ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If anyone doesnt think club soccer is completely broken with crazy Karens running the show this should provide instant proof.


100%! It is insane. All the crazies, that everyone knows are crazy, and nobody likes, still somehow get the clubs to give in.

The coaches pawn it off as “not my problem next year.” But the club administrators all think it’s temporary and that the crazy Karen will change clubs because they seem so unhappy. But in reality, Karen is totally happy, Karen has just been trained to act that way to get what she wants!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The lack of communication from GA and MLSN gives off staying BY vibes


For real. What’s to announce? 🤣
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Anonymous wrote:Most MLSN/GA/ECNL clubs all play within their own conference. Rarely playing outside tournaments. With all the new 2nd leagues being added it will be the same. MLSN/MLSN2 will just play amongst themselves. They also allow biobanding which they could do for tournaments outside their own league.


On one of the ECNL podcast they had their technical director on, who is from the UK(9/1 cutoff) and he said with the premier league teams they will have a pretty much even split between older and younger kids, so international game play isn't really an issue because they have plenty of reserves. It promotes a culture of playing "up", but they never had to deal with registration changes as far as I know, so there isn't a stigma attached to Q4 kids.


To be fair…ECNL podcast is not an honest narrator. They didn’t bring someone on from Spanish, German, French or Italian academies…and for a reason…their perspective is not aligned with ECNL’s.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:• U.S. Soccer will build resources and tools to support members.

There will be webinars, training, and feedback forums for members and leagues to support their decision-making and participants with navigating a change.
U.S. Soccer will maintain a website that hosts the considerations, best practices, and tracks the decisions member organizations / leagues make over time.


The support is going to be based around coach education for RAE. The older u14+ Oct-Dec kids will be left off teams otherwise.
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Anonymous wrote:Most MLSN/GA/ECNL clubs all play within their own conference. Rarely playing outside tournaments. With all the new 2nd leagues being added it will be the same. MLSN/MLSN2 will just play amongst themselves. They also allow biobanding which they could do for tournaments outside their own league.


On one of the ECNL podcast they had their technical director on, who is from the UK(9/1 cutoff) and he said with the premier league teams they will have a pretty much even split between older and younger kids, so international game play isn't really an issue because they have plenty of reserves. It promotes a culture of playing "up", but they never had to deal with registration changes as far as I know, so there isn't a stigma attached to Q4 kids.


To be fair…ECNL podcast is not an honest narrator. They didn’t bring someone on from Spanish, German, French or Italian academies…and for a reason…their perspective is not aligned with ECNL’s.


Our national teams are run by and Englishman, like or not it’s here to stay
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Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.



Feel sad for the BY parents that are all holding out hope that their kid will shine in MLS academy and not realize that this means more U-littles will stay in the sport which will lead to a more even distribution of birth months in those MLS academies

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.



Feel sad for the BY parents that are all holding out hope that their kid will shine in MLS academy and not realize that this means more U-littles will stay in the sport which will lead to a more even distribution of birth months in those MLS academies



While you like to chide them, it doesn't really matter for these parents, especially if their kids area already playing 11v11, where any built-in RAE advantage is already baked in. This shift basically will have a much greater affect on the younger age groups and anyone not playing yet.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.


Dec. can do biobanding in MLS, your dumbass.
Anonymous
Find the local club that biobands over the max in the rules. Hint: it's more than one club.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.



Feel sad for the BY parents that are all holding out hope that their kid will shine in MLS academy and not realize that this means more U-littles will stay in the sport which will lead to a more even distribution of birth months in those MLS academies




Problem is if mls next stays by. Q4 sy kids are going to have to skip a year when trying out. U12 to u14
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss


ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.


ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.



Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…


They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.


Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.


How so?


Because MLS academies are the best, December birthdays will always be the youngest in their BY system, and therefore have the biggest disadvantage.


Dec. can do biobanding in MLS, your dumbass.


If MLS can do biobanding, why can’t ECNL do biobanding?
Anonymous
We have multiples that were born two months early in August. We sent them to school based on their adjusted age which was supported by our pediatrician and other medical professionals. There are studies that recommend using adjusted age to determine kindergarten readiness, especially for early premies, like ours.

We were doing speech therapy well into their fives so they absolutely weren’t caught up by age 2.

I’m sharing our story because there are all sorts of reasons why August kids start late. These decisions are made based on the best interest of the kids, most of which have nothing to do with obtaining an advantage at sports.

We aren’t chasing college scholarships. I would love for our kids to play with their classmates, but we can deal with continuing to play with older kids. I think they have benefited from playing with older kids.

What I can’t accept is that they might not be able to play at all their senior year. Do better US soccer. Let these kids plays.
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My prediction is that we’ll see an aggressive playing down / bio banding / transition year rule out in place across ECNL in 25/26, where 8-10 BY (e.g., 2012) roster spots can be occupied by Sept. 1 - Dec. 31 kids from BY-1 (e.g., 2011). Pre-ECNL teams will play up a year, allowing for a full transition to SY immediately, and all ECNL-only competitions will be structured as grad year in 25/26 (subject to roster limits above).
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Anonymous wrote:Without arguing about the cutoff month, the fact is this will completely change the team organization and makeup at every club. Will they all follow this rule for next year? If so, they will need to completely redo all of their teams and coaches by next month's April tryouts.


Don't forget they said it's for 26/27!


I believe ECNL will have a transition plan for 25/26 season.



2 steps ...

step 1, ask coach to recruit good sept/Q4 players between now and then, not necessarily needing them to join the club this season

step 2, ask coach to tell parents of other birth months not to worry/not much will change/it doesn't affect you.


Step 1 is stupid. Coaches are going to take the best kids to fill the roster spots.

They don’t take a kid that isn’t as skilled but has a birthday that they like. They don’t do that with Jan babies in BY and they won’t do it with October babies in SY.

Roster spots are limited. You don’t waste them based on birthdate.

The issue with RAE isn’t birthdate based, it’s development based. Not sure why you people don’t get that.


A skillful December 2010 kid playing ECNL RL has a great chance to be placed on an ECNL team after the new birth date changes have been put in place.

My son is a skillful late December 2010 ECNL RL player whose school team played a friendly against a 2011 ECNL team recently. He would be clearly the top midfielder on this 2011 ECNL that his school team played. His school team coach is also the coach of this 2011 ECNL team and he told me my son would walk into the starting lineup on this 2011 team.

Those of you that don’t think it will make a difference are kidding yourselves. All of the Q4 players that are still playing competitively at a high level at 13, 14, and 15 years will have a huge advantage with this change.


You’re being biased and idiotic. A skillful kid regardless of birth month has a chance to make an ECNL team. You’re mistakenly substituting birth month for skill accumulation, maturation and athletic development and then applying that to an assumed static pool of alternatives. It’s not only bad logic, but it fundamentally misunderstands RAE and age cutoffs.
With coaches wanting to win at all costs and leaning towards bigger, faster, stronger kids and teams therefore leaning towards older kids in an age bracket, it is shocking that it is not 100% excepted that on average older kids are more likely to get picked for top teams.

If someone doesn't realize that older teams on average would beat younger teams pretty consistently is just lost. Unless some someone wants to have there head in the sand.

Changing the age cutoff doesn't change RAE in the aggregate but it changes the impact for "each" kid. Someone thinking that youth soccer is merely played for the U.S. to find that unicorn diamond in the rough to get bumped up to national teams is smoking something. Ie, individual incentives in a billion dollar industry outweighs a random soccer win against a country most people couldn't find on a map.


Another Google AI RAE expert….

RAE is more than birth month and size.
Another euro weenie that can't read....
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