Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to Israel's violations of International law ( the illegal settlement expansions, torture of Palestinians in custody( including Medical Doctors), use of starvation as a weapon of war,

The US Senate Intelligence Committee owes a duty to the American people to summon, hold hearings and fully bring to the attention of all Tax paying Americans as well as families of 9/11 victims, the role Israel might have played in obstructing the sharing of critical Sudanese Intel on OBL both prior to the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Kenya and 9/11.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2002/01/osama200201

The Mukhabarat chief tried for 4 years from 1997- 2001 to pass on critical intel on Bin Laden's connections and plans but US Dept of State ( Albright ) repeatedly obstructed the FBI's going to Sudan to examine the Mukhabarat Intel files on OBL- when there was still time to prevent 9/11.

It must be publicly aired that the source of the false Intel telling US Dept of State, to disregard Sudan's Intel , is the one country that would benefit from the American response to repeated attacks against it ( 1998 Embassies, the Cole and finally 9/11) - what one country wants the US to fight it's enemies for it : Israel .

What one country would US Dept of State and CIA have a blind eye to the motives of : Israel.

Not our Ally, imho- but lets open all the files referenced in this Vanity Fair Article, in addition to why Sandy Berger stole the primary source records from the National Archives.

Public Hearings on faulty Intel on Sudan deliberately passed to US prior to 9/11 and whether that false Intel was deliberately seeded by Israel so that we would eventually declare war on all of their perceived enemies

Nope. The U.S. government doesn't have to do any of this, and will not.

Here we go again with the Chosen People guy. The “what do you want us to do about it?” guy. The “just because you want something doesn’t mean the U.S. has to change for you” guy. The promised land guy. The “IDF are the heroes of Gaza because their humanitarian mission is saving them from Hamas” guy.

And you are a guy.

World is made up of guys (and gals)

Groundbreaking revelation.

All these guys and girls have thoughts and ruminations.

You have a lot of thoughts! Are yours the only ones that matter? Nope. They actually may be of no importance, or even wrong.

There's a difference - you DESPERATELY want the status quo to persist because it absurdly, unfairly has benefited the State of Israel for 75 years. You're afraid of accountability in Israel. You're fearful of the U.S. (which is not even your country, by the way) gradually shifting its FP posture and finally forcing Israel to face accountability for its conduct on the world stage. Basically you've lulled yourself into believing that the free pass (and free lunch) that Israel has been provided on the basis of what occurred in WWII would never come to an end. That the holocaust guilt that has been plastered over everyone, not just Europe, would be the "Get out of jail free" card that Israel and scumbags like Mileikowsky and Smotrich and Ben Gvir could count on forever.

You fool.

Everything comes to an end. Did you really think this malignancy would be allowed to go on forever and ever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to Israel's violations of International law ( the illegal settlement expansions, torture of Palestinians in custody( including Medical Doctors), use of starvation as a weapon of war,

The US Senate Intelligence Committee owes a duty to the American people to summon, hold hearings and fully bring to the attention of all Tax paying Americans as well as families of 9/11 victims, the role Israel might have played in obstructing the sharing of critical Sudanese Intel on OBL both prior to the 1998 US Embassy bombings in Kenya and 9/11.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2002/01/osama200201

The Mukhabarat chief tried for 4 years from 1997- 2001 to pass on critical intel on Bin Laden's connections and plans but US Dept of State ( Albright ) repeatedly obstructed the FBI's going to Sudan to examine the Mukhabarat Intel files on OBL- when there was still time to prevent 9/11.

It must be publicly aired that the source of the false Intel telling US Dept of State, to disregard Sudan's Intel , is the one country that would benefit from the American response to repeated attacks against it ( 1998 Embassies, the Cole and finally 9/11) - what one country wants the US to fight it's enemies for it : Israel .

What one country would US Dept of State and CIA have a blind eye to the motives of : Israel.

Not our Ally, imho- but lets open all the files referenced in this Vanity Fair Article, in addition to why Sandy Berger stole the primary source records from the National Archives.

Public Hearings on faulty Intel on Sudan deliberately passed to US prior to 9/11 and whether that false Intel was deliberately seeded by Israel so that we would eventually declare war on all of their perceived enemies

Nope. The U.S. government doesn't have to do any of this, and will not.

Here we go again with the Chosen People guy. The “what do you want us to do about it?” guy. The “just because you want something doesn’t mean the U.S. has to change for you” guy. The promised land guy. The “IDF are the heroes of Gaza because their humanitarian mission is saving them from Hamas” guy.

And you are a guy.

World is made up of guys (and gals)

Groundbreaking revelation.

All these guys and girls have thoughts and ruminations.

You have a lot of thoughts! Are yours the only ones that matter? Nope. They actually may be of no importance, or even wrong.

There's a difference - you DESPERATELY want the status quo to persist because it absurdly, unfairly has benefited the State of Israel for 75 years. You're afraid of accountability in Israel. You're fearful of the U.S. (which is not even your country, by the way) gradually shifting its FP posture and finally forcing Israel to face accountability for its conduct on the world stage. Basically you've lulled yourself into believing that the free pass (and free lunch) that Israel has been provided on the basis of what occurred in WWII would never come to an end. That the holocaust guilt that has been plastered over everyone, not just Europe, would be the "Get out of jail free" card that Israel and scumbags like Mileikowsky and Smotrich and Ben Gvir could count on forever.

You fool.

Everything comes to an end. Did you really think this malignancy would be allowed to go on forever and ever.

Wow you are so jealous. Israel has what you want, but that does mean a problem exists. I would love my neighbor's big back yard but that is not his or anyone else's problem. I need to find my happiness in another way. You do too. Or, start a war to get what you want, but acknowledge consequences. These are you only two options. Start a war, or be happy with life. But just wanting really really hard for a change, and telling people on social media over and over again, and saying "Israel bad!" "Look Isreal bad" "see here, Israel bad!" isn't going to cut it. People can see through propaganda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

The ‘Vlad’ here screams senile boomer!

[Anonymous]

New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

The ‘Vlad’ here screams senile boomer!

Plenty of this on the Ukraine thread too. There is clearly someone obsessed with Putin, using “you must be a Russian troll” in lieu of legit arguments. Maybe it’s a bunch of people, idk

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

The ‘Vlad’ here screams senile boomer!

Gee - I hadn't figured Vlad to be a senile boomer but I guess it'd make sense since the younger Vlads have been getting shipped off to the Ukraine meatgrinder and not coming back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

The ‘Vlad’ here screams senile boomer!

Plenty of this on the Ukraine thread too. There is clearly someone obsessed with Putin, using “you must be a Russian troll” in lieu of legit arguments. Maybe it’s a bunch of people, idk

The constant language mistakes on the anti-Ukraine and anti-Israel threads scream posts by foreign, non-native English speakers. Some of it's obvious, some more subtle but there's a few other tells too. If it's a bunch of people it's weird that they all make the same mistakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Massacre’: Israel forces attack crowds waiting for aid in Gaza, killing 21
Palestinian officials call latest assault ‘premeditated’ as people seeking humanitarian supplies increasingly targeted.

At least 21 Palestinians have been killed after Israeli forces opened fire on thousands of people waiting for aid in Gaza City in the same area that was targeted hours earlier, government officials said.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza described the late Thursday attack as a “new, premeditated massacre” and said more than 150 people were wounded.

Witnesses told Al Jazeera that Israeli forces had used helicopters, tanks and drones to target thousands of people waiting on food trucks.

It was the latest in a string of assaults on people desperately in need of food and other essential supplies as Israel continues to obstruct and severely control the entry of aid into the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/15/massacre-israel-forces-attack-crowds-waiting-for-aid-in-gaza-killing-21

Israel needs to be pay for these crimes.

Be pay? Your grammar is slipping, Vlad.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-palestinian-gunmen-killed-gazans-waiting-for-aid-army-did-not-fire/

The ‘Vlad’ here screams senile boomer!

Plenty of this on the Ukraine thread too. There is clearly someone obsessed with Putin, using “you must be a Russian troll” in lieu of legit arguments. Maybe it’s a bunch of people, idk

You missed this part, which was the legit argument.

Anyhow, it looks like that latest attack on a humanitarian convoy was not IDF and in fact IDF has aerial video footage showing armed Hamas on the ground firing guns in the midst of the crowd. Yet another Hamas lie. Yet another thing IDF was falsely blamed for.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-probe-pales...d-army-did-not-fire/

Funny that you are so knee-jerk defensive about being called a foreign troll that you totally missed it. Gee now I wonder why someone who supposedly isn't a foreign troll would be so fast to try and deflect away from that rather than actually speaking to the legit argument. Not that there's much that you can actually say about the legit argument either, given the video showing armed Hamas militia on the ground firing their guns amidst the scrambling crowd. So, ultimately you lose on both points. You should have stayed in bed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

Just like there’s no reason why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

Just like there’s no reason why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, right?

Well if that is your idea...it is like noses everyone has them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

Just like there’s no reason why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, right?

Well if that is your idea...it is like noses everyone has them.

But if enough noses have had enough? Then what? Go on - say it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

Just like there’s no reason why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, right?

Well if that is your idea...it is like noses everyone has them.

But if enough noses have had enough? Then what? Go on - say it.

That is a theoretical possibility that the U.S. government will abandon Israel. It is a theoretical possibity that we will see the U.K. as an enemy and seek to overthrow it. It is a theoretical possibility that we will go to war with Argentina, anything is possible in idea land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:New to the thread.
Of course we all understand that politics is not based on good guys vs bad guys.
Israel was strategically important for the U.S. and that’s why so much money was being spent on it (and is). Plus of course The Lobby.
However the U.S. needs to do an audit and reevaluate the significance of Israel as a geopolitical partner, plus investigate into all the lobbyists and their motives. And then reevaluate its support of the state of Israel.
The handwringing re: antisemitism, Holocaust and such is not really working anymore. Yes it was bad, yes Israel deserves to exist, but it doesn’t automatically mean the U.S. owes Israel unconditional support.

But no reason why we cannot continue to support Israel. Status quo doesn't need to change just because you open your mouth

Just like there’s no reason why the U.S. must continue to support Israel, right?

Well if that is your idea...it is like noses everyone has them.

But if enough noses have had enough? Then what? Go on - say it.

That is a theoretical possibility that the U.S. government will abandon Israel. It is a theoretical possibity that we will see the U.K. as an enemy and seek to overthrow it. It is a theoretical possibility that we will go to war with Argentina, anything is possible in idea land.

Maybe you're right - maybe the U.S. will never re-evaluate its relationship with Israel, and maybe we will still be paying Israel's bills and obstructing efforts to hold Israel accountable on the world stage. After all, look at history! Nothing ever changes under the sun, right?