Field hockey clubs feedback

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

[Anonymous]

Bringing girls in from another country doesn’t really bother me so long as it is within the rules of USA Field Hockey. The girls could have been here as part of an exchange program and wanted to play.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

The results at NIT, without the internationals, tells a different story.
Maybe they would have qualified, maybe not.
Obviously, the club director had doubts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

H U19 would not have made NITs without overseas players. They lost pretty badly at NITs without their special/illegal players.

[Anonymous]

The people who are analyzing players, other parents, and team results are the reason youth sports has become the way it is vs a healthy environment for girls to thrive and learn life lessons, etc.

So sad. Look at the example you are to your children!

I came to this site to learn about the different clubs and their coaches environment etc. what I see is negativity and calling out young ladies for this and that. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who are analyzing players, other parents, and team results are the reason youth sports has become the way it is vs a healthy environment for girls to thrive and learn life lessons, etc.

So sad. Look at the example you are to your children!

I came to this site to learn about the different clubs and their coaches environment etc. what I see is negativity and calling out young ladies for this and that. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Knowledge is power. We need all of the information to make the best decisions for our DDs. If you don’t like it then scram. Nobody is calling out individual players. The clubs and their owners/managers/coaches are fair game especially when they are up to no good. While this forum does tend to focus on the negative in the DMV, maybe that’s because there are have been so many shenanigans in recent years.

[Anonymous]

Yes lots of messes in the club scene over last few years, for sure. Agree knowledge is good to have when choosing a club…but it’s like you’re rooting against kids and teams. That’s sad.

“Fair game”. Wow.
“Scram” ha. Okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

Agree that using what many are assuming are non-eligible players was the director's choice.
Disagree that the U-19 would have qualified without the internationals. All of H's top players and some second tier players had already left for other clubs. Using the internationals was an act of desperation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

Agree that using what many are assuming are non-eligible players was the director's choice.
Disagree that the U-19 would have qualified without the internationals. All of H's top players and some second tier players had already left for other clubs. Using the internationals was an act of desperation.

intrigued about these South African players
how old were they?
what made them so good?
how do we make our daughters play like them?
were they on a study abroad program that coincided with NIQ?
or did Trump and Elon give them refuge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

Agree that using what many are assuming are non-eligible players was the director's choice.
Disagree that the U-19 would have qualified without the internationals. All of H's top players and some second tier players had already left for other clubs. Using the internationals was an act of desperation.

intrigued about these South African players
how old were they?
what made them so good?
how do we make our daughters play like them?
were they on a study abroad program that coincided with NIQ?
or did Trump and Elon give them refuge?

Obviously there’s more to this scenario but it sounds like Hustle pulled a fast one at NITQs and got caught. Since it seems there’s been a lot of players deserting H club in the last few months, it could’ve been a number of disgruntled parent/players who blew the whistle. Lesson to be learned: Don’t cheat - you will get caught….eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

Agree that using what many are assuming are non-eligible players was the director's choice.
Disagree that the U-19 would have qualified without the internationals. All of H's top players and some second tier players had already left for other clubs. Using the internationals was an act of desperation.

intrigued about these South African players
how old were they?
what made them so good?
how do we make our daughters play like them?
were they on a study abroad program that coincided with NIQ?
or did Trump and Elon give them refuge?

Obviously there’s more to this scenario but it sounds like Hustle pulled a fast one at NITQs and got caught. Since it seems there’s been a lot of players deserting H club in the last few months, it could’ve been a number of disgruntled parent/players who blew the whistle. Lesson to be learned: Don’t cheat - you will get caught….eventually.

USA Field Hockey is supposed to be checking the registration of players and that they are affiliated with the club they are playing for at the u16 and u19 level. Is it possible these girls were affiliated with Hustle for NITQ but no longer available for NIT? Maybe the coach recruited them just to qualify, but if they were members of USA Field Hockey and affiliated with Hustle then that seems OK. Maybe it means the USA Field Hockey rules need to be reviewed. But if Hustle operated within the rules then there is no reason to continue this conversation.

I am not affiliated with Hustle in anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

The results at NIT, without the internationals, tells a different story.
Maybe they would have qualified, maybe not.
Obviously, the club director had doubts.

Don't be an a$$hole. Their results weren't that diff from a lot of local clubs. And these girls worked their butts off. The club that the Arlington Coach funneled people to didn't do that great, either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

Agree that using what many are assuming are non-eligible players was the director's choice.
Disagree that the U-19 would have qualified without the internationals. All of H's top players and some second tier players had already left for other clubs. Using the internationals was an act of desperation.

intrigued about these South African players
how old were they?
what made them so good?
how do we make our daughters play like them?
were they on a study abroad program that coincided with NIQ?
or did Trump and Elon give them refuge?

Obviously there’s more to this scenario but it sounds like Hustle pulled a fast one at NITQs and got caught. Since it seems there’s been a lot of players deserting H club in the last few months, it could’ve been a number of disgruntled parent/players who blew the whistle. Lesson to be learned: Don’t cheat - you will get caught….eventually.

You have no idea what you're talking about. No one cheated.

[Anonymous]

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Many families are unhappy at a lot of clubs. Just look at this entire thread going back however long. And it is absolutely fair to find a better fit or culture or whatever. That is NOT exactly truthful about what happened here. And you know it.

While a couple of families left with coaching changes, one parent coordinated the departure of several other families (mostly associated with one HS program) to another club and did so in return for recruiting. This was well understood. I’m not defending Hustle’s director or how they handled recruiting. But the coordination of families leaving to go to another club, especially when that family (& some of others who left with them) was promoted and given preference for everything was not cool. To the club. To the longtime teammates. That same coach was still reaching out to hustle families just before they disbanded. That may be the politics of it and if that’s how some people choose to operate, fine. But it definitely did not sit well with many. And I happen to agree.

This is patently absurd - just because some other clubs do a much better overall job with recruiting support does not mean that there was some sort of quid pro quo for this kid or their family. Hustel simply underperformed [and lets be honest, they often did more than just underperform, they actively and threateningly used "recruiting" as a way to try and control the kids and their families.] Maybe it is your ptsd talking, but it seems you don't realize or understand that there are clubs and coaches that actually do help significantly with recruiting and do it for the sake of the kids? It certainly works that way at Warhawks, Freedom, Wolves, and Next Level

Patently absurd and yet accurate. Yes, you are right that people had problems with the club and I'm not defending the Director at all (but they all do including Wolves, NL, Metro - read upthread). But the promise of recruiting was def an issue here and that is from the horse's mouth. I have no issue with pple leaving. I DO have a problem with a coordinated exit led primarily by one person (and by families who should have had NO COMPLAINTS with how they were treated, which was far and above a lot of others) and then screwing teammates and other coaches. But that's not a FH issue but rather one of integrity and character and so I can see why those people (and if that's you, you) would be defensive about that. But this is beyond a "field hockey club" issue and I'm not going to beat a dead horse here. You think it's business as usual. Fine. You will not convince me that was not a sh--y thing. I will also say that behavior has continued -as communicated to the Husl families- by at least one of the families who left: bad mouthing, trying to peel off other players, etc. before Husl closed shop. So yeah, I'm not ok with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I'm curious to know: Were those visiting South African players that H used in NITQ registered with USA field hockey? If not, that was so wrong--taking a spot in Nationals away from some other team.

Honestly does it matter at this point? Hustle isn’t a club anymore and NITs are over.

Will it change anything- obviously, no. But if that is what that club did, then shame on them and they deserved what happened to them.

Hey let’s all be careful here. There are young girls involved, and they had no choice /involvement in the matter. Guesting South African players was a choice the club director likely chose…Not the team/girls. These girls did not “deserve” anything. They were just playing the game they love, and working hard. They would have made NIT either way. Saw this group play at NIT and it was a talented group.

Nobody “deserves” anything. Let’s keep it kind and humane here. This is a sport, not a war zone.

The results at NIT, without the internationals, tells a different story.
Maybe they would have qualified, maybe not.
Obviously, the club director had doubts.

Don't be an a$$hole. Their results weren't that diff from a lot of local clubs. And these girls worked their butts off. The club that the Arlington Coach funneled people to didn't do that great, either.

For U19, yes we did. They won their bracket and played in the A pool. H came in 3rd of 4 teams in their bracket and then in last place in the C pool. Big difference