Gaza War, Part 3

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Noticing that the pro-Palestine side of this thread seems to drop to complete silence for hours and hours on end. Followed by a rapid succession of posts scrambling to try and "reassert dominance" - classic

I think this thread is stating to die out. At this point, everything that people wanted to say has been said and then some.

We are all just waiting for the ceasefire to finally come to fruition if it even comes .

This, plus to me the pro Israel posters who continue to stand with Israel’s action are just not people you can have a rational exchange of relevant ideas with. No, I am not a Russian troll. I just am pretty sickened that they cannot even acknowledge that damage Israel has caused and all they are to discuss is the harm they’ve suffered. Plus, they can’t even seem to recognize and express sorrow for that harm that Israel has caused and is still causing.

100k dead and missing Palestinians way out weigh the harm on their side (which is horrible too, I’m not excising Hamas)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

Honestly, I’m not seeing how Netanyahu leaving really changes anything. For those of you who think this would bring peace - how?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

Honestly, I’m not seeing how Netanyahu leaving really changes anything. For those of you who think this would bring peace - how?

Ben Gvir and Smotrich would also leave.

[Anonymous]

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At a large pro-Palestinian student and faculty protest at Columbia University in New York City on Friday, two Zionists sprayed students with something resembling a chemical weapon called “Skunk.” Both individuals, who were wearing fake keffiyehs, have been identified as Columbia General Studies students and former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers.

The attack took place during an event—“Hands off Yemen and Gaza! No more tuition for the war machine”—that was organized by the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) chapters at Columbia University outside the Low Library. Despite freezing temperatures and a systematic campaign of intimidation targeting opponents of the state policy of genocide in Gaza, the protest drew around 300 participants. ..

.. A Columbia student present at the protest told the World Socialist Web Site, “The people who did this were Columbia students who served in the IDF. This was premeditated and done with the aim to hurt students. Columbia needs to take immediate action. This behavior is unacceptable on a college campus.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/22/lfsy-j22.html

Truth comes out. These “students” or really IDF thugs need their identity and address release to the public. Hopefully Columbia will expel these thugs and band anyone who is involved with the IDF. These people are terrorists. Could you imagine what would have happened if Palestinians had did this?

Give me a break. There is SO much dubious info in this article - starting with the site itself, "World Socialist Web Site" - a far left tankie propaganda rag.

And then it says PROTESTERS WERE ATTACKED!!!!1!!! - ehh sounds like someone used skunk spray, so what. The protesters in Lafayette Square suffered far worse treatment when Trump wanted to have his bible photo op.
And then it claims it was done by "two former IDF soldiers" - ehh unnamed suspects, and with no source of this alleged info... and given that all Israelis are, unless specifically exempted, are required to serve that means most adult Israelis are "former IDF soldiers" making that label pretty meaningless in context even if it turned out to be true.
And then it says "wearing fake keffiyehs" - uhhhhwhat? There's no such thing as a "fake keffiyeh" - a keffiyeh is a keffiyeh, they are cheap and readily available and anyone can buy and wear one..
... and so on... That article is a total joke.

The attack cannot be trivialized. If you don't like WSWS, there are plenty of other sources that report the same information. The "fake keffiyehs" means the IDF students slyly used a disguise to get close to the targeted students. "Skunk" doesn't just smell bad; it is a chemical weapon that can make people sick. Several students had to go to the hospital, and some complained of long-lasting effects. Obviously, violence of this sort is unacceptable, and the aggressors need to be disciplined. Two of the culprits have been identified as former IDF soldiers who are taking General Studies classes.

Sorry, but that didn't substantively change anything relative to my prior rebuttal of the WSWS article. Don't bother trying again.

So you'd be perfectly happy if former Palestinian militants wearing yarmulkes sprayed you with a chemical weapon that sent you to the hospital with vomiting, skin rashes, temporary blindness, a terrible headache, and difficulty breathing? You'd be a good sport about the whole thing and deny being attacked? You'd grin and bear it because protestors were treated worse at Lafayette Square? There wouldn't be a squeak out of you about antisemitic violence? OK. Would you mind if I sprayed you with skunk to see how this works out? Thanks. It'll be an interesting experiment.

The article
- provides no concrete proof of who the people involved were, much less that they were "former IDF soldiers" or that they had "disguised themselves with fake keffiyehs"
- provides no concrete proof of the events as claimed
- provides no concrete proof of the alleged chemical weapon or its impacts

And again, the source is extremely questionable.

So your entire crap conclusion about "so you'd be perfectly happy if..." is not even on sound footing to begin with.

You trivialized this as a non-attack, so it's fair to ask if you'd be perfectly happy to be a victim of the same thing. You can't weasel out of that one.

Two of the culprits have been identified and banned from campus. At least one (in an orange jacket) was caught on video wearing a keffiyeh that allowed him to get close to his victims. They have been identified by numerous other students as former IDF soldiers. You can't pretend this didn't happen. https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1655130

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

At a large pro-Palestinian student and faculty protest at Columbia University in New York City on Friday, two Zionists sprayed students with something resembling a chemical weapon called “Skunk.” Both individuals, who were wearing fake keffiyehs, have been identified as Columbia General Studies students and former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers.

The attack took place during an event—“Hands off Yemen and Gaza! No more tuition for the war machine”—that was organized by the Students for Justice in Palestine (SJP) and Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) chapters at Columbia University outside the Low Library. Despite freezing temperatures and a systematic campaign of intimidation targeting opponents of the state policy of genocide in Gaza, the protest drew around 300 participants. ..

.. A Columbia student present at the protest told the World Socialist Web Site, “The people who did this were Columbia students who served in the IDF. This was premeditated and done with the aim to hurt students. Columbia needs to take immediate action. This behavior is unacceptable on a college campus.”

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/01/22/lfsy-j22.html

Truth comes out. These “students” or really IDF thugs need their identity and address release to the public. Hopefully Columbia will expel these thugs and band anyone who is involved with the IDF. These people are terrorists. Could you imagine what would have happened if Palestinians had did this?

Give me a break. There is SO much dubious info in this article - starting with the site itself, "World Socialist Web Site" - a far left tankie propaganda rag.

And then it says PROTESTERS WERE ATTACKED!!!!1!!! - ehh sounds like someone used skunk spray, so what. The protesters in Lafayette Square suffered far worse treatment when Trump wanted to have his bible photo op.
And then it claims it was done by "two former IDF soldiers" - ehh unnamed suspects, and with no source of this alleged info... and given that all Israelis are, unless specifically exempted, are required to serve that means most adult Israelis are "former IDF soldiers" making that label pretty meaningless in context even if it turned out to be true.
And then it says "wearing fake keffiyehs" - uhhhhwhat? There's no such thing as a "fake keffiyeh" - a keffiyeh is a keffiyeh, they are cheap and readily available and anyone can buy and wear one..
... and so on... That article is a total joke.

The attack cannot be trivialized. If you don't like WSWS, there are plenty of other sources that report the same information. The "fake keffiyehs" means the IDF students slyly used a disguise to get close to the targeted students. "Skunk" doesn't just smell bad; it is a chemical weapon that can make people sick. Several students had to go to the hospital, and some complained of long-lasting effects. Obviously, violence of this sort is unacceptable, and the aggressors need to be disciplined. Two of the culprits have been identified as former IDF soldiers who are taking General Studies classes.

Sorry, but that didn't substantively change anything relative to my prior rebuttal of the WSWS article. Don't bother trying again.

So you'd be perfectly happy if former Palestinian militants wearing yarmulkes sprayed you with a chemical weapon that sent you to the hospital with vomiting, skin rashes, temporary blindness, a terrible headache, and difficulty breathing? You'd be a good sport about the whole thing and deny being attacked? You'd grin and bear it because protestors were treated worse at Lafayette Square? There wouldn't be a squeak out of you about antisemitic violence? OK. Would you mind if I sprayed you with skunk to see how this works out? Thanks. It'll be an interesting experiment.

The article
- provides no concrete proof of who the people involved were, much less that they were "former IDF soldiers" or that they had "disguised themselves with fake keffiyehs"
- provides no concrete proof of the events as claimed
- provides no concrete proof of the alleged chemical weapon or its impacts

And again, the source is extremely questionable.

So your entire crap conclusion about "so you'd be perfectly happy if..." is not even on sound footing to begin with.

You trivialized this as a non-attack, so it's fair to ask if you'd be perfectly happy to be a victim of the same thing. You can't weasel out of that one.

Two of the culprits have been identified and banned from campus. At least one (in an orange jacket) was caught on video wearing a keffiyeh that allowed him to get close to his victims. They have been identified by numerous other students as former IDF soldiers. You can't pretend this didn't happen. https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1655130

So I guess Columbia sucks for Jews and pro Palestinians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

Honestly, I’m not seeing how Netanyahu leaving really changes anything. For those of you who think this would bring peace - how?

Ben Gvir and Smotrich would also leave.

The vast majority of Israelis think Bibi is too soft and caves to Americans pressure. If Bibi leaves a new government can be formed that better aligns with Israel’s political, religious and moral values. No more holding back and pretending to care about the liberals, anti settlement talk, pro Hamas Biden, Palestinians children killed and the US democrats.

[Anonymous]

Would Schumer have made the same speech if this war was conducted in the same way by PM Benny Gantz, or before that Ehud Barak? The objection is that Netanyahu is a conservative who opposes Israel's socialist policies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

Honestly, I’m not seeing how Netanyahu leaving really changes anything. For those of you who think this would bring peace - how?

Ben Gvir and Smotrich would also leave.

The vast majority of Israelis think Bibi is too soft and caves to Americans pressure. If Bibi leaves a new government can be formed that better aligns with Israel’s political, religious and moral values. No more holding back and pretending to care about the liberals, anti settlement talk, pro Hamas Biden, Palestinians children killed and the US democrats.

He once offered to give the Golan Heights back to Syria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What a disgusting day in American history. When an anti-Semite stands in the US Senate and questions the ability of Israelis to democratically elect their own leaders, it’s a sad day. When the same anti-Semite calls for regime change in the single Jewish Country in the world, and instead of immediate condemnation, the increasingly radical Democratic base cheers him on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/03/14/israel-elections-netanyahu-charles-schumer/

As a Jew, I am highly critical of Bebe. But anti-Semite Schumer just guaranteed I never vote for another politician with a (D) behind their name again. The (D) might as well stand for Hamas at this point.

Netanyahu is the one who stands for Hamas. Isn’t he the anti Semite? He’s the one who ignored Hamas for years, and ignored the multiple warnings about 10/7 ?

Most of Israel agrees with Schumer and wants him gone . This is a guy who was facing corruption charges /jail time even before 10/7 for unrelated matters . Is Netanyahu really the guy people want to rally around? He had enough time as PM in Israel and it was a failure. He let Hamas grow to beyond wealthy and reasonable capacity to even find or fight , and he alienated the biggest Israel ally; the United States .

Honestly, I’m not seeing how Netanyahu leaving really changes anything. For those of you who think this would bring peace - how?

Ben Gvir and Smotrich would also leave.

The vast majority of Israelis think Bibi is too soft and caves to Americans pressure. If Bibi leaves a new government can be formed that better aligns with Israel’s political, religious and moral values. No more holding back and pretending to care about the liberals, anti settlement talk, pro Hamas Biden, Palestinians children killed and the US democrats.

Are you saying that Smotrich and Ben Gvir are represent mainstream Israeli values?

Bibi and the ultra-right haven't been holding back. They tried to intentionally starve 2 million people. You can't get more evil than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would Schumer have made the same speech if this war was conducted in the same way by PM Benny Gantz, or before that Ehud Barak? The objection is that Netanyahu is a conservative who opposes Israel's socialist policies.

If Gantz, Barak or anyone else tried to intentionally starve people as part of a deliberate political strategy then yes they too would be criticized in the same way.

Bibi's not even a conservative. You can't get more socialist than completely subsidizing the Haredi lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Ironic quotes given that Israel has been using OUR money to interfere in US elections for decades.

THIS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would Schumer have made the same speech if this war was conducted in the same way by PM Benny Gantz, or before that Ehud Barak? The objection is that Netanyahu is a conservative who opposes Israel's socialist policies.

I think Schumers gripe is that there’s a war at all. It’s due to Netanyahu aiding and abetting Hamas over his counterpart in the West Bank, then Turning a blind eye to multiple warnings of a Hamas planned attack. The Kibbutz residents said they saw Gazans scaling the wall this summer and heard gunshots and that never ever happens . They were practicing all summer for this and they warned the proper authorities but they did nothing about it.

The IDF and most of Israel isn’t happy to go to war despite what some on the left believe. Netanyahus war conduct wouldn’t differ from any other Israeli PM tbh including the more liberal Gantz or Barak. It’s just the fact that a war is even necessary and Israel was attacked falls completely on Netanyahu.

The Israelis are not like the Americans who gave Bush the highest approval ratings ever after 9/11 (Grace that wasn’t deserved at all since he was summering at his ranch the entire time he got memo after memo that a terror attack with planes was coming in the fall).

[Anonymous]

In Gaza, there are no more 'normal-sized babies'

A UN official returning from Rafah reports in a news conference on Friday that doctors no longer see any normal sized babies. Instead there is a dramatic increase of malnourished newborns and stillborn births, as well as women undergoing c-sections without sufficient anesthetic.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240315-in-gaza-there-are-no-more-normal-sized-babies-un-official

[Anonymous]

Good article in the wapo about the thousands and thousands of missing people in Gaza.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/16/gaza-missing-war-israel-detained/

[Anonymous]

I’m glad to see you’re interested in “missing people.” #bringthemhome