Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

She initiates the porn discussion , but then screams “you’re trying to show me porn” when it’s just a pic and video of a family holding their newborn baby.

She screams sh, after she willingly invites Baldoni and Heath to her trailer, while she is pumping (which would mean she is partially unclothed and a breast (or both) would be visible during the discussion. But she claims SH because she felt Heath stared at her too long while she was pumping!

And so forth.

Blake stoked flirtiness and inappropriate behavior, and then tried to trap both Heath and Baldoni in to reacting to her flirting. No woman, except for perhaps you if you are a woman, would read her exchanges as innocent and joking. Perhaps fun, but saturated with flirtatious innuendo. There was no innocent banter in her cattle calls.

“If perhaps you are not a woman…”

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Rules for thee but not for me. All I hear you saying is Blake got to make all the rules. She got to decide when using sexually charged language was ok and when it was not. There’s not a jury on earth that’s going to agree with this take. Also, you’re misrepresenting what happened with the porn conversation. Blake said she didn’t want the scene to look like porn and that she had never seen porn. He responded to her comment and said that’s great b/c it’s a huge problem in our culture. He did not share it with the crew. I’m not sure where you’re getting this stuff from but you’re bending the facts to make them more agreeable to Blake.

I don't think Blake's objection to Baldoni's language was that it was "sexually charged." I think her issue was that it was objectifying or misogynist.

Her objection to the "sexy" comment is that it seemed to her like he was calling her sexy. She wasn't worried he was hitting on her, she was bothered because she was at work and her job isn't just to look sexy but to portray a character. She was bothered by his focus on her character's sexiness in that moment as opposed to the broader scene they were shooting.

Her objection to the comments about childbirth was that they were unnecessarily judgmental and stereotyping. Baldoni saying it's "not normal" to give birth with a hospital gown on is a weird judgment of the many women who do in fact where hospital gowns during childbirth. Heath saying that it was "weird" for Blake not to want to look at his wife's birth video is shaming Blake for having different boundaries around childbirth than Jamey or his wife do. In both instances, these two men are imposing their attitudes and preferences about childbirth on Blake. Not on the scene itself, but on Blake personally. There is a professional way in which they could have discussed why they thought it made artistic sense to have Blake's character be nude or topless in the childbirth scene. Instead, they chose to personalize it, talk about their wives as though they are representative of all women, and cast blanket judgement on any woman who might have a different opinion or attitude toward childbirth in general. It was unprofessional. Blake didn't think they were hitting on her.

Her objections to the actor chosen to play the doctor and to Sarowitz being present during the childbirth scene were similarly not about thinking these men were hitting on her. Rather, she felt objectified to have Baldoni/Heath pushing nudity in the scene and then at the same time bringing in men presented as friends to the set. As with the "sexy" comment, it felt like the goal of the scene had shifted from portraying her character's life and emotional experience to displaying her (as in Blake's) body for public consumption.

Similarly, her objection to Heath looking at her while topless was not that she thought Heath was trying to hit on her but simply that she felt exposed and he was not respectful of that boundary. She was having makeup removed and/or nursing, things she can't abruptly stop to get dressed, so she expected Heath to be sensitive to that. Baldoni and Heath seemed to think that if *they* were comfortable seeing Blake nursing or topless, that she had no reason to feel uncomfortable. But the point is it's her body and she should get to decide when and to whom she exposes it. It's about consent, not a sexually charged atmosphere.

Steve was not on set. Blake was clearly insecure about everything, so Baldoni said she looked sexy, a word she first used, to make her look better. Blake cannot be trusted to recall any situation accurately, so I doubt Heath used the word weird. Blake shouldn't have invited Heath to her dressing room when she was topless (seriously, what a freak).

Gaslight, gaslight, alternative universe and gaslight.

This is what you do. No one is buying. Go back to Reddit please.

You're using buzzwords you don't know the meaning of, lol. How am I "gaslighting" by saying Steve Sarowitz wasn't on set on the day Blake claims he was?

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

What are you talking about? This is all in her complaint. It notes that on the day of the birth scene, Baldoni and Heath “suddenly pressured Ms. Luvely to simulate full nudity, despite no mention of of nudity in this scene in the script….Mr. Baldoni insisted to Ms. Lively that women give birth naked, and that his wife had ‘ripped her clothes off during labor.’ He claimed it was ‘not normal’ for women to remain in their hospital gowns while giving birth. Ms. Lively disagreed, but felt forced into a compromise that she would be naked from below the chest down.” (FAC paras. 87-88.)

Paragraph 96 of her FAC is one of several that talk about Baldoni talking to Lively (unwillingly on her part) about his pron: “Mr. Baldoni and Mr. Heath often spoke of their ‘previous {pron} addiction.’ Mr. Baldoni would often reference pron to Ms. Lively. Hoping to shut the subject down, she said to him privately that she had never seen it. Later, when Mr. Baldoni was once again referencing his experiences with pron, he revealed I. Front of other cast and crew that Ms. Lively had never ‘seen pron.’. It was an incredible invasion of her privacy to discuss any aspect of her intimate life with the cast and crew, much less reveal something that she had only told Mr. Baldoni to try to get him to stop talking about the subject with her.”

It’s right there in her complaint, but I guess you only read his.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Rules for thee but not for me. All I hear you saying is Blake got to make all the rules. She got to decide when using sexually charged language was ok and when it was not. There’s not a jury on earth that’s going to agree with this take. Also, you’re misrepresenting what happened with the porn conversation. Blake said she didn’t want the scene to look like porn and that she had never seen porn. He responded to her comment and said that’s great b/c it’s a huge problem in our culture. He did not share it with the crew. I’m not sure where you’re getting this stuff from but you’re bending the facts to make them more agreeable to Blake.

I don't think Blake's objection to Baldoni's language was that it was "sexually charged." I think her issue was that it was objectifying or misogynist.

Her objection to the "sexy" comment is that it seemed to her like he was calling her sexy. She wasn't worried he was hitting on her, she was bothered because she was at work and her job isn't just to look sexy but to portray a character. She was bothered by his focus on her character's sexiness in that moment as opposed to the broader scene they were shooting.

Her objection to the comments about childbirth was that they were unnecessarily judgmental and stereotyping. Baldoni saying it's "not normal" to give birth with a hospital gown on is a weird judgment of the many women who do in fact where hospital gowns during childbirth. Heath saying that it was "weird" for Blake not to want to look at his wife's birth video is shaming Blake for having different boundaries around childbirth than Jamey or his wife do. In both instances, these two men are imposing their attitudes and preferences about childbirth on Blake. Not on the scene itself, but on Blake personally. There is a professional way in which they could have discussed why they thought it made artistic sense to have Blake's character be nude or topless in the childbirth scene. Instead, they chose to personalize it, talk about their wives as though they are representative of all women, and cast blanket judgement on any woman who might have a different opinion or attitude toward childbirth in general. It was unprofessional. Blake didn't think they were hitting on her.

Her objections to the actor chosen to play the doctor and to Sarowitz being present during the childbirth scene were similarly not about thinking these men were hitting on her. Rather, she felt objectified to have Baldoni/Heath pushing nudity in the scene and then at the same time bringing in men presented as friends to the set. As with the "sexy" comment, it felt like the goal of the scene had shifted from portraying her character's life and emotional experience to displaying her (as in Blake's) body for public consumption.

Similarly, her objection to Heath looking at her while topless was not that she thought Heath was trying to hit on her but simply that she felt exposed and he was not respectful of that boundary. She was having makeup removed and/or nursing, things she can't abruptly stop to get dressed, so she expected Heath to be sensitive to that. Baldoni and Heath seemed to think that if *they* were comfortable seeing Blake nursing or topless, that she had no reason to feel uncomfortable. But the point is it's her body and she should get to decide when and to whom she exposes it. It's about consent, not a sexually charged atmosphere.

Steve was not on set. Blake was clearly insecure about everything, so Baldoni said she looked sexy, a word she first used, to make her look better. Blake cannot be trusted to recall any situation accurately, so I doubt Heath used the word weird. Blake shouldn't have invited Heath to her dressing room when she was topless (seriously, what a freak).

He was on set that day, he just arrived after the birth scene was filmed. But Blake didn't know that at the time -- she knew he was scheduled to be on set that day and because of Baldoni and Heath's inappropriate requests regarding nudity for the scene, she became worried he was there for that scene and it made her feel particularly exposed.

Heath has not denied using the word weird.

Baldoni has not denied saying it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns while pregnant.

It's not clear exactly how the incident with Heath in the makeup trailer happened. Baldoni's timeline uses the passive voice -- it says Heath knocked on the door and "is invited in." It doesn't say Lively invited him in -- there were multiple people in there. Also, trailers are laid out weird. An assistant could have invited Heath in without him seeing Lively. Both sides agree that Lively asked Heath to avert his eyes while they spoke and that he agreed to do so, so there was obviously some kind of discussion after he came in and there doesn't seem to be an allegation that Heath was looking at her topless during that conversation. So either he had it with someone else, or from behind a partition, or Lively maybe temporarily covered herself when he came in and then agreed to let him stay while she proceeded to have makeup removed as long as he looked away. No one has alleged that Lively invited him in to speak to her while topless -- Baldoni and Heath don't even claim this.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Rules for thee but not for me. All I hear you saying is Blake got to make all the rules. She got to decide when using sexually charged language was ok and when it was not. There’s not a jury on earth that’s going to agree with this take. Also, you’re misrepresenting what happened with the porn conversation. Blake said she didn’t want the scene to look like porn and that she had never seen porn. He responded to her comment and said that’s great b/c it’s a huge problem in our culture. He did not share it with the crew. I’m not sure where you’re getting this stuff from but you’re bending the facts to make them more agreeable to Blake.

I don't think Blake's objection to Baldoni's language was that it was "sexually charged." I think her issue was that it was objectifying or misogynist.

Her objection to the "sexy" comment is that it seemed to her like he was calling her sexy. She wasn't worried he was hitting on her, she was bothered because she was at work and her job isn't just to look sexy but to portray a character. She was bothered by his focus on her character's sexiness in that moment as opposed to the broader scene they were shooting.

Her objection to the comments about childbirth was that they were unnecessarily judgmental and stereotyping. Baldoni saying it's "not normal" to give birth with a hospital gown on is a weird judgment of the many women who do in fact where hospital gowns during childbirth. Heath saying that it was "weird" for Blake not to want to look at his wife's birth video is shaming Blake for having different boundaries around childbirth than Jamey or his wife do. In both instances, these two men are imposing their attitudes and preferences about childbirth on Blake. Not on the scene itself, but on Blake personally. There is a professional way in which they could have discussed why they thought it made artistic sense to have Blake's character be nude or topless in the childbirth scene. Instead, they chose to personalize it, talk about their wives as though they are representative of all women, and cast blanket judgement on any woman who might have a different opinion or attitude toward childbirth in general. It was unprofessional. Blake didn't think they were hitting on her.

Her objections to the actor chosen to play the doctor and to Sarowitz being present during the childbirth scene were similarly not about thinking these men were hitting on her. Rather, she felt objectified to have Baldoni/Heath pushing nudity in the scene and then at the same time bringing in men presented as friends to the set. As with the "sexy" comment, it felt like the goal of the scene had shifted from portraying her character's life and emotional experience to displaying her (as in Blake's) body for public consumption.

Similarly, her objection to Heath looking at her while topless was not that she thought Heath was trying to hit on her but simply that she felt exposed and he was not respectful of that boundary. She was having makeup removed and/or nursing, things she can't abruptly stop to get dressed, so she expected Heath to be sensitive to that. Baldoni and Heath seemed to think that if *they* were comfortable seeing Blake nursing or topless, that she had no reason to feel uncomfortable. But the point is it's her body and she should get to decide when and to whom she exposes it. It's about consent, not a sexually charged atmosphere.

Steve was not on set. Blake was clearly insecure about everything, so Baldoni said she looked sexy, a word she first used, to make her look better. Blake cannot be trusted to recall any situation accurately, so I doubt Heath used the word weird. Blake shouldn't have invited Heath to her dressing room when she was topless (seriously, what a freak).

He was on set that day, he just arrived after the birth scene was filmed. But Blake didn't know that at the time -- she knew he was scheduled to be on set that day and because of Baldoni and Heath's inappropriate requests regarding nudity for the scene, she became worried he was there for that scene and it made her feel particularly exposed.

Heath has not denied using the word weird.

Baldoni has not denied saying it's "not normal" for women to wear hospital gowns while pregnant.

It's not clear exactly how the incident with Heath in the makeup trailer happened. Baldoni's timeline uses the passive voice -- it says Heath knocked on the door and "is invited in." It doesn't say Lively invited him in -- there were multiple people in there. Also, trailers are laid out weird. An assistant could have invited Heath in without him seeing Lively. Both sides agree that Lively asked Heath to avert his eyes while they spoke and that he agreed to do so, so there was obviously some kind of discussion after he came in and there doesn't seem to be an allegation that Heath was looking at her topless during that conversation. So either he had it with someone else, or from behind a partition, or Lively maybe temporarily covered herself when he came in and then agreed to let him stay while she proceeded to have makeup removed as long as he looked away. No one has alleged that Lively invited him in to speak to her while topless -- Baldoni and Heath don't even claim this.

Dp. This is all twisting and turning, trying to make something of nothing while the entire world can see what happened, and that Blake is wrong here. I appreciate the efforts but it’s just over. Move on and try to help your client

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

Also perfectly stated.

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Anonymous wrote:I fully believe Blake/her lawyer threatened Taylor's side by saying they would release 10 years of text messages. What I'm curious about is how brazen they were in their language when they asked. Did they flat-out make that threat? Or did they ask it in some roundabout way -- and if so, how? Obviously we can't know right now, but I just want to speculate.

I believe Blake would do this but I do not believe her lawyer would. He has a great reputation and I simply don't believe he'd engage in that, especially for a PR advantage.

It would be especially stupid to do this to Taylor's lawyer, who is also very well respected. I just don't believe that Gottlieb is that reckless or that he would sacrifice a reputation he's spent decades building for Blake Lively. It makes no sense. I'm going to need extremely firm evidence before I buy it. Like Baldridge swearing to it. I certainly am not going to take the word of the Daily Mail via a source who says Scott Swift found out from [someone, we don't know who] and then told Freedman. That's too many unreliable entities passing on information that doesn't pass the smell test for me.

I do believe Blake asked Taylor to delete texts.

Sometimes people make poor decisions. Regardless, Freedman will expose the truth when ready.

But a signed affidavit is a good sign that it occurred.

The affidavit only attests to the fact that a person who knows Swift told Freedman that it happened. It doesn't even say this person knows Swift's attorney or that they were present for the conversation between Gottlieb and Swift's attorney. So the affidavit can be 100% true (a source who knows Swift did tell Freedman those things) and that does not make the source's allegation that Gottlieb threatened Swift's attorney true. The source has NOT signed an affidavit and has not even revealed themselves publicly -- the Daily Mail and Page Six stories saying it's Scott Swift do not even quote Scott Swift or say he is their source for this info. They both say that a "source" told the Daily Mail it was Scott Swift.

Forgive me if I'm not ready to trust the word of multiple layers of anonymous sourcing here. If Gottlieb threatened Swift's lawyer, I presume Freedman will push to have Gottlieb sanctioned and also potentially move to protect evidence, and that will require the parties who were actually present for that conversation, and for any written record of the conversation, to come out. THAT I will trust. Not an anonymous source telling the daily mail that Scott Swift told Freedman that someone else told Scott that Gottlieb said XYZ to Taylor's lawyer. I mean come on. Use your brain.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

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Np. Not a green light to not respond for hours and then to say you’re going to miss your wife. Quite the opposite

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

No one, including Blake, is alleging the birth video is porn. Her complaint clearly states that she and her assistant initially *thought* they were being shown porn because they saw a dim video with a woman who appeared to be naked with her legs spread. Heath then explained that it was his wife's birth video. Blake does not say the birth video was porn.

And yeah, if a guy started showing me a dimly lit video of a naked woman, I would probably think it was porn if I had no other context. That seems totally reasonable. Why on earth didn't Heath ask first? It is insane to me that he didn't.

It is sexual harassment to show a colleague nude videos of your wife without your colleague's prior consent, and then to call your colleague "weird" for not being eager to see this video, especially if this is just one of a number of incidents involving surprise nudity and violations of consent in the workplace.

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Anonymous wrote:I fully believe Blake/her lawyer threatened Taylor's side by saying they would release 10 years of text messages. What I'm curious about is how brazen they were in their language when they asked. Did they flat-out make that threat? Or did they ask it in some roundabout way -- and if so, how? Obviously we can't know right now, but I just want to speculate.

I believe Blake would do this but I do not believe her lawyer would. He has a great reputation and I simply don't believe he'd engage in that, especially for a PR advantage.

It would be especially stupid to do this to Taylor's lawyer, who is also very well respected. I just don't believe that Gottlieb is that reckless or that he would sacrifice a reputation he's spent decades building for Blake Lively. It makes no sense. I'm going to need extremely firm evidence before I buy it. Like Baldridge swearing to it. I certainly am not going to take the word of the Daily Mail via a source who says Scott Swift found out from [someone, we don't know who] and then told Freedman. That's too many unreliable entities passing on information that doesn't pass the smell test for me.

I do believe Blake asked Taylor to delete texts.

Sometimes people make poor decisions. Regardless, Freedman will expose the truth when ready.

But a signed affidavit is a good sign that it occurred.

The affidavit only attests to the fact that a person who knows Swift told Freedman that it happened. It doesn't even say this person knows Swift's attorney or that they were present for the conversation between Gottlieb and Swift's attorney. So the affidavit can be 100% true (a source who knows Swift did tell Freedman those things) and that does not make the source's allegation that Gottlieb threatened Swift's attorney true. The source has NOT signed an affidavit and has not even revealed themselves publicly -- the Daily Mail and Page Six stories saying it's Scott Swift do not even quote Scott Swift or say he is their source for this info. They both say that a "source" told the Daily Mail it was Scott Swift.

Forgive me if I'm not ready to trust the word of multiple layers of anonymous sourcing here. If Gottlieb threatened Swift's lawyer, I presume Freedman will push to have Gottlieb sanctioned and also potentially move to protect evidence, and that will require the parties who were actually present for that conversation, and for any written record of the conversation, to come out. THAT I will trust. Not an anonymous source telling the daily mail that Scott Swift told Freedman that someone else told Scott that Gottlieb said XYZ to Taylor's lawyer. I mean come on. Use your brain.

What anon source? Pretty clear it was Scott, no?

And Daily Mail wouldn’t run it and risk the wrath of TS if the source wasnt credible and they hadn’t seen enough to get comfortable with it. Other outlets wouldn’t have picked it up either unless they had confidence.

Also in his affidavit to the court, freedman had agreed to identify the source if requested. Again, this wouldn’t have happened if the source wasn’t credible.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

No one, including Blake, is alleging the birth video is porn. Her complaint clearly states that she and her assistant initially *thought* they were being shown porn because they saw a dim video with a woman who appeared to be naked with her legs spread. Heath then explained that it was his wife's birth video. Blake does not say the birth video was porn.

And yeah, if a guy started showing me a dimly lit video of a naked woman, I would probably think it was porn if I had no other context. That seems totally reasonable. Why on earth didn't Heath ask first? It is insane to me that he didn't.

It is sexual harassment to show a colleague nude videos of your wife without your colleague's prior consent, and then to call your colleague "weird" for not being eager to see this video, especially if this is just one of a number of incidents involving surprise nudity and violations of consent in the workplace.

Dp. No other context? Hmm other than she’s an actress being paid $3m to play a role where she’s in an intimate relationship? That seems like context to me. Unless she’s literally brain dead.