FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:I thought I heard McDaniel say he supports children attending schools within walking distance. Under Scenario 1, Franklin/Skyview, we are within walking distance to Franklin MS. Is McDaniel in favor of making kids go to Carson MS instead of attending Franklin MS?

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Oak Hill parents on the call were BEGGING him to move kids in your neighborhood from Franklin to Carson, so you'd better organize your neighbors and get your voices heard if you don't want that to happen.

Yes. Pretty sure they were Frankllin Farm parents of kids who go to Oak Hill. People seem to think Franklin Farm is only Crossfield and Navy.

Right, Franklin Farm HOA has always been split into East and West with Fairfax County Pkwy running north/south.
East: (think Crossfield ES) Crossfield/Oakton challenges (Scenario 2 seems most popular, splits western Franklin Farm at Franklin Farm Rd.)
West: (think Oak Hill ES) Split in half vs. staying together (Scenario 1 - Keeps kids together, seems most popular, splits eastern Franklin Farm)

Western Franklin Farm has only asked to move the boundary line in Scenario 2 to avoid splitting it in half, and then East/West (seemingly) keeps most kids together.

Meaning:
1. Move the boundary from Franklin Farm Rd south. To Lees Corner Rd/Thompson Rd - West Franklin Farm goes to Carson/Skyview
2. Move the boundary north to the HOA boundary at Chantilly Highlands, West Franklin Farm goes to Franklin, MS (but this could create another split feeder)

You're wrong about the bolded. The split only includes one street from Franklin Farm. The rest are all separate small neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory Crossfield as a collective wanted to go to Skyview at purchase, but the RIO faction became a thing when Michelle Reid proposed making Skyview an Aviation/AI/Robotics academy with it being close to Dulles and some data centers popping up near the school.

I would imagine RIO is mostly made up of middle class White and Northeast Asian parents who want their kids at Oakton, which may have less Hispanic, Black, and Middle Eastern Kids than Skyview.

This may not be about Athletics and Home Values, but Race, Socioeconomics, and possibly Religion.

You're just figuring this out?

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Anonymous wrote:Meren is sending out the same letter to people, a bunch of us got the same thing.

She opposes micro-split feeders, mentions this connected to Crossfield and it's new feeder pattern.
She opposes the Fox Mill move because it will "further decrease under-enrolled membership"

SLHS is at 98% capacity, even at 85% capacity it is not under enrolled. The issue is that they don't have enough students taking IB, is my guess. That is not FMES fault, nor is it FMES problem.

Isn't she a little big late to express her opinion publicly? I feel she went easy and avoided conflict before the last version came out, which had fmes in both versions. And now, she is say cheap words hopefully to reduce blames from slhs parents. She should really push to fix IB in slhs if that's one of the main complaints of slhs.

If we are going off of the McDaniel phone call yesterday which stated only tweaks would be made to the final scenario, keeping FMES at SLHS would be a major change.

yes. Meren played this wrong. Once the purchase was done, she should have lobbied for Crossfield to go to Skyview. It would have been easy and effective. But, she never jumped on to support this school.

She should have jumped on Option A. She should have convinced Dixit that was the way to go and Dixit likely would have supported it. Instead, she allowed RIO to take charge--and I bet a lot of those who signed the petition for Crossfield to stay at Oakton were Fox Mill parents--knowing it helped their lobbying to go to Skyview.

She completely ignores that 30 or so percent of Crossfield is in her district. Everything north of Folkstone/West Ox is Hunter Mill, including Crossfield itself.

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Anonymous wrote:It will be more than 800 empty seats, because once Westfield reaches a tipping point with too high a FARMs percentage and not enough advanced classes, all the zoned families will use FCPS transfer mechanisms to get their kids in Centreville, Skyview, Chantilly, etc, or send their kids to private.

A functioning school system would have taken the information that no one wanted to be rezoned to Westfield as a sign that the school needs some attention and improvement. FCPS decided to just go ahead and try to make it worse.

You forget that Coates and McNair - two very high FARMS schools - are being zoned out of Westfield.

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Shouldn’t Karl Frisch and Sandy Anderson be involved as their schools have the potential to be impacted.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Keep in mind that with the rezoning, Chantilly will no longer be closed to transfers. It will fill right back up with Westfield zoned students who suddenly have a hankering to learn Latin.

Yes, this person FCPS'es. For sure there will be a sudden uptick in interest in taking Latin.

You can no longer pupil place for languages, they changed that this year. You can pupil place for AP or IB or specialized programs. So Westfield kids are likely to really want aviation or STEM pathways.

I thought that was proposed but tabled?

Regardless, there are multiple other ways to get your kid into neighboring schools (legit and illegit).

People were posting about rising 9th graders wanting to pupil place for language and it not being available. We know people in Japanese Immersion who pupil place to SLHS and they had to select IB because Japanese was not an option this year. Kids who had already been pupil placed were allowed to remain but rising 9th graders did not have the option.

That tells me that someone knew Skyview would be Fox Mill and that immersion kids were opting in to Skyview.

No, they want to attend SLHS and pupil placed for IB out of Herndon. People used to pupil place for Japanese. But Fox Mill families have been active in moving to Skyview, a lot opted in to Skyview.

I think what's funny about this is that I don't think Skyview's demographics are going to be much different than South Lakes

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Anonymous wrote:It will be more than 800 empty seats, because once Westfield reaches a tipping point with too high a FARMs percentage and not enough advanced classes, all the zoned families will use FCPS transfer mechanisms to get their kids in Centreville, Skyview, Chantilly, etc, or send their kids to private.

A functioning school system would have taken the information that no one wanted to be rezoned to Westfield as a sign that the school needs some attention and improvement. FCPS decided to just go ahead and try to make it worse.

You forget that Coates and McNair - two very high FARMS schools - are being zoned out of Westfield.

And, they only had part of Floris. Some MC/UMC from Floris, but also multi family housing from Floris.

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Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

How does this help Centreville's overcrowding? That's adding in a lot more then you are subtracting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have a theory Crossfield as a collective wanted to go to Skyview at purchase, but the RIO faction became a thing when Michelle Reid proposed making Skyview an Aviation/AI/Robotics academy with it being close to Dulles and some data centers popping up near the school.

I would imagine RIO is mostly made up of middle class White and Northeast Asian parents who want their kids at Oakton, which may have less Hispanic, Black, and Middle Eastern Kids than Skyview.

This may not be about Athletics and Home Values, but Race, Socioeconomics, and possibly Religion.

You're just figuring this out?

No, but I definitely was giving it some deep, pensive thought though.

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Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

How does this help Centreville's overcrowding? That's adding in a lot more then you are subtracting.

Centreville is being renovated and expanded to hold 3000 students.

Those changes help justify the renovation.

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Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

How does this help Centreville's overcrowding? That's adding in a lot more then you are subtracting.

Centreville is being renovated and expanded to hold 3000 students.

Those changes help justify the renovation.

But then you’re emptying out Fairfax HS. As long as FCPS is operating Fairfax, you can’t justify a monster expansion of Centreville that leaves Fairfax far under capacity.

If FCPS is going to sever the relationship with the City of Fairfax, it’s a different situation, but that’s a big decision that won’t be made lightly.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

How does this help Centreville's overcrowding? That's adding in a lot more then you are subtracting.

Centreville is being renovated and expanded to hold 3000 students.

Those changes help justify the renovation.

The renovation has not been approved due to land use issues.

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And there is no possible way to financially justify building out CVHS to 3000 seats when Westfield has 800+ empty seats!

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Anonymous wrote:They should send the contiguous part of BRES to Westfield and NOT the Trinity Parkway island (that should be reassigned to Centre Ridge or Powell, if Powell switches the Korean Immersion Program over to another school).

The Fairfax island could be dissolved by sending Willow Springs (main portion and island) and Eagle View to Centreville and the Fairfax part of Greenbriar East to Chantilly, and remove the Union Mill Split feeder by moving the Robinson part to Centreville.

How does this help Centreville's overcrowding? That's adding in a lot more then you are subtracting.

Centreville is being renovated and expanded to hold 3000 students.

Those changes help justify the renovation.

They need to just renovate Centreville, there is no need for expansion. There are seats at Westfield. They can move students to Westfield. The idea that people get to throw a hissy fit about moving and get an expansion is ridiculous.

They should be moving Centerville students to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. Keep in mind that with the rezoning, Chantilly will no longer be closed to transfers. It will fill right back up with Westfield zoned students who suddenly have a hankering to learn Latin.

Yes, this person FCPS'es. For sure there will be a sudden uptick in interest in taking Latin.

You can no longer pupil place for languages, they changed that this year. You can pupil place for AP or IB or specialized programs. So Westfield kids are likely to really want aviation or STEM pathways.

I thought that was proposed but tabled?

Regardless, there are multiple other ways to get your kid into neighboring schools (legit and illegit).

People were posting about rising 9th graders wanting to pupil place for language and it not being available. We know people in Japanese Immersion who pupil place to SLHS and they had to select IB because Japanese was not an option this year. Kids who had already been pupil placed were allowed to remain but rising 9th graders did not have the option.

That tells me that someone knew Skyview would be Fox Mill and that immersion kids were opting in to Skyview.

No, they want to attend SLHS and pupil placed for IB out of Herndon. People used to pupil place for Japanese. But Fox Mill families have been active in moving to Skyview, a lot opted in to Skyview.

I think what's funny about this is that I don't think Skyview's demographics are going to be much different than South Lakes

It has nothing to do with demographics. Some people like IB, more people prefer AP, and most people don’t care. There are people who pupil place to SLHS for IB from Herndon, Westfield, Chantilly and other schools. Others pupil place out for AP.

FMES goes to Carson for MS and then to SLHS barely knowing anyone. Most people from FMES want to move with the other schools to Skyview. Skyview is closer. Skyview will have AP. Hughes doesn’t have space for FMES so you can’t move FMES to Hughes so they can move with the other students to SLHS.