Us-eu GDP gap and life expectancy gap are widening so rapidly in opposite directions

[Anonymous]

Wharton Economist:

https://twitter.com/sc_cath/status/1606702433471991809?s=46&t=OQ2VTT460yPSqPxgzQAqVQ

The fact that the 🇺🇸-🇪🇺 GDP gap and life expectancy gap are widening so rapidly in opposite directions should be one of the great puzzles of economics.

🇫🇷 has the GDP/capita of 🇺🇸 in 1997.

🇺🇸 has life expectancy of 🇫🇷 in 1989.

[Anonymous]

I have friends who make 1-3 million a year in biglaw, finance, running various businesses etc but I’m not jealous of any of them .

Meanwhile I know people making 10-20% that amount in France, NL, and Switzerland and they have jealousy inducing lives

I don’t know if all the work and money made by my friends in dc/nyc translate into real QoL gains.

Europe has a lot of problems but there is a huge disconnect in the us

[Anonymous]

Americans view poverty as a moral failing that needs to be punished.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wharton Economist:

https://twitter.com/sc_cath/status/1606702433471991809?s=46&t=OQ2VTT460yPSqPxgzQAqVQ

The fact that the 🇺🇸-🇪🇺 GDP gap and life expectancy gap are widening so rapidly in opposite directions should be one of the great puzzles of economics.

🇫🇷 has the GDP/capita of 🇺🇸 in 1997.

🇺🇸 has life expectancy of 🇫🇷 in 1989.

Healthcare seems like one area of major difference, no? Also drug addiction and suicide.

[Anonymous]

Averages mask the effects of disparities. Huge disparities in income, healthcare and life expectancy in the US, much less in France. Life expectancy reflects healthcare plus lifestyle factors which are determined by income.

[Anonymous]

Demographics aren't the same.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wharton Economist:

https://twitter.com/sc_cath/status/1606702433471991809?s=46&t=OQ2VTT460yPSqPxgzQAqVQ

The fact that the 🇺🇸-🇪🇺 GDP gap and life expectancy gap are widening so rapidly in opposite directions should be one of the great puzzles of economics.

🇫🇷 has the GDP/capita of 🇺🇸 in 1997.

🇺🇸 has life expectancy of 🇫🇷 in 1989.

Healthcare seems like one area of major difference, no? Also drug addiction and suicide.

+1 The American Dream is about making money. It has been since forever. Land of "streets made of gold".

In the US, you cannot retire early unless you are wealthy. Healthcare is stupid expensive here. So, people end up either not getting medical care or work till they are much much older -- both can contribute to declining health.

[Anonymous]

Not surprised! Americans love guns, fentanyl, and very expensive yet poor quality healthcare.

[Anonymous]

Europe is poor. So many Americans are woefully unaware of how extremely low salaries are in Europe. Life expectancy is low in the US, but ours is also dragged down because the US deals with a lot more complicated births that'd be terminated in Europe. When kids die below 2 years old, it drags down the mean life expectancy by a lot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Europe is poor. So many Americans are woefully unaware of how extremely low salaries are in Europe. Life expectancy is low in the US, but ours is also dragged down because the US deals with a lot more complicated births that'd be terminated in Europe. When kids die below 2 years old, it drags down the mean life expectancy by a lot.

What are the statistics on gun deaths, deaths of despair, heart disease and obesity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who make 1-3 million a year in biglaw, finance, running various businesses etc but I’m not jealous of any of them .

Meanwhile I know people making 10-20% that amount in France, NL, and Switzerland and they have jealousy inducing lives

I don’t know if all the work and money made by my friends in dc/nyc translate into real QoL gains.

Europe has a lot of problems but there is a huge disconnect in the us

We have winners and losers here in the US, that's for sure. I figure as long as me and mine can stay on the right side of that divide, I'm fine with being in the USA. It's more vibrant and dynamic if you ask me, but it's definitely not fo everyone.

As a slight aside, do you remember the article awhile back about the large number of unemployed women in the Netherlands? And a commission there looked into it because they assumed it was due to discrimination, but they wound up concluding that, nope, huge numbers of women didn't want to work and were perfectly happy not working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Europe is poor. So many Americans are woefully unaware of how extremely low salaries are in Europe. Life expectancy is low in the US, but ours is also dragged down because the US deals with a lot more complicated births that'd be terminated in Europe. When kids die below 2 years old, it drags down the mean life expectancy by a lot.

Atlantic did a article recently where even if you compare rich Americans to rich Europeans, rich Americans have lower life expectancies.

It makes sense. My really rich american friends still have to put up with the same dangerous roads, food supply, overwork, lack of sleep etc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who make 1-3 million a year in biglaw, finance, running various businesses etc but I’m not jealous of any of them .

Meanwhile I know people making 10-20% that amount in France, NL, and Switzerland and they have jealousy inducing lives

I don’t know if all the work and money made by my friends in dc/nyc translate into real QoL gains.

Europe has a lot of problems but there is a huge disconnect in the us

We have winners and losers here in the US, that's for sure. I figure as long as me and mine can stay on the right side of that divide, I'm fine with being in the USA. It's more vibrant and dynamic if you ask me, but it's definitely not fo everyone.

As a slight aside, do you remember the article awhile back about the large number of unemployed women in the Netherlands? And a commission there looked into it because they assumed it was due to discrimination, but they wound up concluding that, nope, huge numbers of women didn't want to work and were perfectly happy not working.

Yep! I remember that. Dutch women are some of the laziest in the developed world. Huge part-time culture.

But they are also taller, thinner, healthier than American women so I don’t think we are the ones #winning

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who make 1-3 million a year in biglaw, finance, running various businesses etc but I’m not jealous of any of them .

Meanwhile I know people making 10-20% that amount in France, NL, and Switzerland and they have jealousy inducing lives

I don’t know if all the work and money made by my friends in dc/nyc translate into real QoL gains.

Europe has a lot of problems but there is a huge disconnect in the us

We have winners and losers here in the US, that's for sure. I figure as long as me and mine can stay on the right side of that divide, I'm fine with being in the USA. It's more vibrant and dynamic if you ask me, but it's definitely not fo everyone.

As a slight aside, do you remember the article awhile back about the large number of unemployed women in the Netherlands? And a commission there looked into it because they assumed it was due to discrimination, but they wound up concluding that, nope, huge numbers of women didn't want to work and were perfectly happy not working.

Yep! I remember that. Dutch women are some of the laziest in the developed world. Huge part-time culture.

But they are also taller, thinner, healthier than American women so I don’t think we are the ones #winning

It's a valid point, and thanks for commenting. So why are American women so delusional that they think they have to break through the glass ceiling and have it all, etc.? Maybe it's because we are just Americans and that's the way we are? So really you have to ask ... at the end of your days what will you reflect upon -- your achievements or how you were taller, thinner and healthier? I don't know, it's certainly worth thinking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have friends who make 1-3 million a year in biglaw, finance, running various businesses etc but I’m not jealous of any of them .

Meanwhile I know people making 10-20% that amount in France, NL, and Switzerland and they have jealousy inducing lives

I don’t know if all the work and money made by my friends in dc/nyc translate into real QoL gains.

Europe has a lot of problems but there is a huge disconnect in the us

We have winners and losers here in the US, that's for sure. I figure as long as me and mine can stay on the right side of that divide, I'm fine with being in the USA. It's more vibrant and dynamic if you ask me, but it's definitely not fo everyone.

As a slight aside, do you remember the article awhile back about the large number of unemployed women in the Netherlands? And a commission there looked into it because they assumed it was due to discrimination, but they wound up concluding that, nope, huge numbers of women didn't want to work and were perfectly happy not working.

Yep! I remember that. Dutch women are some of the laziest in the developed world. Huge part-time culture.

But they are also taller, thinner, healthier than American women so I don’t think we are the ones #winning

It's a valid point, and thanks for commenting. So why are American women so delusional that they think they have to break through the glass ceiling and have it all, etc.? Maybe it's because we are just Americans and that's the way we are? So really you have to ask ... at the end of your days what will you reflect upon -- your achievements or how you were taller, thinner and healthier? I don't know, it's certainly worth thinking about.

Honestly - I think it is fear is what motivates us. QoL majorly suffers in 🇺🇸 when you go backwards in ses compared to other countries.

So I think it isn’t that we will reflect on our achievements (unless you are a HRC or some .1% person that not only is rich but also influential/powerful) but if we raised our kids to succeed/how they are doing.

It feels there is no middle path. NL, France have their issues also.

I hope post Ukraine war, europe becomes a bit more American and we become more European.