Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

She initiates the porn discussion , but then screams “you’re trying to show me porn” when it’s just a pic and video of a family holding their newborn baby.

She screams sh, after she willingly invites Baldoni and Heath to her trailer, while she is pumping (which would mean she is partially unclothed and a breast (or both) would be visible during the discussion. But she claims SH because she felt Heath stared at her too long while she was pumping!

And so forth.

Blake stoked flirtiness and inappropriate behavior, and then tried to trap both Heath and Baldoni in to reacting to her flirting. No woman, except for perhaps you if you are a woman, would read her exchanges as innocent and joking. Perhaps fun, but saturated with flirtatious innuendo. There was no innocent banter in her cattle calls.

You are combining and twisting a bunch of different facts to fit a totally made up narrative.

Blake did not initiate a conversation about porn with Heath. She didn't ask to see the birth video. Heath showed it to her with no warning. And no, it was not a "pic" of a family holding a newborn. It was a moving video that Heath started to play before Lively stopped him because she didn't know what it was and it looked inappropriate to her. And no one is disputing that Heath's wife was nude in the video -- that's the whole point, Heath and Baldoni wanted Blake to see a woman giving birth nude, so Baldoni told Heath to show Blake the video and Heath decided to do so without telling Blake what it was or asking her permission.

You are combining all the stuff regarding Blake pumping into one incidence to make it seem like she said "please come into my trailer while I'm pumping!" and then accused them of SH for doing it. That's not what happened. On one occasion Blake informed Baldoni she was pumping while asking if he wanted to run lines (she may have been fully covered in this instance, as there's no indication she was nursing or having makeup applied or removed). Separately, Heath requested a meeting with Blake when she was BOTH pumping or nursing (unclear) AND having makeup removed, necessitating her to be unclothed. Blake or someone on her team allowed him in the trailer but then Blake explicitly asked Heath not to look at her while they spoke because she was exposed. So these are two different incidents and the one Blake is complaining about is the one where Heath requested the meeting and where she was pressured into meeting at that time (because of timing) and where Heath agreed to avert his eyes during the conversation. She is not alleging that anything happened on the other occasion where she was pumping and offered to run lines (and in fact we don't even know if she was unclothed at all at that time -- it's possible to pump while wearing a covering and many women do that at work).

BL supporters get accused of "twisting" facts on this thread all the time but increasingly I think the problem is that the JB supporters simply don't know the facts, have only read or listened to recitations on Tik Tok that conflate multiple incidents or try to "read between the lines" to infer things that no one is even alleging happened. I'm so tired of hearing that Blake claims the birth video was porn (she does not and never has) or that she invited Baldoni or Heath into her trailer while she was undressed (there is zero evidence this is the case and nothing in Baldoni's complaint or timeline indicate this EVER happened).

You all just believe what you want to believe, you have no real interest in what actually happened here. When the facts lean a little in your favor, you make up extra stuff to make it seem overwhelmingly favorable or you draw these huge leaps in logic and then claim your speculation is factual. When other people point out inconsistencies or undisputed facts that work in BL's favor, you claim people are twisting the facts.

I really hope some of you are just very young. If these are adults, and god forbid lawyers, making these arguments, I just feel sad for mankind.

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Anonymous wrote:I fully believe Blake/her lawyer threatened Taylor's side by saying they would release 10 years of text messages. What I'm curious about is how brazen they were in their language when they asked. Did they flat-out make that threat? Or did they ask it in some roundabout way -- and if so, how? Obviously we can't know right now, but I just want to speculate.

Lawyer here. I’m curious too. I can only guess it was subtle and round about, yet perfectly clear. Blake’s lawyers are capable of course but they lack common sense

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.

You are saying that a woman who used bawdy language in texts or emails was expecting come ons and inappropriate work behavior and invited same. You are blaming Lively for everything Baldoni did to her. I think that’s wrong. I strongly disagree with you.

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+1

Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

She initiates the porn discussion , but then screams “you’re trying to show me porn” when it’s just a pic and video of a family holding their newborn baby.

She screams sh, after she willingly invites Baldoni and Heath to her trailer, while she is pumping (which would mean she is partially unclothed and a breast (or both) would be visible during the discussion. But she claims SH because she felt Heath stared at her too long while she was pumping!

And so forth.

Blake stoked flirtiness and inappropriate behavior, and then tried to trap both Heath and Baldoni in to reacting to her flirting. No woman, except for perhaps you if you are a woman, would read her exchanges as innocent and joking. Perhaps fun, but saturated with flirtatious innuendo. There was no innocent banter in her cattle calls.

You are combining and twisting a bunch of different facts to fit a totally made up narrative.

Blake did not initiate a conversation about porn with Heath. She didn't ask to see the birth video. Heath showed it to her with no warning. And no, it was not a "pic" of a family holding a newborn. It was a moving video that Heath started to play before Lively stopped him because she didn't know what it was and it looked inappropriate to her. And no one is disputing that Heath's wife was nude in the video -- that's the whole point, Heath and Baldoni wanted Blake to see a woman giving birth nude, so Baldoni told Heath to show Blake the video and Heath decided to do so without telling Blake what it was or asking her permission.

You are combining all the stuff regarding Blake pumping into one incidence to make it seem like she said "please come into my trailer while I'm pumping!" and then accused them of SH for doing it. That's not what happened. On one occasion Blake informed Baldoni she was pumping while asking if he wanted to run lines (she may have been fully covered in this instance, as there's no indication she was nursing or having makeup applied or removed). Separately, Heath requested a meeting with Blake when she was BOTH pumping or nursing (unclear) AND having makeup removed, necessitating her to be unclothed. Blake or someone on her team allowed him in the trailer but then Blake explicitly asked Heath not to look at her while they spoke because she was exposed. So these are two different incidents and the one Blake is complaining about is the one where Heath requested the meeting and where she was pressured into meeting at that time (because of timing) and where Heath agreed to avert his eyes during the conversation. She is not alleging that anything happened on the other occasion where she was pumping and offered to run lines (and in fact we don't even know if she was unclothed at all at that time -- it's possible to pump while wearing a covering and many women do that at work).

BL supporters get accused of "twisting" facts on this thread all the time but increasingly I think the problem is that the JB supporters simply don't know the facts, have only read or listened to recitations on Tik Tok that conflate multiple incidents or try to "read between the lines" to infer things that no one is even alleging happened. I'm so tired of hearing that Blake claims the birth video was porn (she does not and never has) or that she invited Baldoni or Heath into her trailer while she was undressed (there is zero evidence this is the case and nothing in Baldoni's complaint or timeline indicate this EVER happened).

You all just believe what you want to believe, you have no real interest in what actually happened here. When the facts lean a little in your favor, you make up extra stuff to make it seem overwhelmingly favorable or you draw these huge leaps in logic and then claim your speculation is factual. When other people point out inconsistencies or undisputed facts that work in BL's favor, you claim people are twisting the facts.

I really hope some of you are just very young. If these are adults, and god forbid lawyers, making these arguments, I just feel sad for mankind.

Dp. I can’t follow all this blather, and I guess that’s the point (paid by the word?) but in what world does a woman who sends texts like ‘ballsy and spicy but never with teeth… is my love language’ (and worse) suddenly become too sensitive to see a video of a woman giving birth? Even if she did think it was something else for a moment, how does that change anything?

It’s not SH. And there’s no retaliation either.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.

You are saying that a woman who used bawdy language in texts or emails was expecting come ons and inappropriate work behavior and invited same. You are blaming Lively for everything Baldoni did to her. I think that’s wrong. I strongly disagree with you.

Right on time, as always. ‘I disagree’. ‘I see things differently’.

She was not subject to come ons. That’s a lie. If anything, she was flirty with Baldoni and crossed the line herself (spicy and ballsy is my love language, but never with teeth). And as far as inappropriate behavior, so far nothing has been shown to be inappropriate never mind legal SH.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

DP

Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.

You are saying that a woman who used bawdy language in texts or emails was expecting come ons and inappropriate work behavior and invited same. You are blaming Lively for everything Baldoni did to her. I think that’s wrong. I strongly disagree with you.

Seems to me like she wanted people to hit on her and was upset when they didn’t. She is a very vain and insecure woman.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

Baloney. And you know it.

If any married woman said this to a co-worker, let alone our supervisor, our husbands would correctly call us out for flirting with that co-worker.

Moreover, if we shared with any of our girlfriends or co-workers that we had said this, they would also support the same line of thought.

Ask any stranger. Most would assume the same.

Blake stoked flirtatious behavior and Baldoni read it from a mile away. So does everyone else but you, who happens to be a Lively supporter.

No one here is that dumb. And no jurors would be that dumb either.

Dp. No one is that dumb, agree. Blake is the one who used flirty language and invited people in to see her. Baldoni repeatedly tried to deflect and placate her.

These two posters are hilarious. It’s every day with the long winded multi paragraph analyses of legal minutiae (somewhat mentioned it’s an attempt to rig SEO), twisting of facts, and then the ‘well, I just see it differently’ and then of course the partner who chimes quickly with ‘oh yes, good point’ or ‘I agree!’

It’s all very obvious. As were the initial desperate efforts to get the entire thread shut down.

“omg people are using their words to disagree with my lousy opinions and I can’t deal with it” followed soon after by conspiracies re how they must be paid bots etc for the 300th time in this thread. Nope, I just disagree with you and find most of your opinions, which blame women for their own sexual harassment, distasteful.

I wonder if any of your minds will change if Lively does show evidence that Baldoni paid for a smear and that much of the negative online commentary about Lively that started in August was bought and paid for by Baldoni and Wayfarer. I suspect you will just say she deserved it, even though this would show that he lied about the smear, and that he really did want her to be buried like Hailey Bieber in the example he gave.

I don’t think you’re a bot. I think you’re a real person. And I don’t blame women for SH. But I do blame people who shamelessly lie and manipulate.

You are saying that a woman who used bawdy language in texts or emails was expecting come ons and inappropriate work behavior and invited same. You are blaming Lively for everything Baldoni did to her. I think that’s wrong. I strongly disagree with you.

DP. Please explain. You’re saying it’s okay for a woman to use bawdy and sexually charged language in her communications with co workers? Wouldn’t that be SH according to the view point you’ve taken?

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

She initiates the porn discussion , but then screams “you’re trying to show me porn” when it’s just a pic and video of a family holding their newborn baby.

She screams sh, after she willingly invites Baldoni and Heath to her trailer, while she is pumping (which would mean she is partially unclothed and a breast (or both) would be visible during the discussion. But she claims SH because she felt Heath stared at her too long while she was pumping!

And so forth.

Blake stoked flirtiness and inappropriate behavior, and then tried to trap both Heath and Baldoni in to reacting to her flirting. No woman, except for perhaps you if you are a woman, would read her exchanges as innocent and joking. Perhaps fun, but saturated with flirtatious innuendo. There was no innocent banter in her cattle calls.

You are combining and twisting a bunch of different facts to fit a totally made up narrative.

Blake did not initiate a conversation about porn with Heath. She didn't ask to see the birth video. Heath showed it to her with no warning. And no, it was not a "pic" of a family holding a newborn. It was a moving video that Heath started to play before Lively stopped him because she didn't know what it was and it looked inappropriate to her. And no one is disputing that Heath's wife was nude in the video -- that's the whole point, Heath and Baldoni wanted Blake to see a woman giving birth nude, so Baldoni told Heath to show Blake the video and Heath decided to do so without telling Blake what it was or asking her permission.

You are combining all the stuff regarding Blake pumping into one incidence to make it seem like she said "please come into my trailer while I'm pumping!" and then accused them of SH for doing it. That's not what happened. On one occasion Blake informed Baldoni she was pumping while asking if he wanted to run lines (she may have been fully covered in this instance, as there's no indication she was nursing or having makeup applied or removed). Separately, Heath requested a meeting with Blake when she was BOTH pumping or nursing (unclear) AND having makeup removed, necessitating her to be unclothed. Blake or someone on her team allowed him in the trailer but then Blake explicitly asked Heath not to look at her while they spoke because she was exposed. So these are two different incidents and the one Blake is complaining about is the one where Heath requested the meeting and where she was pressured into meeting at that time (because of timing) and where Heath agreed to avert his eyes during the conversation. She is not alleging that anything happened on the other occasion where she was pumping and offered to run lines (and in fact we don't even know if she was unclothed at all at that time -- it's possible to pump while wearing a covering and many women do that at work).

BL supporters get accused of "twisting" facts on this thread all the time but increasingly I think the problem is that the JB supporters simply don't know the facts, have only read or listened to recitations on Tik Tok that conflate multiple incidents or try to "read between the lines" to infer things that no one is even alleging happened. I'm so tired of hearing that Blake claims the birth video was porn (she does not and never has) or that she invited Baldoni or Heath into her trailer while she was undressed (there is zero evidence this is the case and nothing in Baldoni's complaint or timeline indicate this EVER happened).

You all just believe what you want to believe, you have no real interest in what actually happened here. When the facts lean a little in your favor, you make up extra stuff to make it seem overwhelmingly favorable or you draw these huge leaps in logic and then claim your speculation is factual. When other people point out inconsistencies or undisputed facts that work in BL's favor, you claim people are twisting the facts.

I really hope some of you are just very young. If these are adults, and god forbid lawyers, making these arguments, I just feel sad for mankind.

I agree with you, fwiw. Which these PPs apparently can’t deal with. Oh well. You’re right, though.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

No one, including Blake, is alleging the birth video is porn. Her complaint clearly states that she and her assistant initially *thought* they were being shown porn because they saw a dim video with a woman who appeared to be naked with her legs spread. Heath then explained that it was his wife's birth video. Blake does not say the birth video was porn.

And yeah, if a guy started showing me a dimly lit video of a naked woman, I would probably think it was porn if I had no other context. That seems totally reasonable. Why on earth didn't Heath ask first? It is insane to me that he didn't.

It is sexual harassment to show a colleague nude videos of your wife without your colleague's prior consent, and then to call your colleague "weird" for not being eager to see this video, especially if this is just one of a number of incidents involving surprise nudity and violations of consent in the workplace.

Dp. No other context? Hmm other than she’s an actress being paid $3m to play a role where she’s in an intimate relationship? That seems like context to me. Unless she’s literally brain dead.

So if an actress agrees to portray a character who is "in an intimate relationship," she is de facto consenting to being shown video of naked women whenever the director or a producer decides they want to do so, even if she's on a break?

Uh, go run that by an employment lawyer and then come back and tell me what they say. For fun.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

No one, including Blake, is alleging the birth video is porn. Her complaint clearly states that she and her assistant initially *thought* they were being shown porn because they saw a dim video with a woman who appeared to be naked with her legs spread. Heath then explained that it was his wife's birth video. Blake does not say the birth video was porn.

And yeah, if a guy started showing me a dimly lit video of a naked woman, I would probably think it was porn if I had no other context. That seems totally reasonable. Why on earth didn't Heath ask first? It is insane to me that he didn't.

It is sexual harassment to show a colleague nude videos of your wife without your colleague's prior consent, and then to call your colleague "weird" for not being eager to see this video, especially if this is just one of a number of incidents involving surprise nudity and violations of consent in the workplace.

Dp. No other context? Hmm other than she’s an actress being paid $3m to play a role where she’s in an intimate relationship? That seems like context to me. Unless she’s literally brain dead.

So if an actress agrees to portray a character who is "in an intimate relationship," she is de facto consenting to being shown video of naked women whenever the director or a producer decides they want to do so, even if she's on a break?

Uh, go run that by an employment lawyer and then come back and tell me what they say. For fun.

She wasn’t shown videos of naked women. She was shown ONE video of a birth (if that). That’s not porn and it’s not SH. Context matters. I’m a lawyer who has overseen employment claims in office environments actually and sorry, this is nothing, even for an office environment. SH has to be pervasive. This isn’t it.

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I think it's funny when people complain that Blake was paid $3 million for the movie so she shouldn't complain.

Her paycheck was less than 1% of the film's gross. Imagine if you were one of 2 or 3 key leads on a work project, and the project made the company $5 million, and you were paid $37,500 for the project. Because that's the equivalent scenario. The movie made $400 million and Blake's paycheck was .75% of that.

What was Baldoni's cut I wonder? Or is he just spending his entire cut on Freedman?

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Again misrepresenting the facts. None of that actually happened. Where are the receipts proving this scandalous take? Where are the witnesses? The only person so far who’s had witnesses come out and corroborate their take on the birthing scene is Justin. And as we covered over and over again, Blake initiated the porn conversation.

She initiates the porn discussion , but then screams “you’re trying to show me porn” when it’s just a pic and video of a family holding their newborn baby.

She screams sh, after she willingly invites Baldoni and Heath to her trailer, while she is pumping (which would mean she is partially unclothed and a breast (or both) would be visible during the discussion. But she claims SH because she felt Heath stared at her too long while she was pumping!

And so forth.

Blake stoked flirtiness and inappropriate behavior, and then tried to trap both Heath and Baldoni in to reacting to her flirting. No woman, except for perhaps you if you are a woman, would read her exchanges as innocent and joking. Perhaps fun, but saturated with flirtatious innuendo. There was no innocent banter in her cattle calls.

You are combining and twisting a bunch of different facts to fit a totally made up narrative.

Blake did not initiate a conversation about porn with Heath. She didn't ask to see the birth video. Heath showed it to her with no warning. And no, it was not a "pic" of a family holding a newborn. It was a moving video that Heath started to play before Lively stopped him because she didn't know what it was and it looked inappropriate to her. And no one is disputing that Heath's wife was nude in the video -- that's the whole point, Heath and Baldoni wanted Blake to see a woman giving birth nude, so Baldoni told Heath to show Blake the video and Heath decided to do so without telling Blake what it was or asking her permission.

You are combining all the stuff regarding Blake pumping into one incidence to make it seem like she said "please come into my trailer while I'm pumping!" and then accused them of SH for doing it. That's not what happened. On one occasion Blake informed Baldoni she was pumping while asking if he wanted to run lines (she may have been fully covered in this instance, as there's no indication she was nursing or having makeup applied or removed). Separately, Heath requested a meeting with Blake when she was BOTH pumping or nursing (unclear) AND having makeup removed, necessitating her to be unclothed. Blake or someone on her team allowed him in the trailer but then Blake explicitly asked Heath not to look at her while they spoke because she was exposed. So these are two different incidents and the one Blake is complaining about is the one where Heath requested the meeting and where she was pressured into meeting at that time (because of timing) and where Heath agreed to avert his eyes during the conversation. She is not alleging that anything happened on the other occasion where she was pumping and offered to run lines (and in fact we don't even know if she was unclothed at all at that time -- it's possible to pump while wearing a covering and many women do that at work).

BL supporters get accused of "twisting" facts on this thread all the time but increasingly I think the problem is that the JB supporters simply don't know the facts, have only read or listened to recitations on Tik Tok that conflate multiple incidents or try to "read between the lines" to infer things that no one is even alleging happened. I'm so tired of hearing that Blake claims the birth video was porn (she does not and never has) or that she invited Baldoni or Heath into her trailer while she was undressed (there is zero evidence this is the case and nothing in Baldoni's complaint or timeline indicate this EVER happened).

You all just believe what you want to believe, you have no real interest in what actually happened here. When the facts lean a little in your favor, you make up extra stuff to make it seem overwhelmingly favorable or you draw these huge leaps in logic and then claim your speculation is factual. When other people point out inconsistencies or undisputed facts that work in BL's favor, you claim people are twisting the facts.

I really hope some of you are just very young. If these are adults, and god forbid lawyers, making these arguments, I just feel sad for mankind.

I agree with you, fwiw. Which these PPs apparently can’t deal with. Oh well. You’re right, though.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's funny when people complain that Blake was paid $3 million for the movie so she shouldn't complain.

Her paycheck was less than 1% of the film's gross. Imagine if you were one of 2 or 3 key leads on a work project, and the project made the company $5 million, and you were paid $37,500 for the project. Because that's the equivalent scenario. The movie made $400 million and Blake's paycheck was .75% of that.

What was Baldoni's cut I wonder? Or is he just spending his entire cut on Freedman?

Baldoni didn’t accuse anyone of SH or being treated poorly on set, and run to the NYT to ruin people’s lives. See the difference? And yes, her being paid 3M to ACT will make a difference to a jury. Context matters.

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Speculating about the sexuality of an actor just because you don't like him or his wife is a very special brand of homophobia. Just stop. You can dislike Ryan, and Blake, without turning it into "oh he must be gay." Because guess what, if he is gay, it doesn't matter. And if he isn't gay, it also doesn't matter. If he and Blake are both bi and have an open relationship... it also doesn't matter. If they are both asexual and don't actually have sex with anyone and all their kids were IVF... it also doesn't matter.

A person's sexuality is a private matter that is none of your business and is not relevant to whether you side for or against them in a lawsuit or like them as a person. Is Baldoni secretly gay? Jamey Heath? Sarowitz? It truly does not matter, it has zero bearing on anything, leave it alone.

It matters if their open marriage played a role in the dynamics between them and Justin. Pretending that these arrangements don’t exist is actually more homophobic in my opinion because we’re treating it as too taboo to talk about.

+1. Not just the open marriage part, the part where this D-list nobody who can’t act still has this totally undeserved career at nearly 40 years old, seemingly only because she’s married to this guy. And then she has him risking his own reputation and all of his Hollywood clout defending her hoax. It feels like a mutually assured destruction situation.

The amount of fantasy and speculation in this comment... you are inventing these scenarios in your head.

Did you know it's possible to defend Baldoni and reject Blake's narrative while sticking to known facts in the legal pleadings, or things that are accepted public knowledge? Why not just do that?

It actually undermines your argument when you go off on these speculative tangents like "oh Blake was in love with Baldoni and Ryan found out and flew into a jealous rage and that's why they did this" or "oh Ryan is actually a closet homosexual and this is a marriage of convenience and now he's going to divorce her and hook up with Hugh Jackman," you don't convince anyone of anything. You just sound crazy.

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Blake to Justin “ if you knew me (in person) longer you’d have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball busting will play. It’s my love language. Spicy and playfully bold, never with teeth.” Justin responds by reminding her he has a wife “sorry was just crying my eyes out, wife and kids are leaving again for 5 weeks.”

Blake to Justin “I’m just pumping in my trailer if you want to come run lines”. Justin deflects again “eating with the crew.”

We see a similar pattern during the dance scene where JB brings up his wife to put some distance between them.

My husband would flip if I was texting these kinds of things to another man, but that’s because we’re not in an open marriage.

The way some of you are putting your heads in the sand is what’s crazy.

You are taking your narrow personal experience and imposing it on people who lead very different kinds of lives from you. Blake was talking about a scene where she and Baldoni are portraying two people falling in love. She's not discussing TPS reports. Their job involves simulating sex on camera and kissing each other. It's a different setting than whatever you do for a living.

There is nothing sexual about pumping milk, it's like the least sexy thing a woman can do unless you have a cow fetish.

Justin repeatedly told Blake he could commune with her dead dad. That also super weird and inappropriately personal, but I don't think it means he was hitting in her. I think he's just a woo woo Hollywood type and that's how he talks to people.

You guys just like reading into things but that doesn't make it true.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because I think a lot of her texts and comments to him were inappropriate, especially given how she portrays herself now in her complaint where every little thing is offensive to her. Even the pumping, a more appropriate text would’ve been “Do you want to run some lines in my trailer? Just a heads up that I’m pumping. Hope that’s ok?” Why was she assuming he’d be ok with that?

Obviously telling someone you are pumping is notice that you... are pumping. If he doesn't feel comfortable with that, he doesn't have to come. But also you can pump fully clothed -- I used to pump at work all the time and it was not a boobs out situation at all (as I would not have felt comfortable with that even in my office with the door closed). I wore a cover and did it discreetly. It's just not a come on at all.

I also don't get how the email with "never with teeth" is a come on either, to be honest. She's obviously talking about how she would play the scene in character, and discussing her strengths as an actor. She's referring to how she wants the scene to play for an audience, not how she wants the scene to make Justin feel. And she's telling him he will be happy with her performance, as a director. She's using bawdy language but that's incredibly common among performers -- I have friends who work in theater and film/tv and this is just how many of them talk. I would feel differently if she were referencing her own body or his, but she's just using figurative language to describe how she wants the scene to play for an audience.

If that’s how she talks, how do you square that with some of the things in her complaint like her being offended that he called her outfit sexy or that Heath showed her a video of a woman giving birth. It simply doesn’t make sense.

DP (who also disagrees with you). Lovely’s language was never personal. You don’t see her texting him that he’s so hot, or is so attractive, or that he was so hot in that scene it really got to her personally etc. Her language was bawdy but not personal. That’s why when his language WAS personal, it threw her off. Maybe he misunderstood and thought that any woman who used language like that was of course going to be “loose” and want a come on from him, or to be told she was sexy and smelled good etc. But while Lively uses bawdy language as a kind of joke, to express herself in a funny way, she is actually pretty prudish about how much closeness and personal sharing she actually wants from other people like Baldoni. She doesn’t want to hear about or see their porn. She doesn’t want them sharing with the crew her own non-exposure to porn like it’s something to be made fun of. She doesn’t want you talking about her dead dad.

Baldoni misunderstood Lively’s bawdy language as intimacy, and it was not, it was just humor. She was joking, and wanted him at arms length, whereas he kept trying to relate to her personally, which she didn’t want.

PP again, and honestly her language and Reynolds’s is very Deadpool. Talk about something using sex metaphors to be funny, but that doesn’t mean they want to have sex with everything the at moves. They have both lived that movie’s humor for the last decade; Reynolds’s co-wrote it and Lively had some input, too. Some of you here haven’t seen Deadpool or don’t like that humor and that’s fine. But I like those movies and that’s part of why I’m not shocked by her language, but also don’t see it as a come on. Baldoni is Bahai and seems like the kind of conservative person who would actually misunderstand and get the wrong idea from this language.

I would never write to a mail co-worker and talk about intimacy "but never with teeth" because it is an inappropriate sexual innuendo. Are you suggesting that Baldoni should go along with Hee inappropriate sexual innuendo in honor of "Deadpool"?

No. What he’s not allowed to do in response to “never with teeth” used as a metaphor is to actually talk to her about his porn, or to tell her all normal women rip their clothes off during childbirth and then try to make her shoot a birth scene with bared breasts without notice.

See how there’s a difference between what she uses her language to say and what he uses his power to do?

Except didn't shoot a birth scene with bared breasts. Bye.

I said try. Which is exactly what he did (he wanted her to shoot the birth scene with no top!), which she would not agree to, and so he even kept trying to insist on after the scene was shot. Bye.

It's a creative environment. Suggestions are fine.

The scene was already shot. At that point it wasn't a suggestion anymore. They just wanted Blake to watch the video so they tried to show it to her without even telling her what it was first. Which is weird.

Agree, it’s weird. But it’s not porn. It’s also not sexual harassment.

And while we’re calling things out, when a black man pulls out something on his phone to show you something and you immediately assume it is porn, that is racist. Especially when you’ve had a plantation wedding and had a lifestyle brand based on the antebellum south.

Just as long as we’re talking optics here.

No one, including Blake, is alleging the birth video is porn. Her complaint clearly states that she and her assistant initially *thought* they were being shown porn because they saw a dim video with a woman who appeared to be naked with her legs spread. Heath then explained that it was his wife's birth video. Blake does not say the birth video was porn.

And yeah, if a guy started showing me a dimly lit video of a naked woman, I would probably think it was porn if I had no other context. That seems totally reasonable. Why on earth didn't Heath ask first? It is insane to me that he didn't.

It is sexual harassment to show a colleague nude videos of your wife without your colleague's prior consent, and then to call your colleague "weird" for not being eager to see this video, especially if this is just one of a number of incidents involving surprise nudity and violations of consent in the workplace.

Dp. No other context? Hmm other than she’s an actress being paid $3m to play a role where she’s in an intimate relationship? That seems like context to me. Unless she’s literally brain dead.

So if an actress agrees to portray a character who is "in an intimate relationship," she is de facto consenting to being shown video of naked women whenever the director or a producer decides they want to do so, even if she's on a break?

Uh, go run that by an employment lawyer and then come back and tell me what they say. For fun.

There are multiple employer lawyers who have chimed in and said her SH claims suck.