Physicians Assistant yelling “HELP ME” while stealing a CitiBike ?

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

One of the comments from that story is really on point for this incident as well:

The unintended consequences of this narrative are that when accosted by a person of color (which could very well happen) white women must simply allow it to happen or otherwise be deemed "racist."

[Anonymous]

Anyone have the link to the lawyer's LinkedIn post?

The Daily Beast story just cites and links to the NY Post article, nothing new.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone have the link to the lawyer's LinkedIn post?

The Daily Beast story just cites and links to the NY Post article, nothing new.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/justin-marino-13ba925_stevensonmarino-defamation-litigation-activity-7064955224792133633-6O-j?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lesson: mobs are bad. There is no good mob. Mobs are never just. Don't join mobs and if any group tells you justice demands you do so, regard them with deep suspicion.

Agree, and one of the reasons people should have questioned the narrative around this video from the start is that it depicts one woman who is surrounded by at least five men. Like that didn't throw up red flags for people immediately? People very quickly landed on "all powerful white woman clearly trying to get young black men killed" without stopping on "tired nurse justifiably freaked out as multiple men surround her and harass her."

The answer to this one is in the video. Which people either did not watch or watched with extreme prejudice, seeing only that her cries sound a little flat and unemotional (not surprising given that she just worked a 12 hour shift in a hospital and is probably unbelievably tired), and just overlooking all the other stuff in the video that make it obvious that she is NOT the aggressor here.

She was probably also flat and unemotional because she was surrounded by black people holding a camera in her face clearly trying to cancel her. She’s probably seen enough others to know what’s coming next for her and was feeling depressed about the whole thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

One of the comments from that story is really on point for this incident as well:

The unintended consequences of this narrative are that when accosted by a person of color (which could very well happen) white women must simply allow it to happen or otherwise be deemed "racist."

Unintended...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

I think this is different. It's very clear Amy Cooper is trying to sic the cops on Christian Cooper in that video.

I used to think this, in part because she keeps repeating in the 911 call that "there is an African-American man threatening me. " Why would she keep emphasizing that it was an African-American man? But when you listen to both sides of the conversation you hear the 911 dispatcher saying "I can't hear you. Can you repeat that?" And so Amy Cooper keeps repeating it and getting more frustrated.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-real-story-of-the-central-park-karen/id1570872415?i=1000530855326

Now I think this was a clash between a bird-watcher and a dog-walker with both sides partially at fault but with no racial overtones. (Christian Cooper had several earlier clashes with dog-walkers.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

I think this is different. It's very clear Amy Cooper is trying to sic the cops on Christian Cooper in that video, and these mitigating facts (that he issued a somewhat veiled threat, and that he was trying to lure her dog away from the bushes with dog treats) don't undercut that. I have been on this thread defending the nurse in the Citi Bike video but what she did is nothing close to what Amy Cooper did. Amy Cooper called the police, and not only does she put on a faux fearful voice when talking to them, she tells Christian Cooper exactly what she's doing. It's disturbing. THAT actually is an example of weaponizing white tears. It's true that the situation is more nuanced than many people think it is, but that doesn't undercut that her behavior is very wrong -- at any point in that interaction, she could simply walk away from him if she felt unsafe.

The Citi Bike video is suspect from the start, does not depict what the people attacking the nurse say it does (for instance, he clearly rents the bike while she's sitting on). The nurse does not dial up the cops, she calls for help, and she does so while literally surrounded by a group of men laughing and jeering at her, one of whom is physically pushing against her and trying to get her off the bike. Very different situation.

Just like this situation is not the same as Emmett Till, it is also not the same as Amy Cooper. We should all be able to evaluate different situations based on their individual facts, and not assume that every time a white woman interacts with a black man, the same thing is always happening. Use your brains.

+100. Amy Cooper and the PA are two very different situations. Chris Cooper was asking Amy to put her dog back on a lead (per the park’s rules), not trying to take her ride out from under her. And yet Amy Cooper went way further with calling the police and putting fear into her voice than the PA ever did.

(And as someone who was hit by a biker at MacPherson Square when I was 6 months pregnant, I can empathize with the tears, even after my peep had long departed the scene.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Count me among the people who think she's very much in the wrong and that her fake crying is awful but also think the way this has gone viral and how she's being held up as emblematic of all white women is troubling.

One of the first things I thought of when I saw this video was a time when I was walking down a city street texting, minding my own business, when a group of 4 teen girls walked up and demanded I give them my phone. My first instinct at the time, since it was about 6pm on a weekday and there were lots of people around, was to loudly start saying "These girls are trying to take my phone!" Not screaming, but just announcing to passers by what was happing in case they tried to physically take it from me. They laughed at me and walked away. I think my instincts were good.

But watching this video and the response, I now wonder how that response would look if it was recorded by someone else. Would it be clear to others what was going on? What if the video didn't catch the part where the girls demanded my phone? What did I look like calling out like that? Like some entitled white lady trying to get a group of young black people in trouble? In 2023, if a bystander heard me saying that, would they understand what was happening or assume I was just a white lade crying wolf?

So while I now understand enough context to get this woman was definitely in the wrong and find her behavior abhorrent, I worry about just assuming that anytime you see a white woman calling for help that she is faking it. Sometimes people do need help. Not all white women are bad actors. Not all black people are in the right. It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great.

A woman being labelled a Karen is not the same as a black man having police sicced on him.

I didn't say it was the same. But it's still dangerous to start assuming that any white woman asking for help is lying. The idea that white women are de facto liars is troubling to me, a white woman who does not steal bikes from people or call the cops on black men for kicks. I don't want the behavior of these white women being used to justify not believing me when I'm telling the truth, and I do worry that we are defining these incidents very broadly and the fixation on how she sounded when she asked for help or the look on her face as being indicative of what was happening concerns me. As a white woman, I worry that I could look and sound like that even if I was genuinely in need of help.

+1.

Sucks to all be lumped together doesn’t it?

That was her point: "It feels like we are swinging from one set of assumptions to another and I don't think the outcomes are going to be great."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This might be a good time for some people to review another false "Karen" accusation -- the Central Park - bird watcher incident in 2020.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-real-story-of-the-central-park

One of the comments from that story is really on point for this incident as well:

The unintended consequences of this narrative are that when accosted by a person of color (which could very well happen) white women must simply allow it to happen or otherwise be deemed "racist."

Amy Cooper wasn’t “accosted.” Chris Cooper asked her to follow Central Park’s rules and put her dog back on leash.

These situations are in no way comparable.

— a birder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

Several posters on this thread echoed exactly that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Daily Beast now has a story

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-citi-bike-karen-has-the-receipts-lawyer-claims

News about the receipts was released two days ago. Why did it take the angry mob this long to accept the truth?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope everyone involves feels great about harassing a *pregnant* *nurse* who lives in the *Bronx* and spends twelve hour shifts SIX MONTHS pregnant helping the *poorest New Yorkers.* This woman could end up with a stillbirth due to this episode.

I wish her nothing but the best with her pregnancy and home she instead winds up with a cash settlement that she can use to take a nice beach vacation and then send her baby to college. I'm so incensed about this.

Monique Judge, the woman who wrote the essay about how this is exactly the same as Emmett Till (cool cool way to use Emmett Till's name just to prove your petty little point), has already said she simply does not believe the nurse's lawyer. I do hope she gets sued.

I hope the PA makes her sell her house to cover the judgment.

Maybe if we have enough mobs, one will finally turn out to be righteous.

Don’t want to get sued? Don’t defame people.

I hope she gets Roxane Gay too.

Gay has had enough sense to stop talking about this case after her initial comments in reaction to the video.

Actually a lot of people who were initially worked up have gone reeeeeeal quiet in the last day or so, as more people have taken a closer look at that video and now the woman's lawyer is speaking up.

It's just a handful of people who are going to stick with their story now. Watch a bunch of news outlets quietly delete or change the wording in their initial reports on this one. Oops, we're bad a journalism, but that's what the edit function is for.

Gay’s initial comment was that this woman was too racist to treat black patients! The harm has been done.

Gay is a piece if trash that manages to insert herself whenever some flames need to be fanned and then retreats without any consequences. Remember "The Bad Art Friend?" Gay was the one tweeting that it's still unclear whether the writer actually donated her kidney. But when the stuff hit the fan and people had to resign or apologize, she suddenly went quiet. Not her first rodeo for inciting the internet mobs. I am shocked that apparently NYTimes has no code of ethics fir their journalists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Daily Beast now has a story

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nycs-citi-bike-karen-has-the-receipts-lawyer-claims

News about the receipts was released two days ago. Why did it take the angry mob this long to accept the truth?

I didn’t see anything about it until today and I was looking. (I was the first person in this thread to say she had a viable defamation claim.)