Time To Reimagine Council Recall Procedures?

[Anonymous]

Apparently under DC law we cannot recall a councilmember for at least 365 days after an election or 365 days before an election. This is way out of line with the probationary period of everyone in the private sector. Is it time to reimagine this process and make it more equitable? I think the folks of Ward 3 and Capitol Hill have seen enough.

https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/1-1001.17

[Anonymous]

What’s wrong with Ward 3 and Frumin?

You’re nuts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with Ward 3 and Frumin?

You’re nuts

I don’t think it is Frumin PP is referring to. It’s probably Goulet.

[Anonymous]

OP specifically refers to Ward 3 voters, implying there is some issue with Frumin.

Hint, there isn't Eric, he is doing fine and will be in this job for 8 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s wrong with Ward 3 and Frumin?

You’re nuts

I don’t think it is Frumin PP is referring to. It’s probably Goulet.

Goulet's not Council, he's school board.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP specifically refers to Ward 3 voters, implying there is some issue with Frumin.

Hint, there isn't Eric, he is doing fine and will be in this job for 8 years.

Why specifically 8? Is that what he said? Or are you just making it up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Apparently under DC law we cannot recall a councilmember for at least 365 days after an election or 365 days before an election. This is way out of line with the probationary period of everyone in the private sector. Is it time to reimagine this process and make it more equitable? I think the folks of Ward 3 and Capitol Hill have seen enough.

https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/1-1001.17

Recalls work better in theory than practice. In DC there probably aren't many things that would get a Council Member successfully recalled without them going to jail first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apparently under DC law we cannot recall a councilmember for at least 365 days after an election or 365 days before an election. This is way out of line with the probationary period of everyone in the private sector. Is it time to reimagine this process and make it more equitable? I think the folks of Ward 3 and Capitol Hill have seen enough.

https://code.dccouncil.gov/us/dc/council/code/sections/1-1001.17

Recalls work better in theory than practice. In DC there probably aren't many things that would get a Council Member successfully recalled without them going to jail first.

For example, Jack Evans was on the Council from 1991 to 2020.

[Anonymous]

Let’s do Ward 1 too.

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/adams-morgan-businesses-residents-share-frustration-over-rise-in-vandalism-robberies

[Anonymous]

There's good reason not to have recalls within the first year after an election — it prevents just redoing the election immediately after it's over. (Imagine, for instance, that there was a provision for recalls of federal elected officials in place after the 2020 election, and you can see why this is a good policy in the abstract.)

Also, there's no particular reason that HR policies should be exactly equivalent between private corporations and elected official positions.

That's all without even getting into the substance of whatever your specific gripe with Frumin is; it's been about a month since he was sworn in, so it seems hard to imagine that any large number of voters in Ward 3 have "seen enough" to want to reverse the results of the election. It may feel like it's been longer, because he effectively won office when he won the Democratic primary last summer, but that isn't the case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's good reason not to have recalls within the first year after an election — it prevents just redoing the election immediately after it's over. (Imagine, for instance, that there was a provision for recalls of federal elected officials in place after the 2020 election, and you can see why this is a good policy in the abstract.)

Also, there's no particular reason that HR policies should be exactly equivalent between private corporations and elected official positions.

That's all without even getting into the substance of whatever your specific gripe with Frumin is; it's been about a month since he was sworn in, so it seems hard to imagine that any large number of voters in Ward 3 have "seen enough" to want to reverse the results of the election. It may feel like it's been longer, because he effectively won office when he won the Democratic primary last summer, but that isn't the case.

Normally, I think most people would agree with you. But, this is about public safety. We can’t wait another year for Frumin and Allen to evolve on this issue. It took Mary Cheh personally becoming a victim to get her to pay attention. Lives and our economy are literally in the balance. We need action NOW!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's good reason not to have recalls within the first year after an election — it prevents just redoing the election immediately after it's over. (Imagine, for instance, that there was a provision for recalls of federal elected officials in place after the 2020 election, and you can see why this is a good policy in the abstract.)

Also, there's no particular reason that HR policies should be exactly equivalent between private corporations and elected official positions.

That's all without even getting into the substance of whatever your specific gripe with Frumin is; it's been about a month since he was sworn in, so it seems hard to imagine that any large number of voters in Ward 3 have "seen enough" to want to reverse the results of the election. It may feel like it's been longer, because he effectively won office when he won the Democratic primary last summer, but that isn't the case.

Normally, I think most people would agree with you. But, this is about public safety. We can’t wait another year for Frumin and Allen to evolve on this issue. It took Mary Cheh personally becoming a victim to get her to pay attention. Lives and our economy are literally in the balance. We need action NOW!

Who's "we"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP specifically refers to Ward 3 voters, implying there is some issue with Frumin.

Hint, there isn't Eric, he is doing fine and will be in this job for 8 years.

Why specifically 8? Is that what he said? Or are you just making it up?

two terms = 8 years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's good reason not to have recalls within the first year after an election — it prevents just redoing the election immediately after it's over. (Imagine, for instance, that there was a provision for recalls of federal elected officials in place after the 2020 election, and you can see why this is a good policy in the abstract.)

Also, there's no particular reason that HR policies should be exactly equivalent between private corporations and elected official positions.

That's all without even getting into the substance of whatever your specific gripe with Frumin is; it's been about a month since he was sworn in, so it seems hard to imagine that any large number of voters in Ward 3 have "seen enough" to want to reverse the results of the election. It may feel like it's been longer, because he effectively won office when he won the Democratic primary last summer, but that isn't the case.

Normally, I think most people would agree with you. But, this is about public safety. We can’t wait another year for Frumin and Allen to evolve on this issue. It took Mary Cheh personally becoming a victim to get her to pay attention. Lives and our economy are literally in the balance. We need action NOW!

Ah, its lumping Frumin in with Allen.

Allen is a progressive.
Frumin is a liberal.

They are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's good reason not to have recalls within the first year after an election — it prevents just redoing the election immediately after it's over. (Imagine, for instance, that there was a provision for recalls of federal elected officials in place after the 2020 election, and you can see why this is a good policy in the abstract.)

Also, there's no particular reason that HR policies should be exactly equivalent between private corporations and elected official positions.

That's all without even getting into the substance of whatever your specific gripe with Frumin is; it's been about a month since he was sworn in, so it seems hard to imagine that any large number of voters in Ward 3 have "seen enough" to want to reverse the results of the election. It may feel like it's been longer, because he effectively won office when he won the Democratic primary last summer, but that isn't the case.

Normally, I think most people would agree with you. But, this is about public safety. We can’t wait another year for Frumin and Allen to evolve on this issue. It took Mary Cheh personally becoming a victim to get her to pay attention. Lives and our economy are literally in the balance. We need action NOW!

Who's "we"?

Eric Goulet and his conservative supporters.