DA vs ECNL vs everything else

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:CCL guy hijacks every forum.

I'll help take the wind out of his sails so we can move on.

He doesn't like ECNL or DA

He thinks you're an idiot for paying the cost

He thinks equal level of talent is contained in the Beltway area outside those leagues

He thinks FCV DA and Navy Premier are equal.

He thinks FC Fredrick will beat Mclean ECNL

He thinks we (the paying idiots) have ruined youth soccer.

AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO HE WILL NOT STOP. HE CAN NOT BE SWAYED OTHERWISE. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

He actually does have a point. Not about the overall level of play in the various leagues but the environment for youth sports including soccer is out of hand and exclusionary. This has been ackonwledged and discussed by us soccer for years.

Well, we all know that. We all agree to that. I too think the cost is out of control. I think the price of college is out of control. I think the price of a jack and coke is out of control. However, I'm not changing it.

Outside of that, I agree with nothing he says about soccer.

It takes a little while to realize truth of the situation as players travel down the path of youth soccer. These are useful discussions towards revealing what is reality and what is marketing BS so an informed decision can be made. let the buyer beware.

[Anonymous]

First, I'm not CCL Guy but you all are misrepresenting him. His point has been that "travel" soccer entails travel, and that no parent should bitch about having to drive however far to any away game because they should what teams are in their league when they commit to the team at the start of each year.
Second, to the guy who keeps pointing to "rankings" to tell us how many good teams there are and how few of them are in the DA and/or ECNL, when are you going to get a clue? How many times do you have to be told that DA, and to a lesser extent, ECNL teams, don't participate in the same tournaments and showcases that allow teams to rack up GotSoccer points? To take your latest example, you used the area’s Girls U17 teams; McLean is far and away the best team in that age group in the area, better than either FCV or Spirit VA. But your rankings say that Navy Premier is better than McLean. Well, head to head at Jeff Cup, McLean won 3-0. Or you point to Loudoun and Arlington (8th in the nation!) but both of them lost to BRYC (Arlington lost 2-0). We can do other age groups too but figure it out, GotSoccer rankings don't mean crap.
Lastly, to whoever said non-DA or ECNL clubs will save you several thousand dollars a year, you’re not being honest if you’re comparing apples to apples. Yes, if you’re on a non-competitive team, then you’ll pay less – think VYS, Stoddert or Alexandria. But there’s not that much difference for an Arlington or Loudoun A team. To use the U17 teams from those clubs again, Arlington has done CCL league, State Cup, WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup, National League (NC and Florida), and Eastern Regional League, with PDA still to come; and Loudoun has done a little less but still have Regionals and potentially Nationals to go, so you can’t tell me both those teams are $3-4 thousand cheaper per player than DA and ECNL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bipolar thoughts again.

If DA was free it would be good. But its not so it's trash.

Prior to DA everyone on that level payed ECNL prices for a lesser product.

Ecnl parents who switched to DA are not surprised by the sticker cost.

If Harvard is too expensive then send your child to NOVA community college. A degree is a degree. Right?

College is a useless money crab as well..is it not?

I can make 100 arguments either way. It's pointless.

Ikr? Harvard, gda.... same....creme de la creme. Why can't folks see that?

I actually question that theory based on DA tryouts I saw recently. Top DA teams need to have playoffs against top ECNL teams as well as top other teams. Then and only then will we really know the creme de la creme. Otherwise it is just loud mouths repeating the same junk over and over again hoping someone will listen.

Creme de la creme post was pure sarcasm. It is ridiculous to compare choosing a kid soccer team to choosing a college.

No, it actually isn't. Its all an investment. It requires a higher level of real world understanding.

Oh brother. It is very clear from this silly conversarion why we are where we are with your sports.

+1. Yes, a mess once you see parents priorities.

This forum is a disaster ever since CCL guy came back posing as someone else. It was so nice when he was away. I think he would be sad to learn that CCL has now become the Third Tier of B and C level soccer. All that wonderful driving he does now to have his kids to go play crappy teams. Arlington, Loudoun have joined Mclean and now dump their B teams into CCL to join the other already bad teams. Braddock was smart to bail. Bethesda even smarter to never join.

Get ready for CCL guy . . . 3, 2, 1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CCL guy hijacks every forum.

I'll help take the wind out of his sails so we can move on.

He doesn't like ECNL or DA

He thinks you're an idiot for paying the cost

He thinks equal level of talent is contained in the Beltway area outside those leagues

He thinks FCV DA and Navy Premier are equal.

He thinks FC Fredrick will beat Mclean ECNL

He thinks we (the paying idiots) have ruined youth soccer.

AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO HE WILL NOT STOP. HE CAN NOT BE SWAYED OTHERWISE. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

CCL guy is correct about overpaying for a diluted product . . . . Agree with PP thatv many B Team Benchwarmers not can pay to be elite. I would rather be paying the exact same amount of money for a true elite team of the best in the area. Maybe in a few years it will consolidate to that. Otherwise, CCL guy is whacked.

[Anonymous]

Name 1 area Elite team in the area that is not ECNL or DA. I will gladly find video of their play and post it side by side to a DA or ECNL club.

Pick one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard analogy makes sense as long as we agree that ECNL is Stanford and that there are stud students at state schools (non-DA/ECNL) that are better than either the Harvard or Stanford kid. The above has been my experience as a professional and as a soccer parent. Sure, if you can go to Harvard or Stanford, then do it. If you can't, UVA will get you to the same place if you are a stud.

I guess. But one of these life choices is a decision of great consequence and one is not. There seems to be some confusion about which is which. Yikes!

UVA is on the same level as Harvard and Stanford. Bad comparison. Shows the level of understanding

This is the type of inside-the-beltway stupidity that rules this place and why voters sent Trump to drain the swamp, including your mindset.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard analogy makes sense as long as we agree that ECNL is Stanford and that there are stud students at state schools (non-DA/ECNL) that are better than either the Harvard or Stanford kid. The above has been my experience as a professional and as a soccer parent. Sure, if you can go to Harvard or Stanford, then do it. If you can't, UVA will get you to the same place if you are a stud.

I guess. But one of these life choices is a decision of great consequence and one is not. There seems to be some confusion about which is which. Yikes!

UVA is on the same level as Harvard and Stanford. Bad comparison. Shows the level of understanding

This is the type of inside-the-beltway stupidity that rules this place and why voters sent Trump to drain the swamp, including your mindset.

Your comment doesn't t even match up with the previous comment. Seems a bit touched.

Lay out your declaration for all to see. We are all interested

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First, I'm not CCL Guy but you all are misrepresenting him. His point has been that "travel" soccer entails travel, and that no parent should bitch about having to drive however far to any away game because they should what teams are in their league when they commit to the team at the start of each year.
Second, to the guy who keeps pointing to "rankings" to tell us how many good teams there are and how few of them are in the DA and/or ECNL, when are you going to get a clue? How many times do you have to be told that DA, and to a lesser extent, ECNL teams, don't participate in the same tournaments and showcases that allow teams to rack up GotSoccer points? To take your latest example, you used the area’s Girls U17 teams; McLean is far and away the best team in that age group in the area, better than either FCV or Spirit VA. But your rankings say that Navy Premier is better than McLean. Well, head to head at Jeff Cup, McLean won 3-0. Or you point to Loudoun and Arlington (8th in the nation!) but both of them lost to BRYC (Arlington lost 2-0). We can do other age groups too but figure it out, GotSoccer rankings don't mean crap.
Lastly, to whoever said non-DA or ECNL clubs will save you several thousand dollars a year, you’re not being honest if you’re comparing apples to apples. Yes, if you’re on a non-competitive team, then you’ll pay less – think VYS, Stoddert or Alexandria. But there’s not that much difference for an Arlington or Loudoun A team. To use the U17 teams from those clubs again, Arlington has done CCL league, State Cup, WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup, National League (NC and Florida), and Eastern Regional League, with PDA still to come; and Loudoun has done a little less but still have Regionals and potentially Nationals to go, so you can’t tell me both those teams are $3-4 thousand cheaper per player than DA and ECNL.

Jackass, I am going off of my experience of having seen these teams play and knowing the coaches. ECNL and non-DA ECNL teams often play in the same tournaments whether Jefferson, Bethesda, Disney, WAGS, etc. The point, moron, is that non-DA/ECNL teams are competing against ECNL teams and some cases win and others tie or lose. So Navy had a bad weekend at an important tournament (a win, a draw and los). Ask the McLean coach what he thinks of any of the team's mentioned and he will tell you that any of those teams could beat his. In the same tournament, navy Premier tied and beat ECNL clubs. So if ECNL is that great than an ECNL team should destroy a non-ECNL team whenever the play. ECNL play in non-ECNL showcases because the coaches recognize that not all the best teams are in ENCL. WAKE THE HELL UP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CCL guy hijacks every forum.

I'll help take the wind out of his sails so we can move on.

He doesn't like ECNL or DA

He thinks you're an idiot for paying the cost

He thinks equal level of talent is contained in the Beltway area outside those leagues

He thinks FCV DA and Navy Premier are equal.

He thinks FC Fredrick will beat Mclean ECNL

He thinks we (the paying idiots) have ruined youth soccer.

AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO HE WILL NOT STOP. HE CAN NOT BE SWAYED OTHERWISE. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

CCL guy is correct about overpaying for a diluted product . . . . Agree with PP thatv many B Team Benchwarmers not can pay to be elite. I would rather be paying the exact same amount of money for a true elite team of the best in the area. Maybe in a few years it will consolidate to that. Otherwise, CCL guy is whacked.

+1

we are da/ecnl and would prefer to have fewer of these options in virginia so that more talent is concentrated. this is an easy concept to understand in our circle. for all we pay, it is eye opening at the id sessions to see the same group of girls. disappointing. if it were more selective, we would even pay a bit more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone attend recent local DA ID sessions?

no movement between clubs or zip codes at all. miniscule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:First, I'm not CCL Guy but you all are misrepresenting him. His point has been that "travel" soccer entails travel, and that no parent should bitch about having to drive however far to any away game because they should what teams are in their league when they commit to the team at the start of each year.
Second, to the guy who keeps pointing to "rankings" to tell us how many good teams there are and how few of them are in the DA and/or ECNL, when are you going to get a clue? How many times do you have to be told that DA, and to a lesser extent, ECNL teams, don't participate in the same tournaments and showcases that allow teams to rack up GotSoccer points? To take your latest example, you used the area’s Girls U17 teams; McLean is far and away the best team in that age group in the area, better than either FCV or Spirit VA. But your rankings say that Navy Premier is better than McLean. Well, head to head at Jeff Cup, McLean won 3-0. Or you point to Loudoun and Arlington (8th in the nation!) but both of them lost to BRYC (Arlington lost 2-0). We can do other age groups too but figure it out, GotSoccer rankings don't mean crap.
Lastly, to whoever said non-DA or ECNL clubs will save you several thousand dollars a year, you’re not being honest if you’re comparing apples to apples. Yes, if you’re on a non-competitive team, then you’ll pay less – think VYS, Stoddert or Alexandria. But there’s not that much difference for an Arlington or Loudoun A team. To use the U17 teams from those clubs again, Arlington has done CCL league, State Cup, WAGS, Bethesda, Jeff Cup, National League (NC and Florida), and Eastern Regional League, with PDA still to come; and Loudoun has done a little less but still have Regionals and potentially Nationals to go, so you can’t tell me both those teams are $3-4 thousand cheaper per player than DA and ECNL.

Jackass, I am going off of my experience of having seen these teams play and knowing the coaches. ECNL and non-DA ECNL teams often play in the same tournaments whether Jefferson, Bethesda, Disney, WAGS, etc. The point, moron, is that non-DA/ECNL teams are competing against ECNL teams and some cases win and others tie or lose. So Navy had a bad weekend at an important tournament (a win, a draw and los). Ask the McLean coach what he thinks of any of the team's mentioned and he will tell you that any of those teams could beat his. In the same tournament, navy Premier tied and beat ECNL clubs. So if ECNL is that great than an ECNL team should destroy a non-ECNL team whenever the play. ECNL play in non-ECNL showcases because the coaches recognize that not all the best teams are in ENCL. WAKE THE HELL UP!

exactly right. the same coaches will admit ecnl is no longer a magnet in mclean. too many other choices. will be worse going forward unfortunately. right now you will just be paying a lot of money for great players 1-5, decent 6-10, and average 11-20. looks like a challenge to even find an above average 11-20.

great if you love the wide net approach. not great if you hate the rising cost of girls.soccer. not great of you have a top talent and are trying to find the best destination.

everyone thinks they are so effing elite now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone attend recent local DA ID sessions?

no movement between clubs or zip codes at all. miniscule.

What's your base of knowledge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CCL guy hijacks every forum.

I'll help take the wind out of his sails so we can move on.

He doesn't like ECNL or DA

He thinks you're an idiot for paying the cost

He thinks equal level of talent is contained in the Beltway area outside those leagues

He thinks FCV DA and Navy Premier are equal.

He thinks FC Fredrick will beat Mclean ECNL

He thinks we (the paying idiots) have ruined youth soccer.

AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY OR DO HE WILL NOT STOP. HE CAN NOT BE SWAYED OTHERWISE. DO NOT FEED THE TROLL.

I am not "CCL Guy" but have made some of the above arguments more or less. My point is that there are talented players throughout the country who are not playing in ECNL and DA. I have pointed to any number of examples of teams that are not DA/ECNL yet are nationally ranked and placing kids at DI schools. Can non-DA/ECNL teams beat DA/ECNL teams? Yes, you are a moron if you believe otherwise. We all pay. My only point is that for those who can't pay the insane amount required to do ECNL/DA or who are outside of the club's region, there are great DA/ECNL options. Who is destroying soccer is morons with you mindset. If you are the parent of a girl who has a passion for soccer, this is a great are to pursue that passion because there are many platforms on which your DD can reach her goals, including non-DA/ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone attend recent local DA ID sessions?

no movement between clubs or zip codes at all. miniscule.

What's your base of knowledge?

for specifics, ask any parent you know who has been attending any at the virginia clubs. surely you must know someone with that level of player or you wouldn't be following this thread. no one will tell you different from what i just said or they'd be lying.

[Anonymous]

So you base of knowledge is nonexistent. Copy that