type of assistance, the cuts to Medicaid will decimate our healthcare system. Hospitals in blue areas are already making cuts. No one will be immune from this. No one!
https://indivisible.org/resource/call-now-tell-your-republican-representative-you-dont-want-pay-price-their-billionaire-tax

Its an all or nothing bill. Either the GOP passes it, or it doesn't. Trump saying he won't follow the law passed by the Congress is just more law breaking by the president.

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Anonymous wrote:Gonna be tough for Dems to win back the Blue Wall if no taxes on tips and overtime passes. Non college educated working class people are the biggest demographic group in the country and they’re going to notice those rising paychecks and Trump is going to do everything in his power to let them know who did it.

A lot of noise and cope in this thread. These are the two provisions that will decide 2028.

Agree and this is a great bill!! Jamie Raskin had trouble complaining about some of the provisions!! Trump is finally a republican who gets middle class. I feel like finally we can bring Dems back to the middle without all the crazy stuff. People are tired of hating on the country and all the pronouns and indoctrination of kids.
People want to work and be with family and be left alone. R and D used to be about this.

I heard Jamie Raskin this morning and he had NO trouble discussing why this was a terrible bill.

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

A lot of working class people get tips and overtime and they will seeing sizeably larger paychecks after this bill.

And if you don’t think Seniors, the most reliable voting bloc, won’t notice this Social Security tax cut you’re out of your mind.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/03/big-beautiful-bill-social-security

How it works: Both the House and Senate bills include an increased tax deduction for tax filers age 64 and older. In the Senate version, the new deduction is $6,000 for individuals and $12,000 for couples.

The deduction starts phasing out for those who earn over $75,000 ($150,000 for couples), and phases out completely at $175,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples, in the Senate version.

This Dem spin on this bill is not going to matter if these no tax on tips, overtime, and Social Security deductions get implemented. These are incredibly large voting blocs.

The tax on tips kicks in after $25k, so good luck telling people that there are no taxes on tips when there are and the kick in at a ridiculously low number.

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

I do get that, although I’ve been thinking of that more as a short-term to mid-ish term Republican goal. My question —which perhaps wasn’t clear — is about the “then what”: when there is an enormous group of struggling people, many with serious untreated heath problems. Many of those people will be Republicans— struggling themselves. And many will be people who provide services and supports that Republicans have taken for granted, that just won’t be there anymore. I’m thinking it will be like that Jenga game: once the foundation crumples, the whole thing crashes to the ground — including the pieces that were at the top. So ultimately, long term, this won’t be good for anyone who benefits from having a functioning society.

What else am I missing here, though?

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

I do get that, although I’ve been thinking of that more as a short-term to mid-ish term Republican goal. My question —which perhaps wasn’t clear — is about the “then what”: when there is an enormous group of struggling people, many with serious untreated heath problems. Many of those people will be Republicans— struggling themselves. And many will be people who provide services and supports that Republicans have taken for granted, that just won’t be there anymore. I’m thinking it will be like that Jenga game: once the foundation crumples, the whole thing crashes to the ground — including the pieces that were at the top. So ultimately, long term, this won’t be good for anyone who benefits from having a functioning society.

What else am I missing here, though?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/opinion/republican-bill-trump-reagan.html

Consumption tax

"Under normal circumstances, passing a VAT — a regressive tax on consumption — would be political suicide for either party. But in the context of a fiscal emergency, and with the cost partly offset by cuts to even more regressive tariffs, it just might be a plank that both parties could agree to walk together."

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

A lot of working class people get tips and overtime and they will seeing sizeably larger paychecks after this bill.

And if you don’t think Seniors, the most reliable voting bloc, won’t notice this Social Security tax cut you’re out of your mind.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/03/big-beautiful-bill-social-security

How it works: Both the House and Senate bills include an increased tax deduction for tax filers age 64 and older. In the Senate version, the new deduction is $6,000 for individuals and $12,000 for couples.

The deduction starts phasing out for those who earn over $75,000 ($150,000 for couples), and phases out completely at $175,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples, in the Senate version.

This Dem spin on this bill is not going to matter if these no tax on tips, overtime, and Social Security deductions get implemented. These are incredibly large voting blocs.

Waitresses and cops will love it. What about receptionists? Pre-k teachers? Lots of low income people work in jobs that don't have tips or overtime.

Do we want people to leave those jobs to avoid taxes? That's not a good thing. More likely they will be mad that they don't benefit from these cuts.

OMG you are clueless. I was an assistant and yes I got OT. There are a lot of people who get OT even hmmm in the government!!

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

I do get that, although I’ve been thinking of that more as a short-term to mid-ish term Republican goal. My question —which perhaps wasn’t clear — is about the “then what”: when there is an enormous group of struggling people, many with serious untreated heath problems. Many of those people will be Republicans— struggling themselves. And many will be people who provide services and supports that Republicans have taken for granted, that just won’t be there anymore. I’m thinking it will be like that Jenga game: once the foundation crumples, the whole thing crashes to the ground — including the pieces that were at the top. So ultimately, long term, this won’t be good for anyone who benefits from having a functioning society.

What else am I missing here, though?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/opinion/republican-bill-trump-reagan.html

Consumption tax

"Under normal circumstances, passing a VAT — a regressive tax on consumption — would be political suicide for either party. But in the context of a fiscal emergency, and with the cost partly offset by cuts to even more regressive tariffs, it just might be a plank that both parties could agree to walk together."

you lost me at NYT

Don't worry it will eventually come to Fox news too and you can learn about it there.

Americans like social security and medicare. Republicans don't like income or corporate taxes. You do the math.

[Anonymous]

GO, HAKEEM! Save us from this horrible bill!

[Anonymous]

The big beautiful bill is coming to pass so there is that. It is a great bill. The R love people who want to work and better themselves and really care about middle class and low income who aspires to move up. I cannot see how anyone could not love this bill unless they were looking or are cheating the system (there will be detail on fraud finally) or do not want to work or volunteer. There is so much to love on this bill for everyone and I am guessing you will have some liberals come to the GOP. If you do not love bill it is because you have not truly understood the details. There is no other President who could have accomplished this. The R used to be mainly for rich. DJT wants everyone to benefit.

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Anonymous wrote:The big beautiful bill is coming to pass so there is that. It is a great bill. The R love people who want to work and better themselves and really care about middle class and low income who aspires to move up. I cannot see how anyone could not love this bill unless they were looking or are cheating the system (there will be detail on fraud finally) or do not want to work or volunteer. There is so much to love on this bill for everyone and I am guessing you will have some liberals come to the GOP. If you do not love bill it is because you have not truly understood the details. There is no other President who could have accomplished this. The R used to be mainly for rich. DJT wants everyone to benefit.

This kinds like a Chat GPT response if you told it to sound like a Trump cultist spreading propaganda.

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

I do get that, although I’ve been thinking of that more as a short-term to mid-ish term Republican goal. My question —which perhaps wasn’t clear — is about the “then what”: when there is an enormous group of struggling people, many with serious untreated heath problems. Many of those people will be Republicans— struggling themselves. And many will be people who provide services and supports that Republicans have taken for granted, that just won’t be there anymore. I’m thinking it will be like that Jenga game: once the foundation crumples, the whole thing crashes to the ground — including the pieces that were at the top. So ultimately, long term, this won’t be good for anyone who benefits from having a functioning society.

What else am I missing here, though?

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/opinion/republican-bill-trump-reagan.html

Consumption tax

"Under normal circumstances, passing a VAT — a regressive tax on consumption — would be political suicide for either party. But in the context of a fiscal emergency, and with the cost partly offset by cuts to even more regressive tariffs, it just might be a plank that both parties could agree to walk together."

you lost me at NYT

I just don’t understand why fox kits don’t believe in any kind of unbiased media anymore. They don’t even want it or want to think about what they are ingesting.

What do you view as “unbiased media”?

I used to read the NYT and the Washington Post thoroughly every Sunday, and less thoroughly during the week. I don’t anymore. I mostly check non-American sources for less biased news, and biased but willing-to-show-their- work news sources online.

Are you claiming that the NYT is “unbiased”? The closest we’ve got? Something else?

[Anonymous]

can he talk till tommorow ?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us.

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know? People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running; People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore. The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast. That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff. Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill.

A lot of working class people get tips and overtime and they will seeing sizeably larger paychecks after this bill.

And if you don’t think Seniors, the most reliable voting bloc, won’t notice this Social Security tax cut you’re out of your mind.

https://www.axios.com/2025/07/03/big-beautiful-bill-social-security

How it works: Both the House and Senate bills include an increased tax deduction for tax filers age 64 and older. In the Senate version, the new deduction is $6,000 for individuals and $12,000 for couples.

The deduction starts phasing out for those who earn over $75,000 ($150,000 for couples), and phases out completely at $175,000 for individuals and $250,000 for couples, in the Senate version.

This Dem spin on this bill is not going to matter if these no tax on tips, overtime, and Social Security deductions get implemented. These are incredibly large voting blocs.

The tax on tips kicks in after $25k, so good luck telling people that there are no taxes on tips when there are and the kick in at a ridiculously low number.

Is that 26k in tips or total income?

[Anonymous]

According to Jeffries, this bill will unleash deportation on steroids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:can he talk till tommorow ?

I hope he does. Trump will hate if the story is about Jeffries talking for more than 24 hours to delay passage of his bill.