ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

US Soccer just cares about 26/27 when World Cup comes & kids can sign up for soccer with their classmates. They could care less about anything till then it seems... #lameduckyear

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

I would think all are changing except MLSN all other will be SY

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yes I'm fully aware of that. I said they haven't said anything specifically, because those details matter (like how 2 trapped players can play down currently). That will get us to 1000

[Anonymous]

Are MLS Academies different from MLS Next? Or do they play local clubs too?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without arguing about the cutoff month, the fact is this will completely change the team organization and makeup at every club. Will they all follow this rule for next year? If so, they will need to completely redo all of their teams and coaches by next month's April tryouts.

Don't forget they said it's for 26/27!

I believe ECNL will have a transition plan for 25/26 season.

2 steps ...

step 1, ask coach to recruit good sept/Q4 players between now and then, not necessarily needing them to join the club this season

step 2, ask coach to tell parents of other birth months not to worry/not much will change/it doesn't affect you.

Step 1 is stupid. Coaches are going to take the best kids to fill the roster spots.

They don’t take a kid that isn’t as skilled but has a birthday that they like. They don’t do that with Jan babies in BY and they won’t do it with October babies in SY.

Roster spots are limited. You don’t waste them based on birthdate.

The issue with RAE isn’t birthdate based, it’s development based. Not sure why you people don’t get that.

A skillful December 2010 kid playing ECNL RL has a great chance to be placed on an ECNL team after the new birth date changes have been put in place.

My son is a skillful late December 2010 ECNL RL player whose school team played a friendly against a 2011 ECNL team recently. He would be clearly the top midfielder on this 2011 ECNL that his school team played. His school team coach is also the coach of this 2011 ECNL team and he told me my son would walk into the starting lineup on this 2011 team.

Those of you that don’t think it will make a difference are kidding yourselves. All of the Q4 players that are still playing competitively at a high level at 13, 14, and 15 years will have a huge advantage with this change.

You’re being biased and idiotic. A skillful kid regardless of birth month has a chance to make an ECNL team. You’re mistakenly substituting birth month for skill accumulation, maturation and athletic development and then applying that to an assumed static pool of alternatives. It’s not only bad logic, but it fundamentally misunderstands RAE and age cutoffs.

Insults will always make your argument weaker.

I am fully aware of RAE. The fact that on average ECNL teams have a disproportionately low number of Q4 players means there is a bias for older (and more developed) players that are born in Q1. Now, the bias will be in favor of those born in September - Q4. On average, kids born earlier will be bigger, faster, and stronger, but of course there will always be early developers, average developers, and late developers. The late year kids will now, on average, be bigger, faster, and stronger.

The RAE will not disappear with this change.

When do you think RAE was the factor in team selection?

Spoiler, it isn’t for ECNL!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Without arguing about the cutoff month, the fact is this will completely change the team organization and makeup at every club. Will they all follow this rule for next year? If so, they will need to completely redo all of their teams and coaches by next month's April tryouts.

Don't forget they said it's for 26/27!

I believe ECNL will have a transition plan for 25/26 season.

2 steps ...

step 1, ask coach to recruit good sept/Q4 players between now and then, not necessarily needing them to join the club this season

step 2, ask coach to tell parents of other birth months not to worry/not much will change/it doesn't affect you.

Step 1 is stupid. Coaches are going to take the best kids to fill the roster spots.

They don’t take a kid that isn’t as skilled but has a birthday that they like. They don’t do that with Jan babies in BY and they won’t do it with October babies in SY.

Roster spots are limited. You don’t waste them based on birthdate.

The issue with RAE isn’t birthdate based, it’s development based. Not sure why you people don’t get that.

A skillful December 2010 kid playing ECNL RL has a great chance to be placed on an ECNL team after the new birth date changes have been put in place.

My son is a skillful late December 2010 ECNL RL player whose school team played a friendly against a 2011 ECNL team recently. He would be clearly the top midfielder on this 2011 ECNL that his school team played. His school team coach is also the coach of this 2011 ECNL team and he told me my son would walk into the starting lineup on this 2011 team.

Those of you that don’t think it will make a difference are kidding yourselves. All of the Q4 players that are still playing competitively at a high level at 13, 14, and 15 years will have a huge advantage with this change.

You’re being biased and idiotic. A skillful kid regardless of birth month has a chance to make an ECNL team. You’re mistakenly substituting birth month for skill accumulation, maturation and athletic development and then applying that to an assumed static pool of alternatives. It’s not only bad logic, but it fundamentally misunderstands RAE and age cutoffs.

With coaches wanting to win at all costs and leaning towards bigger, faster, stronger kids and teams therefore leaning towards older kids in an age bracket, it is shocking that it is not 100% excepted that on average older kids are more likely to get picked for top teams.

If someone doesn't realize that older teams on average would beat younger teams pretty consistently is just lost. Unless some someone wants to have there head in the sand.

Changing the age cutoff doesn't change RAE in the aggregate but it changes the impact for "each" kid. Someone thinking that youth soccer is merely played for the U.S. to find that unicorn diamond in the rough to get bumped up to national teams is smoking something. Ie, individual incentives in a billion dollar industry outweighs a random soccer win against a country most people couldn't find on a map.

Another Google AI RAE expert….

RAE is more than birth month and size.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t ODP under USYS & ID2 under USCS? So won’t those go BY as well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

I’m the op of this thread. I’d love to see it get to 1,000. I’ve been on here since 2011 and feel this is my contribution to the J. Steele profit line.

Also a proud mom of an August kid who is very happy her ecnl’er will play with her grade even though she will be the youngest. Too bad it didn’t get fixed in time for my older November trapped player.

[Anonymous]

💯💯💯

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.

How so?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to catch everyone up

US club/USYS, AYSO is going SY in 26/27 (9/1-8/31).

We have not received direction from US soccer

GA/MLSN, etc has not said anything

Do you still think we can get to 1000 pages? What else is there to discuss

ECNL hasn't said anything specifically and when they do, 1000 is imminent.

ECNL is under US Club Soccer...so they are changing. MLS and GA are separate.

Yeah…seems like everyone is changing…

They are, August parents will have to look to another savior.

Major League Soccer Academies are supposed to be the gold standard for youth soccer in the U.S. The August bdays are fine. December bdays, not as much.

For 25/26, enjoy it while it lasts