Biden wants RTO

[Anonymous]

What agencies does this actually apply to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is decaying because the police can't recruit enough officers because they have been demonized; criminals don't suffer serious consequences and therefore repeat offenders are terrorizing the city; and homeless, drug-addicted people are everywhere and are highly aggressive.

Acting as though making people work in office buildings will fix these problems is stupid.

WashPost has been trying to connect these two things across multiple articles. It’s irritating. The latest was about the rising homicide rate in DC, and there was an entire paragraph about how people aren’t working in offices as much, so downtown is essentially “lawless.” But that’s not where homicides are happening; no one is getting shot at Wednesday lunchtime in front of the Reagan building because a bunch of feds aren’t around to stop it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What agencies does this actually apply to?

This meaning RTO? Applies to all agencies

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is decaying because the police can't recruit enough officers because they have been demonized; criminals don't suffer serious consequences and therefore repeat offenders are terrorizing the city; and homeless, drug-addicted people are everywhere and are highly aggressive.

Acting as though making people work in office buildings will fix these problems is stupid.

WashPost has been trying to connect these two things across multiple articles. It’s irritating. The latest was about the rising homicide rate in DC, and there was an entire paragraph about how people aren’t working in offices as much, so downtown is essentially “lawless.” But that’s not where homicides are happening; no one is getting shot at Wednesday lunchtime in front of the Reagan building because a bunch of feds aren’t around to stop it.

If WaPo reporters rabidly cheering on the “RTO” haven’t RTO’d themselves (which they haven’t), these people don’t matter at all.

[Anonymous]

Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is decaying because the police can't recruit enough officers because they have been demonized; criminals don't suffer serious consequences and therefore repeat offenders are terrorizing the city; and homeless, drug-addicted people are everywhere and are highly aggressive.

Acting as though making people work in office buildings will fix these problems is stupid.

WashPost has been trying to connect these two things across multiple articles. It’s irritating. The latest was about the rising homicide rate in DC, and there was an entire paragraph about how people aren’t working in offices as much, so downtown is essentially “lawless.” But that’s not where homicides are happening; no one is getting shot at Wednesday lunchtime in front of the Reagan building because a bunch of feds aren’t around to stop it.

If WaPo reporters rabidly cheering on the “RTO” haven’t RTO’d themselves (which they haven’t), these people don’t matter at all.

Looks like they have. They ran an article in the post about food trucks because they are cranky there is nowhere to eat lunch. If we all go back to work, then there will be food trucks again and they can eat lunch again. Nothing to do with productivity...they just want overpriced fusion tacos back on the menu.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

It’s coming for your agency soon. Mine just got RTO orders this week. Only for management right now, but everyone expects it to trickle down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DC is decaying because the police can't recruit enough officers because they have been demonized; criminals don't suffer serious consequences and therefore repeat offenders are terrorizing the city; and homeless, drug-addicted people are everywhere and are highly aggressive.

Acting as though making people work in office buildings will fix these problems is stupid.

WashPost has been trying to connect these two things across multiple articles. It’s irritating. The latest was about the rising homicide rate in DC, and there was an entire paragraph about how people aren’t working in offices as much, so downtown is essentially “lawless.” But that’s not where homicides are happening; no one is getting shot at Wednesday lunchtime in front of the Reagan building because a bunch of feds aren’t around to stop it.

If WaPo reporters rabidly cheering on the “RTO” haven’t RTO’d themselves (which they haven’t), these people don’t matter at all.

Looks like they have. They ran an article in the post about food trucks because they are cranky there is nowhere to eat lunch. If we all go back to work, then there will be food trucks again and they can eat lunch again. Nothing to do with productivity...they just want overpriced fusion tacos back on the menu.

I read that article and all the food trucks are making bank in the suburbs without paying for the DC license. Other than the headline, nothing made it sound like they would return to DC with or without RTO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

Crickets on my office. We are 100% at home. They will first have to find a lease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

We got RTO order last week starting in October.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

We got RTO order last week starting in October.

Are you fully remote now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

It’s coming for your agency soon. Mine just got RTO orders this week. Only for management right now, but everyone expects it to trickle down.

We may be at the same agency. I was pretty surprised considering we closed down 2 of our office buildings. How are they going to fit us all in one consolidated, smaller building? Really hoping our union negotiates something favorable for us. This recent update has me glad not to be in management.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any significant word on RTO yet? Our agency is still analyzing the memo.

We got RTO order last week starting in October.

Are you fully remote now?

100% telework

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s amazing we won WWII with govt workers. If it was fought today we would lose as Lara And Todd would be remote and miss the battle

If the reason to go in were winning WWII, most feds would go in.

For a high proportion of fed jobs, including many represented here, here is no reason, and some active anti-reasons that have nothing to do with employee preference and everything to do with how meaningful work is done in 2023. My team is in four time zones. What does me physically reporting to an office to Teams with them have to do with winning anything?

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Anonymous wrote:Typically government agencies DO engage in some kind of policy analysis before changing things with regard to personnel. Because they have to make budget justifications to Congress. Anyway, looks like this fall is going to be interesting.

What you so ignorantly find “interesting” is cause for grave anxiety for the rest of us.

If the mere thought of showing up in person for your job causes you "grave anxiety" you are probably not very good at your job.

Hi, not the poster you’re replying to, and I’m not paralyzed with anxiety over this, but I will say—you’re a jerk. People have their reasons. Some of which include real financial stress. The government is probably going to shut down this fall. People are worried about that, about coming back to the office when they have already made childcare arrangements and schedules for the year, and about the next election cycle which isn’t fun for feds. Just leave them alone. I know many many wonderful people in government who work hard at a discount for zero thanks.

I'm the person you quoted and called a jerk -- and I'm also a fed who has worked hard, in person, throughout the pandemic (including the last shutdown) and dealt with all the same uncertainties. It's life. I've had to come in, and be flexible, and work extra long days during the lapse without pay, and I'm sick and tired of listening to other feds whine.

Either your theory of the case is that "the job" at least partly consists of building relationships in face-to-face environments and that is why everyone needs to come in, or your theory of the case is that other feds are so annoying that they should get out of your face with their terrible thoughts, needs and proposals. Not both.

You seem to want to be a lone ranger who is in an office experiencing vibrant RTO...while surrounded by other lone rangers who somehow don't get in the way of your lone rangering.