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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No friggin wonder nearly 20% of our economy is health  care. Time to blow it up.

I don't care what state, party, or demographic you want to cite. Get rid of it before it bankrupts us. [/quote]

You want to blow up 29% of our economy? Are you somehow immune to suffering?[/quote]

Republicans hate our country and want to destroy it.[/quote]

I’m really not clear about the long game here. What do they think they’ll be left with?

Unless the plan is to play in other people’s countries once they’ve ruined this one, or to stay secluded on their yachts, don’t they get that their expensive, exalted lives rest heavily on the backs of people whose names they don’t care to know?  People who sacrificed the time and money it took to go to med school, people who pilot the helicopters, people who clean and caretake and keep things running;   People who provide services that many of us want and most of us will need at some point — those people and those resources won’t be there anymore.  The super wealthy will continue to have choices. The richest family in rural western wherever might not — hospitals are already starting to close, and the businesses that they support and the incomes that they provide will be toast.  That means suffering for many of us, but it also means the crumbling of the infrastructures that support their/ our lives — from the essentials to some of the fun stuff.  Some of the not wealthy MAGAs are already feeling the shocks.

It would be nice if enough of this clicks in time for them to call their Representatives NOW.

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This bill gives Republicans what they have wanted for years. Cuts to the social safety net and lower taxes for corporations and the rich. They've cried crocodile tears about the deficit for 25 years while adding to it every time they are in charge. This is just more of the same, but they finally got their Medicaid cuts and SNAP.

The problem for Republicans now is the working class put them back in power. Their benefits get cut and they won't get much from the new goodies in the bill. [/quote]

I do get that, although I’ve been thinking of that more as a short-term to mid-ish term Republican goal.  My question —which perhaps wasn’t clear — is about the “then what”: when there is an enormous group of struggling people, many with serious untreated heath problems.  Many of those people will be Republicans— struggling themselves. And many will be people who provide services and supports that Republicans have taken for granted, that just won’t be there anymore.  I’m thinking it will be like that Jenga game: once the foundation crumples, the whole thing crashes to the ground — including the pieces that were at the top. So ultimately, long term, this won’t be good for anyone who benefits from having a functioning society.

What else am I missing here, though? [/quote]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/opinion/republican-bill-trump-reagan.html

Consumption tax

"Under normal circumstances, passing a VAT — a regressive tax on consumption — would be political suicide for either party. But in the context of a fiscal emergency, and with the cost partly offset by cuts to even more regressive tariffs, it just might be a plank that both parties could agree to walk together."

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you lost me at NYT[/quote]

Don't worry it will eventually come to Fox news too and you can learn about it there.

Americans like social security and medicare. Republicans don't like income or corporate taxes. You do the math. [/quote]

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