Redshirting consequences at Lafayette

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

+1. This is the perfect example of a child who should have been redshirted, not left to struggle for 12 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

Emotional maturity is something that can be considered, at principal's discretion, for PK and K retention. Sounds like your principal just didn't think your case merited it. From the policy:

"Note: If a student in pre-K or kindergarten has met the proficiency requirements in the core subject areas but
is not deemed ready for promotion to kindergarten or 1st grade by a teacher or a parent due to functional
skill level in the areas of physical, social, or emotional development, an option to repeat pre-K or
kindergarten may be considered without being designated as a retention."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

True. Our son, with a very late August birthday, was all set to repeat DCPS PK4. Then in the final couple months of school everything seem to click and his teacher changed her earlier recommendation and he was sent to K on time. He's currently entering 8th grade doing great both academically and socially.

Now maybe there is a difference in policy for PK4 versus K...which I suppose could support a case for more PK4 in upper NW, to better determine which kids need more time and which don't, officially.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

True. Our son, with a very late August birthday, was all set to repeat DCPS PK4. Then in the final couple months of school everything seem to click and his teacher changed her earlier recommendation and he was sent to K on time. He's currently entering 8th grade doing great both academically and socially.

Now maybe there is a difference in policy for PK4 versus K...which I suppose could support a case for more PK4 in upper NW, to better determine which kids need more time and which don't, officially.

It's the same policy for PK. But you have to actually be attending the school with the appropriate age cohort for a principal to make a retention decision and you have to re-lottery for the spot. All in 2022 guidance document at the very bottom of this page, for anyone interested: https://dcps.dc.gov/ece

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

There's IS a promotion and retention policy. See here: https://dcps.dc.gov/publication/student-promotion-policy

Kids can be held back at principal's discretion once enrolled in DCPS.

At principal's discretion. Not parents. IME they only hold back if there are severe academic deficits. They don't hold kids back for social reasons. I have an August birthday. Our request to redshirt was denied. Our suggestions to hold back have been rejected. Our child is above grade level academically but struggling a lot with emotional maturity -- extremely shy, highly sensitive. This is not considered a reason to retain.

Emotional maturity is something that can be considered, at principal's discretion, for PK and K retention. Sounds like your principal just didn't think your case merited it. From the policy:

"Note: If a student in pre-K or kindergarten has met the proficiency requirements in the core subject areas but
is not deemed ready for promotion to kindergarten or 1st grade by a teacher or a parent due to functional
skill level in the areas of physical, social, or emotional development, an option to repeat pre-K or
kindergarten may be considered without being designated as a retention."

Because the principal is going to know so much about the kid! Cripes. People really, really *really* don’t want to give the parents the benefit of the doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

This is a perfect case of how a birth date doesn’t tell the whole story. Some kids are ready a year early. Some kids are ready a year late. Most are fine right on time. There should be flexibility so that each child’s needs are met.

If she was in DCPS, the reason why is because DCPS doesn't allow it. They don't allow redshirting at parental discretion, and they don't allow holding back.

This is why people hate the Lafayette parents. The rest of us suffer under these rules, but the Lafayette parents want an exception for their kids only. No. Either change the rules for everyone or not, but why are only families at certain schools in certain parts of town getting this? It is not ethical.

Why should all of these kids suffer? This is the worst rule. If they lived in Maryland none of these kids would be suffering.

Instead it would be the kids who go to school on time only to find they are 18 months younger than their classmates who suffer.

Kids who miss an entire grade because their parents misjudged the likelihood of getting delayed enrollment approved will suffer even more, but because the parents are unlikeable, nobody cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read this entire thread, but only recently became aware of this issue. Has anybody here discussed the unfairness of redshirting to those who have late summer boys who don't or can't redshirt? My now college age August born boy struggled all throughout school because of his young age in comparison to boys--and girls--who were sometime over 18 months older than him. And he was not alone. DC is right to enforce the rules--no vanity redshirting.

It's so weird how schools in DC are friggin enormous, bigger than many colleges, and somehow everyone knows precisely how old each student is, as well as how well they perform academically compared to older and younger kids in their class.

This whole thread is so ridiculous. You’re all insane.

This thread reminds me of the extended debate about renaming Wilson High Schooll. Who gives a fck? So some kids are held back. Who cares?

I have lnever given red shirting a single second thought until these entitled moms started dragging our principal through the press. I think that’s partially why the thread is so long. It’s the messenger more than the message.

So find your adult mind, understand the parents are obnoxious, and think through the issue pedagogically.

Let’s say the option is given to parents to decide the grade of a child. How many parents would choose to have a 7yo in a kindergarten class in order to give them a hypothetical “advantage?” My estimate is zero, but maybe I’m wrong. Run a survey. Give it a test run. My bet is still on zero 7yos in kindergarten.

Of the 6yo’s, how many have parents who just want them to be the “star?” These poor, misguided kids have hyper competitive parents and will suffer from that more than anything else.

Of the rest, what are the reasons? As long as you’re preventing <1% of kids from suffering for 12 years per pp post, let them red shirt.

As for the pp who did not redshirt their child and instead let them suffer for 12 years per their own story, what a horrible parent. I would’ve moved to MD or private before letting my kid endure what that parent did.

And to any parent who does it for equity reasons, you’re horrible. Parent your child. Move or choose another school.