Gaza War, Part 3

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is the preferred option- for the war to continue, or for all the hostages to be released and all of Hamas surrenders?


The war will only end once every single hostage is returned to Israel, and Hamas is completely gone in Gaza.



Yep. Everything else is just noise. The war ends once Hamas is destroyed and every hostage is returned and accounted for. There's nothing complicated about it.


Israel's atrocities are feeding sympathy across the world for Palestinian rights. Hamas will not be destroyed until there is justice for Palestinians. It's unfortunate, but no oppressive colonial system has ever been overthrown without violence. Like the ANC or the Mau Mau, Hamas will eventually either reinvent itself as a non-violent organization or fade away but not before there is some sort of accounting for the wrongs of Israeli colonialism and its brutal history of ethnic cleansing. Hamas will most likely regroup with massive global support after this war. The best outcome would be that it gains enough political clout to allow it to exert diplomatic and economic pressure rather than that it continues with violent outbursts.


Jewish people have lived in Israel since 2,000 BCE. They have been the primary native population since the same date. And they are currently facing an active genocide being carried out by the democratic government of Palestine/Gaza.

Meanwhile, globally, Jewish individuals are being attacked, and killed because of their Jewish faith, only for the government to pretend that these are unrelated events.

Don’t believe me? Look at all the prominent, strong, and beloved Jews brutally murdered just in the United States since 10/7. Don’t tell the government though, all of these are completely unrelated to their Jewish faith or Israel’s defense of its sovereignty and historical lands:

https://www.jta.org/2024/03/04/united-states/calls-mount-to-investigate-antisemitism-in-killing-of-san-diego-jewish-dentist-benjamin-harouni

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/samantha-woll-update-coming-from-wayne-county-prosecutor.amp

https://apnews.com/article/man-killed-california-protests-israel-hamas-war-13eb9cd0305dc0d0d822c355db7b1de6

This is what violent, deadly anti-semitism looks like. And this is why many outspoken, proud Jews like me are terrified to even go about our daily lives. We aren’t evil people, we don’t want dead Palestinians, we just want to see our hostages returned, and Hamas destroyed so Palestinians can actually work towards a better world, a World where Palestinians and Israelis can live together without Hamas actively trying to commit Genocide against their Israeli neighbors. Where Palestine teaches their youth about how Israel has supported them and been a good neighbor to them, not how Israel and Jews must be eradicated. We just want a World where the UN treats Israel fairly, rather than taking every opportunity to call Israel’s defense a genocide.

But what do we get? We get a World where Biden attacks Islamophobia - not the very real anti-semitism occurring daily. https://www.trtworld.com/us-and-canada/biden-slams-islamophobia-but-muslim-group-seeks-policy-change-over-words-17378336

We get a World where Biden (and other global leaders) calls for a ceasefire, but doesn’t stand firmly by the side of one of our strongest Allie’s. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-pushed-netanyahu-temporary-ceasefire-2024-02-16/

We get a world where the UN runs a sham trial claiming that the defense of Israel constitutes a genocide - while the same sham of a body ignores Hamas’ decades-long genocide against Jewish people. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-genocide-court-south-africa-27cf84e16082cde798395a95e9143c06

We live in a World where a normally moderate parenting forum has a thousands of pages long thread about a war across the Country from us full of people so upset over the very existence of a singular Jewish State is so disturbing to them that they have - repeatedly - resorted to calling the very act of that state defending itself - and it’s right to exist - akin to the absolute depravity of Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

And you wonder why Jewish people are scared, and traumatized. Why we are, if my circle of friends, praying desperately for a serious change in the political leadership of this country - even though for most of us the majority of the oppositions policy goes against our own beliefs.


Holy moly, what a crock! Your post has too much BS to respond to, but the link about the Samantha Woll murder quotes the DA saying there is no evidence whatsoever that it was a hate crime. She was not killed because she was Jewish.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html



Fortunately, the Israelis were able to kill Marwan Issa yesterday. He was the Hamas leader responsible for stealing more than 60 percent of all the food aid in Gaza, which Hamas then sells at exorbitant prices to the few that can afford it while everyone else goes hungry. Tragically for Palestinians, Hamas is a death cult. They want Palestinians to die. It's a difficult thing to work around. Hopefully more air drops will help alleviate some of the food shortages. But nothing is going to really change until the entire Hamas leadership is eliminated.


Can you try to put yourself in the position of a civilian in Gaza? Your house is destroyed. Your spouse and a couple of your kids have been killed. You are hungry. Your baby is crying for food. Who do you hate more: Hamas or IDF? The bombs are obviously coming from Israel. Would you ever forgive Israel? Or would your tears and your sorrow inspire your baby (if he survives) to rise up against Israel in 20 years?

How exactly is Israel’s continued punishment of Gaza making things safer for Israel in the long term?

If you still think it does, how do you see the aftermath of the war unfolding? What’s the recovery plan?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html


I'm willing to bet everything I own that no Israeli general will ever be sitting in the dock at the Hague for war crimes


Not sure if you’re saying that because you think that no Israeli general has committed even a single war crime or because you know the U.S. would obviously interfere on Israel’s behalf to block any such prosecution, but your assets are quite at risk if you’re relying on the former.
Anonymous
Hamas was concerned that the trade agreement Jared Kushner negotiated with the Saudis would hurt their benefactor, Iran. This is part of why they did what they did on Oct 7.

And on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

Jared wants to eradicate or remove the Palestinians so the beachfront Gaza area can be redeveloped.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is the preferred option- for the war to continue, or for all the hostages to be released and all of Hamas surrenders?


The war will only end once every single hostage is returned to Israel, and Hamas is completely gone in Gaza.



Yep. Everything else is just noise. The war ends once Hamas is destroyed and every hostage is returned and accounted for. There's nothing complicated about it.


Israel's atrocities are feeding sympathy across the world for Palestinian rights. Hamas will not be destroyed until there is justice for Palestinians. It's unfortunate, but no oppressive colonial system has ever been overthrown without violence. Like the ANC or the Mau Mau, Hamas will eventually either reinvent itself as a non-violent organization or fade away but not before there is some sort of accounting for the wrongs of Israeli colonialism and its brutal history of ethnic cleansing. Hamas will most likely regroup with massive global support after this war. The best outcome would be that it gains enough political clout to allow it to exert diplomatic and economic pressure rather than that it continues with violent outbursts.


Jewish people have lived in Israel since 2,000 BCE. They have been the primary native population since the same date. And they are currently facing an active genocide being carried out by the democratic government of Palestine/Gaza.

Meanwhile, globally, Jewish individuals are being attacked, and killed because of their Jewish faith, only for the government to pretend that these are unrelated events.

Don’t believe me? Look at all the prominent, strong, and beloved Jews brutally murdered just in the United States since 10/7. Don’t tell the government though, all of these are completely unrelated to their Jewish faith or Israel’s defense of its sovereignty and historical lands:

https://www.jta.org/2024/03/04/united-states/calls-mount-to-investigate-antisemitism-in-killing-of-san-diego-jewish-dentist-benjamin-harouni

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/samantha-woll-update-coming-from-wayne-county-prosecutor.amp

https://apnews.com/article/man-killed-california-protests-israel-hamas-war-13eb9cd0305dc0d0d822c355db7b1de6

This is what violent, deadly anti-semitism looks like. And this is why many outspoken, proud Jews like me are terrified to even go about our daily lives. We aren’t evil people, we don’t want dead Palestinians, we just want to see our hostages returned, and Hamas destroyed so Palestinians can actually work towards a better world, a World where Palestinians and Israelis can live together without Hamas actively trying to commit Genocide against their Israeli neighbors. Where Palestine teaches their youth about how Israel has supported them and been a good neighbor to them, not how Israel and Jews must be eradicated. We just want a World where the UN treats Israel fairly, rather than taking every opportunity to call Israel’s defense a genocide.

But what do we get? We get a World where Biden attacks Islamophobia - not the very real anti-semitism occurring daily. https://www.trtworld.com/us-and-canada/biden-slams-islamophobia-but-muslim-group-seeks-policy-change-over-words-17378336

We get a World where Biden (and other global leaders) calls for a ceasefire, but doesn’t stand firmly by the side of one of our strongest Allie’s. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-pushed-netanyahu-temporary-ceasefire-2024-02-16/

We get a world where the UN runs a sham trial claiming that the defense of Israel constitutes a genocide - while the same sham of a body ignores Hamas’ decades-long genocide against Jewish people. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-genocide-court-south-africa-27cf84e16082cde798395a95e9143c06

We live in a World where a normally moderate parenting forum has a thousands of pages long thread about a war across the Country from us full of people so upset over the very existence of a singular Jewish State is so disturbing to them that they have - repeatedly - resorted to calling the very act of that state defending itself - and it’s right to exist - akin to the absolute depravity of Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

And you wonder why Jewish people are scared, and traumatized. Why we are, if my circle of friends, praying desperately for a serious change in the political leadership of this country - even though for most of us the majority of the oppositions policy goes against our own beliefs.


I don't agree with the arguments made to create Israel from what was Palestine ("we're the indigenous people," "God gave us the land," etc.). They sound like the arguments a child would make in an effort to persuade his mother to give him his brother's favorite toy. Like a child's arguments, they are entirely self-referential and ignore the interests of all other parties. They fall apart very quickly under analysis, which is why supporters of Israel are so eager to suppress analysis and information with cries of "antisemitism." This has worked quite well for Israel in the past, but people see through it now. When Israeli historians like Teddy Katz and Ilan Pappe uncovered uncomfortable facts about Zionist crimes against humanity during the Nakba, Israel found ways to shut them down. Katz's career was destroyed, and Pappe left Israel because he didn't feel safe there. He received death threats, and a member of the Knesset called for him to be fired. Israel shuts down dissent by murdering journalists. Sorry, but you can't silence all of us who are outraged by Israel's behavior.

Palestinians have suffered terrible injustices through the creation of Israel. Their rights have been repeatedly and horrifically violated. During the Nakba, they were brutally evicted from their land through massacres and rapes, and their homes were either destroyed or given away to immigrants. About 750,000 of them were driven out of the region. This process of brutal land grabbing continues to this day in the West Bank. Israel's treatment of Palestinians certainly involves ethnic cleansing. Under some definitions of the term, it is also genocide.

Biden has clearly condemned both Islamophobia and antisemitism. Why are you indignant over his condemnation of Islamophobia when a 6-year-old Palestinian boy was recently stabbed to death in Chicago? Sadly, your reaction indicates that you don't see Palestinians as being your equals. Their needs and suffering are of secondary importance to you. Antisemitism exists, unfortunately, and all hate crimes are horrific, but I'm not seeing any concern from you about Palestinian suffering.

Frankly, I spend a lot less time worrying about "why Jewish people are scared, and traumatized" than about why Palestinian children are scared and traumatized. I worry far more about Palestinian children actively starving, losing their parents, siblings, and limbs, dying of disease brought on by conditions Israel has created, dying slowly and alone of thirst and blood loss under the rubble of bombed buildings, being homeless, being unable to access healthcare, and being denied an education because their schools have been destroyed--I worry far more about that than I do about your hurt feelings that people are turning against Israel.








Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html



Fortunately, the Israelis were able to kill Marwan Issa yesterday. He was the Hamas leader responsible for stealing more than 60 percent of all the food aid in Gaza, which Hamas then sells at exorbitant prices to the few that can afford it while everyone else goes hungry. Tragically for Palestinians, Hamas is a death cult. They want Palestinians to die. It's a difficult thing to work around. Hopefully more air drops will help alleviate some of the food shortages. But nothing is going to really change until the entire Hamas leadership is eliminated.


Can you try to put yourself in the position of a civilian in Gaza? Your house is destroyed. Your spouse and a couple of your kids have been killed. You are hungry. Your baby is crying for food. Who do you hate more: Hamas or IDF? The bombs are obviously coming from Israel. Would you ever forgive Israel? Or would your tears and your sorrow inspire your baby (if he survives) to rise up against Israel in 20 years?

How exactly is Israel’s continued punishment of Gaza making things safer for Israel in the long term?

If you still think it does, how do you see the aftermath of the war unfolding? What’s the recovery plan?


They fully intend to kill them all. They've made that pretty clear. No need to worry about future generations once you've eliminated them all.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Times of Israel reports today:

"The IDF responds to reports of the deaths of two Palestinian journalists in an Israeli airstrike the Gaza Strip earlier today, saying the pair, working for Al Jazeera, were in a vehicle with a terror operative who was operating a drone.

In response to a query on the matter, the IDF Spokesperson’s Unit tells The Times of Israel that a military aircraft “identified and struck a terrorist who operated an aircraft in a way that put IDF forces at risk.”"


Washington Post today has an analysis of this strike that killed Hamza Dahdouh and Mustafa Thuraya. More lies from the IDF.

No Israeli soldiers, aircraft or other military equipment are visible in the footage taken that day — which The Post is publishing in its entirety — raising critical questions about why the journalists were targeted.

The Post found no indications that either man was operating as anything other than a journalist that day. Both passed through Israeli checkpoints on their way to the south early in the war; Dahdouh had recently been approved to leave Gaza, a rare privilege unlikely to have been granted to a known militant.

In response to multiple inquiries and detailed questions from The Post, the IDF said: “We have nothing further to add.”

Since Thuraya and Dahdouh were killed, “no one dares to fly any drones,” said Anat Saragusti, director of press freedom at the Union of Journalists in Israel.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/19/gaza-journalists-killed-israel-al-jazeera-footage/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Hamas was concerned that the trade agreement Jared Kushner negotiated with the Saudis would hurt their benefactor, Iran. This is part of why they did what they did on Oct 7.

And on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

Jared wants to eradicate or remove the Palestinians so the beachfront Gaza area can be redeveloped.

^^As the wealthy children build sand castles in the sand . . ."Look Mom, I found a tooth."

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hamas was concerned that the trade agreement Jared Kushner negotiated with the Saudis would hurt their benefactor, Iran. This is part of why they did what they did on Oct 7.

And on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

Jared wants to eradicate or remove the Palestinians so the beachfront Gaza area can be redeveloped.

^^As the wealthy children build sand castles in the sand . . ."Look Mom, I found a tooth."



"As the wealthy children build sand castles in the sand . . .'Look Mom, I found a tooth.'"

Ooof! That is a chilling and pertinent comment on the erasure of Palestinians

Jared is embarrassing in the linked article. That this intellectually mediocre, ethically challenged man should have so much privilege and power is symbolic of much that is wrong with America.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html



Fortunately, the Israelis were able to kill Marwan Issa yesterday. He was the Hamas leader responsible for stealing more than 60 percent of all the food aid in Gaza, which Hamas then sells at exorbitant prices to the few that can afford it while everyone else goes hungry. Tragically for Palestinians, Hamas is a death cult. They want Palestinians to die. It's a difficult thing to work around. Hopefully more air drops will help alleviate some of the food shortages. But nothing is going to really change until the entire Hamas leadership is eliminated.


Can you try to put yourself in the position of a civilian in Gaza? Your house is destroyed. Your spouse and a couple of your kids have been killed. You are hungry. Your baby is crying for food. Who do you hate more: Hamas or IDF? The bombs are obviously coming from Israel. Would you ever forgive Israel? Or would your tears and your sorrow inspire your baby (if he survives) to rise up against Israel in 20 years?

How exactly is Israel’s continued punishment of Gaza making things safer for Israel in the long term?

If you still think it does, how do you see the aftermath of the war unfolding? What’s the recovery plan?


They fully intend to kill them all. They've made that pretty clear. No need to worry about future generations once you've eliminated them all.


They will never eliminate all of them or all of us who now support them. The Palestinians' time has come.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is the preferred option- for the war to continue, or for all the hostages to be released and all of Hamas surrenders?


The war will only end once every single hostage is returned to Israel, and Hamas is completely gone in Gaza.



Yep. Everything else is just noise. The war ends once Hamas is destroyed and every hostage is returned and accounted for. There's nothing complicated about it.


Israel's atrocities are feeding sympathy across the world for Palestinian rights. Hamas will not be destroyed until there is justice for Palestinians. It's unfortunate, but no oppressive colonial system has ever been overthrown without violence. Like the ANC or the Mau Mau, Hamas will eventually either reinvent itself as a non-violent organization or fade away but not before there is some sort of accounting for the wrongs of Israeli colonialism and its brutal history of ethnic cleansing. Hamas will most likely regroup with massive global support after this war. The best outcome would be that it gains enough political clout to allow it to exert diplomatic and economic pressure rather than that it continues with violent outbursts.


Jewish people have lived in Israel since 2,000 BCE. They have been the primary native population since the same date. And they are currently facing an active genocide being carried out by the democratic government of Palestine/Gaza.

Meanwhile, globally, Jewish individuals are being attacked, and killed because of their Jewish faith, only for the government to pretend that these are unrelated events.

Don’t believe me? Look at all the prominent, strong, and beloved Jews brutally murdered just in the United States since 10/7. Don’t tell the government though, all of these are completely unrelated to their Jewish faith or Israel’s defense of its sovereignty and historical lands:

https://www.jta.org/2024/03/04/united-states/calls-mount-to-investigate-antisemitism-in-killing-of-san-diego-jewish-dentist-benjamin-harouni

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/samantha-woll-update-coming-from-wayne-county-prosecutor.amp

https://apnews.com/article/man-killed-california-protests-israel-hamas-war-13eb9cd0305dc0d0d822c355db7b1de6

This is what violent, deadly anti-semitism looks like. And this is why many outspoken, proud Jews like me are terrified to even go about our daily lives. We aren’t evil people, we don’t want dead Palestinians, we just want to see our hostages returned, and Hamas destroyed so Palestinians can actually work towards a better world, a World where Palestinians and Israelis can live together without Hamas actively trying to commit Genocide against their Israeli neighbors. Where Palestine teaches their youth about how Israel has supported them and been a good neighbor to them, not how Israel and Jews must be eradicated. We just want a World where the UN treats Israel fairly, rather than taking every opportunity to call Israel’s defense a genocide.

But what do we get? We get a World where Biden attacks Islamophobia - not the very real anti-semitism occurring daily. https://www.trtworld.com/us-and-canada/biden-slams-islamophobia-but-muslim-group-seeks-policy-change-over-words-17378336

We get a World where Biden (and other global leaders) calls for a ceasefire, but doesn’t stand firmly by the side of one of our strongest Allie’s. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-pushed-netanyahu-temporary-ceasefire-2024-02-16/

We get a world where the UN runs a sham trial claiming that the defense of Israel constitutes a genocide - while the same sham of a body ignores Hamas’ decades-long genocide against Jewish people. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-genocide-court-south-africa-27cf84e16082cde798395a95e9143c06

We live in a World where a normally moderate parenting forum has a thousands of pages long thread about a war across the Country from us full of people so upset over the very existence of a singular Jewish State is so disturbing to them that they have - repeatedly - resorted to calling the very act of that state defending itself - and it’s right to exist - akin to the absolute depravity of Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

And you wonder why Jewish people are scared, and traumatized. Why we are, if my circle of friends, praying desperately for a serious change in the political leadership of this country - even though for most of us the majority of the oppositions policy goes against our own beliefs.


Me, me, me. Not even a fleeting thought that there might be others to give thought and consideration to.

If anti-semitism is so prevalent in the U.S. under President Biden, how do you explain the extraordinary concentration (relative to population) of Jewish members of his cabinet? Less than 3% of the population occupying around 55% of the seats at the table, disproportionately afforded a collective voice that benefits Israel’s interests.

Similarly, how do you explain the blind, unconditional financial welfare the U.S. provides to Israel, the fact that the U.S. State Dept. circumvents federal law to provision and resupply Israel with weapons systems and consumables (in unprecedented fashion), and the fact that the U.N. blatantly interferes at the U.N. on Israel’s behalf year after year, atrocity after atrocity?

How do you keep a straight face while characterizing yourself as the victim?

The gall …


+1. The U.S. absolutely prostrates itself to Israel's interests, and yet this poster thinks it's not enough. As an American taxpayer, I don't want to see another cent of my money go to the genocidal, racist Israeli regime. I would rather see it diverted to the Palestinians, who have suffered so much.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html



Fortunately, the Israelis were able to kill Marwan Issa yesterday. He was the Hamas leader responsible for stealing more than 60 percent of all the food aid in Gaza, which Hamas then sells at exorbitant prices to the few that can afford it while everyone else goes hungry. Tragically for Palestinians, Hamas is a death cult. They want Palestinians to die. It's a difficult thing to work around. Hopefully more air drops will help alleviate some of the food shortages. But nothing is going to really change until the entire Hamas leadership is eliminated.


Can you try to put yourself in the position of a civilian in Gaza? Your house is destroyed. Your spouse and a couple of your kids have been killed. You are hungry. Your baby is crying for food. Who do you hate more: Hamas or IDF? The bombs are obviously coming from Israel. Would you ever forgive Israel? Or would your tears and your sorrow inspire your baby (if he survives) to rise up against Israel in 20 years?

How exactly is Israel’s continued punishment of Gaza making things safer for Israel in the long term?

If you still think it does, how do you see the aftermath of the war unfolding? What’s the recovery plan?



Can you put yourself in the shoes of a child in New York who lost his father to the Al-Qaeda attacks on 9/11? Can you put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi mother whose daughter was kidnapped by ISIS?

The world can't live with the kind of mass terrorism perpetrated by the likes of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and Hamas. The US went to war for twenty years after 9/11. Iraq, Syria and allies as varied as Russia, Turkey, and the US spent years eradicating ISIS. Hundreds of thousands of lives were lost in those conflicts. Hamas is no different. No country on Earth is going to quietly tolerate the kind of atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. It is telling that not a single Arab country stands with the Palestinians now. And it's because of Hamas. That is the problem for Palestinians. They are ruled by terrorists.

As to what happens after Hamas is destroyed, it's unknowable. Netanyahu is incredibly unpopular in Israel. He will be gone with the next election. But whoever follows will still have Israeli security as their top priority. It's an Israel's interest to have a stable, independent, thriving Palestine as their neighbor. But how to get from here to there is anyone's guess. Much depends on the Palestinians themselves. By most accounts, they are disgusted with Hamas. So that's a start. But the quicker Hamas is destroyed, the sooner the rebuilding can begin.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not sure if this has been posted already but millions face starvation in Gaza due to Israel preventing aid from entering Gaza. These are war crimes.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/19/middleeast/famine-northern-gaza-starvation-ipc-report-intl-hnk/index.html


Eliminate Hamas = kill every single Palestinian

Nice try zionist

Fortunately, the Israelis were able to kill Marwan Issa yesterday. He was the Hamas leader responsible for stealing more than 60 percent of all the food aid in Gaza, which Hamas then sells at exorbitant prices to the few that can afford it while everyone else goes hungry. Tragically for Palestinians, Hamas is a death cult. They want Palestinians to die. It's a difficult thing to work around. Hopefully more air drops will help alleviate some of the food shortages. But nothing is going to really change until the entire Hamas leadership is eliminated.


Can you try to put yourself in the position of a civilian in Gaza? Your house is destroyed. Your spouse and a couple of your kids have been killed. You are hungry. Your baby is crying for food. Who do you hate more: Hamas or IDF? The bombs are obviously coming from Israel. Would you ever forgive Israel? Or would your tears and your sorrow inspire your baby (if he survives) to rise up against Israel in 20 years?

How exactly is Israel’s continued punishment of Gaza making things safer for Israel in the long term?

If you still think it does, how do you see the aftermath of the war unfolding? What’s the recovery plan?



Can you put yourself in the shoes of a child in New York who lost his father to the Al-Qaeda attacks on 9/11? Can you put yourself in the shoes of an Iraqi mother whose daughter was kidnapped by ISIS?

The world can't live with the kind of mass terrorism perpetrated by the likes of Al-Qaeda, ISIS, and Hamas. The US went to war for twenty years after 9/11. Iraq, Syria and allies as varied as Russia, Turkey, and the US spent years eradicating ISIS. Hundreds of thousands of lives were lost in those conflicts. Hamas is no different. No country on Earth is going to quietly tolerate the kind of atrocities that Hamas committed on 10/7. It is telling that not a single Arab country stands with the Palestinians now. And it's because of Hamas. That is the problem for Palestinians. They are ruled by terrorists.

As to what happens after Hamas is destroyed, it's unknowable. Netanyahu is incredibly unpopular in Israel. He will be gone with the next election. But whoever follows will still have Israeli security as their top priority. It's an Israel's interest to have a stable, independent, thriving Palestine as their neighbor. But how to get from here to there is anyone's guess. Much depends on the Palestinians themselves. By most accounts, they are disgusted with Hamas. So that's a start. But the quicker Hamas is destroyed, the sooner the rebuilding can begin.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hamas was concerned that the trade agreement Jared Kushner negotiated with the Saudis would hurt their benefactor, Iran. This is part of why they did what they did on Oct 7.

And on cue...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushner-gaza-waterfront-property-israel-negev

Jared wants to eradicate or remove the Palestinians so the beachfront Gaza area can be redeveloped.

^^As the wealthy children build sand castles in the sand . . ."Look Mom, I found a tooth."



"As the wealthy children build sand castles in the sand . . .'Look Mom, I found a tooth.'"

Ooof! That is a chilling and pertinent comment on the erasure of Palestinians

Jared is embarrassing in the linked article. That this intellectually mediocre, ethically challenged man should have so much privilege and power is symbolic of much that is wrong with America.


Chilling, just as it was meant to be.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Which is the preferred option- for the war to continue, or for all the hostages to be released and all of Hamas surrenders?


The war will only end once every single hostage is returned to Israel, and Hamas is completely gone in Gaza.



Yep. Everything else is just noise. The war ends once Hamas is destroyed and every hostage is returned and accounted for. There's nothing complicated about it.


Israel's atrocities are feeding sympathy across the world for Palestinian rights. Hamas will not be destroyed until there is justice for Palestinians. It's unfortunate, but no oppressive colonial system has ever been overthrown without violence. Like the ANC or the Mau Mau, Hamas will eventually either reinvent itself as a non-violent organization or fade away but not before there is some sort of accounting for the wrongs of Israeli colonialism and its brutal history of ethnic cleansing. Hamas will most likely regroup with massive global support after this war. The best outcome would be that it gains enough political clout to allow it to exert diplomatic and economic pressure rather than that it continues with violent outbursts.


Jewish people have lived in Israel since 2,000 BCE. They have been the primary native population since the same date. And they are currently facing an active genocide being carried out by the democratic government of Palestine/Gaza.

Meanwhile, globally, Jewish individuals are being attacked, and killed because of their Jewish faith, only for the government to pretend that these are unrelated events.

Don’t believe me? Look at all the prominent, strong, and beloved Jews brutally murdered just in the United States since 10/7. Don’t tell the government though, all of these are completely unrelated to their Jewish faith or Israel’s defense of its sovereignty and historical lands:

https://www.jta.org/2024/03/04/united-states/calls-mount-to-investigate-antisemitism-in-killing-of-san-diego-jewish-dentist-benjamin-harouni

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/samantha-woll-update-coming-from-wayne-county-prosecutor.amp

https://apnews.com/article/man-killed-california-protests-israel-hamas-war-13eb9cd0305dc0d0d822c355db7b1de6

This is what violent, deadly anti-semitism looks like. And this is why many outspoken, proud Jews like me are terrified to even go about our daily lives. We aren’t evil people, we don’t want dead Palestinians, we just want to see our hostages returned, and Hamas destroyed so Palestinians can actually work towards a better world, a World where Palestinians and Israelis can live together without Hamas actively trying to commit Genocide against their Israeli neighbors. Where Palestine teaches their youth about how Israel has supported them and been a good neighbor to them, not how Israel and Jews must be eradicated. We just want a World where the UN treats Israel fairly, rather than taking every opportunity to call Israel’s defense a genocide.

But what do we get? We get a World where Biden attacks Islamophobia - not the very real anti-semitism occurring daily. https://www.trtworld.com/us-and-canada/biden-slams-islamophobia-but-muslim-group-seeks-policy-change-over-words-17378336

We get a World where Biden (and other global leaders) calls for a ceasefire, but doesn’t stand firmly by the side of one of our strongest Allie’s. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-pushed-netanyahu-temporary-ceasefire-2024-02-16/

We get a world where the UN runs a sham trial claiming that the defense of Israel constitutes a genocide - while the same sham of a body ignores Hamas’ decades-long genocide against Jewish people. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-genocide-court-south-africa-27cf84e16082cde798395a95e9143c06

We live in a World where a normally moderate parenting forum has a thousands of pages long thread about a war across the Country from us full of people so upset over the very existence of a singular Jewish State is so disturbing to them that they have - repeatedly - resorted to calling the very act of that state defending itself - and it’s right to exist - akin to the absolute depravity of Hitler’s Nazi Germany.

And you wonder why Jewish people are scared, and traumatized. Why we are, if my circle of friends, praying desperately for a serious change in the political leadership of this country - even though for most of us the majority of the oppositions policy goes against our own beliefs.


Holy moly, what a crock! Your post has too much BS to respond to, but the link about the Samantha Woll murder quotes the DA saying there is no evidence whatsoever that it was a hate crime. She was not killed because she was Jewish.


And the Nazis didn’t try the SS for the hate crimes they committed. That certainly wasn’t anti-semitic, and according to their clear descendants neither was this brutal murder. Just a coincidence.
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