College Football--Big Ten Expansion

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford pressuring ACC. They want an answer this week or they move on to other options.

My guess --- and it is a guess -- not reports or other information --- is that the ACC makes the offer Thursday.

Stanford pretending they have options is cute

They do. Independent. Not a long term fix but buys them a couple/few years.

They could do an ND and go ind. for football and ACC for all other sports.

This would destroy Stanford's other sports. Too much mid-week long-distance travel.

Becoming an independent for a year may be the better option for Stanford. The ACC would require a long-term commitment for a short-term relationship due to the extensive travel demands.

I get it but Stanford is already all in on this.

They would have a tough time putting together a football schedule let alone a schedule for non-revenue sports

Football schedule would be easy easy. I agree on the others.

Also for every sport except football, basketball, women's soccer, and women's LAX, Stanford would be the run away favorite.

I agree football would not be that bad. Not all the way across the country:

1. Cal

2. ND

3. SMU

Add in a couple of local games BYU, Fresno, or SD State.

Then say home for:

NC State
BC
Syracuse
GTech

Away

Clemson
NC
Miami

That is only 10 games; colleges play 12 games in the regular season. But, as an independent Stanford could play just a 10 game schedule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The UCLA home games will probably look like many of the Maryland ones in the B1G. Decent attendance because almost half the fans are cheering for the visitors!

B1G fans will travel to LA for the games.

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Anonymous wrote:A noteworthy observation:

So far, the Big Ten has not penetrated the South.

They don't want, or need to. They are generally higher quality academic institutions, and student-athletes who want a better academic experience, value.

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Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

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Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

They need somewhere to play. I don't think the ACC makes sense or would even want them, but they need a large conference if they want to stay at the levels they currently compete at and there is no obvious landing spot

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford pressuring ACC. They want an answer this week or they move on to other options.

My guess --- and it is a guess -- not reports or other information --- is that the ACC makes the offer Thursday.

Stanford pretending they have options is cute

They do. Independent. Not a long term fix but buys them a couple/few years.

They could do an ND and go ind. for football and ACC for all other sports.

Why would the ACC agree to that? That's all the downside of a west coast member without their market for football

Because it gets them in the door. Same reason they did it for ND. Increases the chance that they come in for football.

Stanford is not ND. They are probably looking at the MWC (assuming the MCW even wants them) or the AAC

They cannot go to either because there is no competition for them there for most sports. Stanford would own the ACC for most Olympic sports never mind those conferences.

That's not the ACC's problem, it's Stanford's. I think a year or two of recruiting with a cross country travel schedule will kill recruiting for their non-revenue sports no matter what conference they land in

Are you kidding me? DC is a recruited athlete who would give left nut to play for Stanford. DC could care less about the travel -- all about getting into Stanford. The kids who play at Stanford are using it as a slight advantage to go to Stanford. If they had to fly to Germany every week in the season they would do it.

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Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

Why? Do you really think the president of UVA relishes his lacrosses teams having to travel to California? It's a massive added expense across all of the non-revenue sports

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Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

Why? Do you really think the president of UVA relishes his lacrosses teams having to travel to California? It's a massive added expense across all of the non-revenue sports

Stanford and Cal don’t have lacrosse teams. I could be wrong but I believe that Denver is the only D1 team west of the the Mississippi

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Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

Why? Do you really think the president of UVA relishes his lacrosses teams having to travel to California? It's a massive added expense across all of the non-revenue sports

Stanford and Cal don’t have lacrosse teams. I could be wrong but I believe that Denver is the only D1 team west of the the Mississippi

Someone needs to tell the Stanford lacrosse team that they don't exist https://gostanford.com/sports/womens-lacrosse

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford pressuring ACC. They want an answer this week or they move on to other options.

My guess --- and it is a guess -- not reports or other information --- is that the ACC makes the offer Thursday.

Stanford pretending they have options is cute

They do. Independent. Not a long term fix but buys them a couple/few years.

They could do an ND and go ind. for football and ACC for all other sports.

Why would the ACC agree to that? That's all the downside of a west coast member without their market for football

Because it gets them in the door. Same reason they did it for ND. Increases the chance that they come in for football.

Stanford is not ND. They are probably looking at the MWC (assuming the MCW even wants them) or the AAC

They cannot go to either because there is no competition for them there for most sports. Stanford would own the ACC for most Olympic sports never mind those conferences.

That's not the ACC's problem, it's Stanford's. I think a year or two of recruiting with a cross country travel schedule will kill recruiting for their non-revenue sports no matter what conference they land in

Are you kidding me? DC is a recruited athlete who would give left nut to play for Stanford. DC could care less about the travel -- all about getting into Stanford. The kids who play at Stanford are using it as a slight advantage to go to Stanford. If they had to fly to Germany every week in the season they would do it.

Part of their prowess is being a great private academic school with P5 sports. Duke, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern are really the only others in that category. If they do independent, or drop to a G5 conference then half of that equation disappears.

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Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

Why? Do you really think the president of UVA relishes his lacrosses teams having to travel to California? It's a massive added expense across all of the non-revenue sports

Stanford and Cal don’t have lacrosse teams. I could be wrong but I believe that Denver is the only D1 team west of the the Mississippi

Someone needs to tell the Stanford lacrosse team that they don't exist https://gostanford.com/sports/womens-lacrosse

My fault but they don’t have men’s teams

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Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

They need somewhere to play. I don't think the ACC makes sense or would even want them, but they need a large conference if they want to stay at the levels they currently compete at and there is no obvious landing spot

If Stanford joins the ACC, it may need to strip away the non-revenue sports and let them find opponents closer to home. Mid-week travel would destroy the academic journey of athletes who have to travel cross-country frequently.

Without an offer from the Big Ten Conference, Stanford's culture will suffer. Sports will have to be cut--as Stanford tried to do recently.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford pressuring ACC. They want an answer this week or they move on to other options.

My guess --- and it is a guess -- not reports or other information --- is that the ACC makes the offer Thursday.

Stanford pretending they have options is cute

They do. Independent. Not a long term fix but buys them a couple/few years.

They could do an ND and go ind. for football and ACC for all other sports.

Why would the ACC agree to that? That's all the downside of a west coast member without their market for football

Because it gets them in the door. Same reason they did it for ND. Increases the chance that they come in for football.

Stanford is not ND. They are probably looking at the MWC (assuming the MCW even wants them) or the AAC

They cannot go to either because there is no competition for them there for most sports. Stanford would own the ACC for most Olympic sports never mind those conferences.

That's not the ACC's problem, it's Stanford's. I think a year or two of recruiting with a cross country travel schedule will kill recruiting for their non-revenue sports no matter what conference they land in

Are you kidding me? DC is a recruited athlete who would give left nut to play for Stanford. DC could care less about the travel -- all about getting into Stanford. The kids who play at Stanford are using it as a slight advantage to go to Stanford. If they had to fly to Germany every week in the season they would do it.

Sure, but the most sought-after football recruits want to be in the best leagues and want national exposure. This means SEC or Big Ten for football.

Are you willing to share the specific sport ?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(OP here)

Very low chance that Stanford would join the ACC for any sport other than football.

Of all the outcomes --- this is the one that can't happen. It's all or none or no football but all others. The school presidents want stanford ---- they want them for all the non-football sports.

Why? Do you really think the president of UVA relishes his lacrosses teams having to travel to California? It's a massive added expense across all of the non-revenue sports

Stanford and Cal don’t have lacrosse teams. I could be wrong but I believe that Denver is the only D1 team west of the the Mississippi

Stanford and Cal have women's lacrosse teams. So does USC, ASU and several others west of the Mississippi.

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Anonymous wrote:Stanford pressuring ACC. They want an answer this week or they move on to other options.

My guess --- and it is a guess -- not reports or other information --- is that the ACC makes the offer Thursday.

Stanford pretending they have options is cute

They do. Independent. Not a long term fix but buys them a couple/few years.

They could do an ND and go ind. for football and ACC for all other sports.

Why would the ACC agree to that? That's all the downside of a west coast member without their market for football

Because it gets them in the door. Same reason they did it for ND. Increases the chance that they come in for football.

Stanford is not ND. They are probably looking at the MWC (assuming the MCW even wants them) or the AAC

They cannot go to either because there is no competition for them there for most sports. Stanford would own the ACC for most Olympic sports never mind those conferences.

That's not the ACC's problem, it's Stanford's. I think a year or two of recruiting with a cross country travel schedule will kill recruiting for their non-revenue sports no matter what conference they land in

Are you kidding me? DC is a recruited athlete who would give left nut to play for Stanford. DC could care less about the travel -- all about getting into Stanford. The kids who play at Stanford are using it as a slight advantage to go to Stanford. If they had to fly to Germany every week in the season they would do it.

Part of their prowess is being a great private academic school with P5 sports. Duke, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern are really the only others in that category. If they do independent, or drop to a G5 conference then half of that equation disappears.

Agree.

In my view, Stanford & Duke were fairly similar options on opposite coasts. Northwestern next for the recruited athlete who desired an elite education at a Power 5 conference school. Then Michigan, then Vanderbilt, then Virginia, UNC, Texas, Notre Dame, USC, UCal-Berkeley, Wisconsin, Wake Forest, Boston College. Rice is not in a Power 5 conference.

A simple glance at US News College rankings shows how much a recruited athlete could benefit from earning a Stanford degree and even better if a substantial scholarship was awarded.

Now, top D-1 athletes who craved a degree from an elite institution may have to consider schools other than Stanford. May even have to step-down to the Ivy League if Duke or Northwestern or Vanderbilt are not options.