https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-colonial-policy-killed-100-million-indians Interesting look at colonialism. It makes sense when you think of what colonialism was. |
| There are a couple assumptions that seem arguable. But at first look, there's no reason to think that colonialism could be good for the colonized - but the die cannot be unrolled, the present cannot be changed, and colonization did bring some benefits too. |
I think the colonized should be the judge of that--and if the 100 million death toll was worth it. |
Then why are we discussing this at all? Ask Jeff to take this thread down. |
Shall we ask them to abandon "colonialist" benefits like a unified India, democracy, electricity, railroads, sanitation systems, the constitution, and the abolition of sati? |
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Teaching improved farming techniques makes up for this hypothetical increase in deaths. I don't see any causal explanation for these excess deaths or lower living standards. Did the British salt the earth so farms wouldn't get crops?
Could it be that higher population itself increased the poverty rate? More poor people having more kids would boost a poverty rate very high. |
Could it be that the British took the majority of wealth and left little for the Indians? |
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From the article To make matters worse, British colonisers established a system of legal plunder, known to contemporaries as the “drain of wealth.” Britain taxed the Indian population and then used the revenues to buy Indian products – indigo, grain, cotton, and opium – thus obtaining these goods for free. These goods were then either consumed within Britain or re-exported abroad, with the revenues pocketed by the British state and used to finance the industrial development of Britain and its settler colonies – the United States, Canada and Australia. |
Britain was exporting food out of Bengal to the UK (on those much-praised trains) while the Bengal Famine was killing millions in the region. The same thing happened during the Irish Potato Famine. The point of colonialism is exploitation of the colony for natural resources to go back to the mother country, not development of the colony. The British outlawed textile production in India so that Indians would have to buy British textiles weaved using exported Indian cotton. |
Oh, FFS! https://youtu.be/f7CW7S0zxv4 |
However, at the same time, England and the rest of Europe was starting into the Industrial Revolution that really accelerated the wealth of England and didn't really have much to do with India at all. A better argument, but not one that the study authors, or others citing the study, would be that England kept India out of the Industrial Revolution - but there's no reason to think that happened and that had England never encountered India that India would have proceeded alongside Europe in the Industrial Revolution during that time period. |
IOW, the British were lousy at colonization. The point of colonialism is not to create markets in India, or at least it shouldn't have been, although that's one of the things that the UK did. |
That’s quite a lot of gymnastics. The point of colonialism is to exploit. It is exploitative to take your raw materials and forcing you to buy their (inferior) finished products. It created a huge market for British products that otherwise did not exist. |
| Colonialism was bad. Other than a couple of dimwits here, is there really anyone pro-colonialism today? I don’t think anyone is power is pro-colonialism. |