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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

Smart dude. Lots of guys get out and end up working in career fields where their job in the service doesn’t translate well in terms of skills.

Sounds like he got something out of it that helped him long term. Not sure why there is so much hate for him here.

DP. It's the way he changed from being a Never Trumper to being all in. It's inauthentic.

He’s a young dude. For most people in his shoes this would be the pinnacle of their careers to serve such a high office.

I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and I think based on some of the things he disagrees with extremists on he might be a good fit.

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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

Smart dude. Lots of guys get out and end up working in career fields where their job in the service doesn’t translate well in terms of skills.

Sounds like he got something out of it that helped him long term. Not sure why there is so much hate for him here.

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Because the trolls here have deep issues.

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I like him. I see why Trump chose him. He’s around the same age as his sons

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Anonymous wrote:Dems are so funny. Do you have anything to say other than snarky personal attacks?

+1. I love how they are using gay and religion as pejoratives when it suits their theme.

+ a million
Not to mention, misogyny and racism. This thread is a masterclass of the inner workings of the liberal "mind." The hypocrisy is truly something to behold.

It is interesting.

I don't like any and all of them

But seeing where progressives are going - hating on a woman for class, race, ethnicity. Not loving her appearance.

Yeah, that's going to turn out well.

Progressives being super as usual and absolutely destroying things for every other human being.

On brand

I don’t see any progressives hating on her. She’s not relevant (though she is a GOP true believer).

You must be joking. Are you new to the thread? Maybe you missed the truly unhinged posts which seem to have been deleted.

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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

Smart dude. Lots of guys get out and end up working in career fields where their job in the service doesn’t translate well in terms of skills.

Sounds like he got something out of it that helped him long term. Not sure why there is so much hate for him here.

DP. It's the way he changed from being a Never Trumper to being all in. It's inauthentic.

David Frum:

“Many who knew the early Vance ponder the question: What happened to him?

I don’t overthink that question; the answer seems obvious enough. I ponder something else.

The anti-populist conservative Vance persona of 2010–17 was well designed to please the individuals and constituencies that held power over his future at that juncture in his career. The angry-white-male persona of 2017–22 was as perfectly aimed at the Thiel-Trump-Tucker nexus as the earlier iteration had been to the Allen-Aspen-Atlantic one.”

(https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/05/jd-vance-trump-republican-frumforum/629814/)

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He married a WOC.

Served in Iraq

Is anti Ukraine war and warmongering.

Good job Trump for not selecting Little Marco or Nikki Haley (corporate empty suits/neocon hacks who would blow up the world if their donors said go)

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Anonymous wrote:He married a WOC.

Served in Iraq

Is anti Ukraine war and warmongering.

Good job Trump for not selecting Little Marco or Nikki Haley (corporate empty suits/neocon hacks who would blow up the world if their donors said go)

And he's an author with no political experience. Palin is more qualified than him.

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Anonymous wrote:Do we actually know if she’s Brahmin

Why does this matter to you? Why are Democrats so obsessed with race and ethnicity?

Democrats aren't. Maybe you assume too much about anonymous posters. It's right wingers like Nick Fuentes who are obsessed with her race.

Nick Fuentes has to be a troll. He's just outrageous.

Well, yeah. He is.

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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

Smart dude. Lots of guys get out and end up working in career fields where their job in the service doesn’t translate well in terms of skills.

Sounds like he got something out of it that helped him long term. Not sure why there is so much hate for him here.

DP. It's the way he changed from being a Never Trumper to being all in. It's inauthentic.

Everyone started from that position because DJT didn’t exactly debut in the race as an obvious presidential choice /candidate .

Over time, DJT has become the standard bearer for American labor , populism, and the anti Neo con anti war division of the Republican Party. Trump is one man labor union for the US . He rallies against illegal immigration and international war - both traditionally Republican policies. Remember, Trumps Republican predecessor Dubya was the amnesty and the Iraq war present. What Trumps done by expanding ICE and the federal govt annoys Republican traditionalists and the 1%, but helps white and black America and especially ignored rural and Midwestern Americans get factory jobs. The Democrats are no longer the party of labor . They call these regions the flyover states which shows you all you need to know about their elitism and insensitivity . Trump stops by and doesn’t ignore these states as fly overs and you wonder why they made him a national hero? Dems need to realize their failure isn’t that Trump whacks them over the head with the baton its that they passed the populist baton to someone like Trump in the first place

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Anonymous wrote:He married a WOC.

Served in Iraq

Is anti Ukraine war and warmongering.

Good job Trump for not selecting Little Marco or Nikki Haley (corporate empty suits/neocon hacks who would blow up the world if their donors said go)

And he's an author with no political experience. Palin is more qualified than him.

No. He's much smarter and better educated .

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Anonymous wrote:He married a WOC.

Served in Iraq

Is anti Ukraine war and warmongering.

Good job Trump for not selecting Little Marco or Nikki Haley (corporate empty suits/neocon hacks who would blow up the world if their donors said go)

And he's an author with no political experience. Palin is more qualified than him.

No. He's much smarter and better educated .

In 10 years, maybe. Not now.

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Anonymous wrote:Russ Douhat had a very revealing interview with Vance in The NY Times. Whatever your politics, it’s hard to argue that Biden, Harris, or Trump are nearly as smart or insightful as Vance, who offers nuanced, well formed answers to every question posed:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/opinion/jd-vance-interview.html

This guy seems like an actual intellectual, not a lightweight peddling cliches and poll tested talking points, which is refreshing.

Talk is cheap. He would force his own wife or daughter to bear her rapist's baby. So intellectual! Such nuance! So insightful and well formed!

I like it when he says it is “inconvenient” when a woman becomes pregnant from rape.

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Vance is opposed to abortion; on the website for his 2022 campaign for the Senate, he declared himself “100 percent pro-life” and called for “eliminating abortion.” However, he said on CNN in December 2023: “We have to accept that people do not want blanket abortion bans. They just don’t. And I say that as a person who wants to protect as many unborn babies as possible. We have to provide exceptions for life of the mother, for rape, and so forth.”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/10/politics/fact-check-biden-campaign-j-d-vance-heritage-foundation/index.html

He has an anti abortion agenda like trump and the rest of the GOP. That is the GOP now. A losing stance but that is their stance.

+1 And not just anti-abortion, but anti birth control, too.

DP. What are you babbling about? That's just complete bull$hit. From the GOP 2024 platform:

We will oppose Late Term Abortion, while supporting mothers and policies that advance Prenatal Care, access to Birth Control, and IVF (fertility treatments).

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2024-republican-party-platform

What are you babbling about? That was roe more or less and they blew that up. They are entirely full of crap.

You don't seem very bright. No states ban birth control. Just stop.

Oh genius, you seem to be the one confused about why IVF and birth control appear at all. Roe protected all of it and now that protection is gone as we have seen.

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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

What a coincidence the totally unhooked allegedly poor hick from Ohio got the cushiest gig there is and never saw combat while all the actual white trash men were canon fodder after 9/11. Then has the nerve to boast about his “service” and imply he is some front line ME vet.

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Anonymous wrote:I know Vance infamously lives in Delray but does his family live here, too? Or do they live in Ohio.

What church do they attend in Alexandria?

They live in Del Ray. You can see them around the neighborhood. Their kids’ activities are here. My impression is they’re involved parents, thus having the family here vice Ohio.

And to those who find it outrageous that they have a home here - he's a U.S. Senator and his job is here. Like many congresspeople, he also has a home here.

Quit your bootlicking. He and his wife hate flyover people full stop and refuse to live in Ohio.

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Anonymous wrote:Just dumb poor white trash from Appalachia who enlisted on a whim as a teen during a hot war and gets the cushiest desk post there is. What are the odds.

There are no “desk jobs” for lower enlisted Marines on deployment.

I suggest those of you trashing his four-year military service read this. No, he did not see combat - as he VERY CLEARLY states in this piece. He did, however, learn a lot of very valuable lessons that it appears many of you have never learned.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

He very clearly states he was attached to units, when on missions and was in dangerous situations in unsecured areas. He got lucky that is wasn’t injured or killed, but he was most definitely in harms way and putting his life on the line. I worked as an active duty nurse and we had causalities from all different units and MOSs, not just infantry, including some of own nurses. So take a seat and stay in your lane.

PP here and I agree with you. I think you misunderstood what I was saying. Trolls have claimed that Vance made the claim that he "had seen combat," when in reality he had not. I was providing that link to show that he never made that claim - ever - and that in fact, he's very open about what his assignments were. I agree that he was in harm's way merely by being in the military. IOW, he never claimed to be anything he was not, unlike what the trolls would have everyone believe.

JD Vance was a public affairs REMF. He mostly did desk duty and the occasional photo op.

WASHINGTON — Long before J.D. Vance became the Republican nominee for vice president, he was known as Cpl. James D. Hamel, a combat correspondent in the Marine Corps. Vance, now a senator from Ohio, enlisted after graduating from high school in 2003 and served for four years, including a six-month stint in Iraq beginning in late 2005.

He spent his service working in public affairs, writing about Marines and taking photographs of their work, escorting civilian news reporters and speaking about happenings on base. In Iraq, he embedded with different units to get a sense of their daily routines and wrote a story about a crew keeping KC-130J tankers in the air. He also waded into unprotected Iraqi territory with a civil affairs unit to meet with locals.

“I was lucky to escape any real fighting,” Vance wrote of his deployment. In his last nine months in service, Vance said he unexpectedly became a media relations officer at Cherry Point — a position typically reserved for the most senior Marines. The job involved liaising with news media, considered the “holy grail” of Marine Corps public affairs with the “biggest audience and the highest stakes.” “The experience taught me a valuable lesson: That I could do it. I could work 20-hour days when I had to. I could speak clearly and confidently with TV cameras shoved in my face. I could stand in a room with majors, colonels, and generals and hold my own. I could do a captain’s job even when I feared I couldn’t,” he wrote.
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2024-07-16/vance-trump-marines-vice-president-republicans-14505177.html

What a coincidence the totally unhooked allegedly poor hick from Ohio got the cushiest gig there is and never saw combat while all the actual white trash men were canon fodder after 9/11. Then has the nerve to boast about his “service” and imply he is some front line ME vet.

The military tests recruits when they join the service. I find it reasonable to believe that a guy who eventually went to Yale Law and wrote a best-selling book without a ghostwriter was able to shine on the military standardized tests in the area of language ability, leading to the media relations job. Honestly, my guess is that many recruits (especially the ones without college degrees) do NOT do well on standardized tests of langague ability.